mcginnis and david zusi. what's your opinion about what happened here? >> well, victor, with sa-11 undisputably within the hands of the separatists and they're out of control of russian and ukrainian air defense capabilities and monitoring radar. and, of course, over the last week, we've had at least three downings of aircraft by separatists, according to the president's statement yesterday, that it would appear as if this was mistakenly identified, the flight 17 by separatists and therefore, engaged. and certainly within the capability of a surface-to-air missile 11 by separatists who probably have been trained or perhaps deserted the ukrainian side and understands how to use the weapon, it was engaged. now, important the people's republic of donetsk, the separatist regime there, gave the order.