election defense fund that never existed and how he repeated his own top officials, even as they investigated one wild fraud allegation after another and found nothing. he said dead people are voting, indians are getting paid to vote and he meant people on native american reservations. he said there s lots of fraud going on here. there were instances where the president would say people are telling me this or i heard this or i saw on television this impropriety in atlanta and we were in a position to say people already looked at that, you re getting bad information, that s not correct. i told hmm the stuff his people were shoveling out to the public were [ bleep ]. right now i want to bring in jonathan lemire, paul butler, barbara mcquade, great to have this all-star panel. ali, i think there s a pretty clear through line here all about the fact that the president was told over and over that the allegations of fraud didn t hold up and he went out and spread them anywa
declare victory, trump goes out and does it and he s basically repeated it every day since, does that play in any way to criminal culpablity? absolutely. the person who gave trump this biography idea was a drunk, washed up lawyer when his campaign manager told him it was too early to declare victory but trump did it anyway. we heard evidence from all of these eyewitnesses that trump didn t care about facts or evidence. the committee clearly believes that there was criminal intent, that trump knew the big lie was a big lie, but he didn t care. and it has lots of circumstantial evidence to support that claim. but, chris, what we have not heard yet is an admission from donald trump. the evidence is incriminating but so far there s no smoking gun. but we know that s how trump has traditionally operated. he doesn t like to leave his own dirty fingerprints.
defense. one thing that is also going to be helpful to the defense is the expert. this expert testified following the motion practice, there are mistakes. that are called slip and capture. your mind thinks you are acting in a certain way and you are not. it s something the prosecutors said is junk science and has no reliability. the judge was not swayed by those arguments and allowed the expert to testify. very effectively about this concept. it goes back to there is no criminal culpablity then. officer potter believed she had the taser in her hand. said it 3 times. even after discharging she thought she had the taser in her
where do we go next? yeah, i mean we have to have a conversation, and that may be one of the good things that has come out of this. i think people are going to talk about race relations, they are going to talk about stand your ground. they are going to talk about how is it that in 2013, you have someone able to profile a young teenager, follow them, pursue them, make all the wrong aassumptions, because let s remember that all of the assumptions were wrong, and not be culpable in any way shape or form. you have someone like michael vick who was put in jail for dog fighting. you have people that were put in jail for tax evasion, you have people put in jail for shooting themselves in the leg. but you have no culpablity here and i think that s a discussion that we have to have. and hopefully we will open up that dialog.
what did we do with this conversation? where do we go next? yeah, i mean we have to have a conversation, and that may be one of the good things that has come out of this. i think people are going to talk about race relations, they are going to talk about stand your ground. they are going to talk about how is it that in 2013, you have someone able to profile a young teenager, follow them, pursue them, make all the wrong aassumptions, because let s remember that all of the assumptions were wrong, and not be culpable in any way shape or form. you have someone like michael vick chowho was put in jail forg fighting. you have people that were put in jail for tax evasion, you have people put in jail for shooting themselves in the leg. but you have no culpablity here