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Parse that out. nicholas burns is here, also a former state department official. welcome, sir. thank you very much, carol. how serious it this? well, this is obviously a very serious situation. whenever you have the russian federation and turkey at loggerheads, it s very serious for them, serious for the u.s. i think the first thing the nato allies at nato headquarters will ascertain, the facts. the turks have maps and have video footage that certify the russian aircraft did enter turkish air space. if that is the case, and given the fact that russians violated the turkish air space twice in the last month, and russian drones have, i think the nato alliance, including the united states, is going to have to support the turks in defending their air space. at the same time, obviously president obama is not going to ....
Ten times within a period of five minutes, not to invade turkish air space. and when the russian warplane ignored those warnings, they open fire. that s right. but there s a couple questions here. the first is, who s responsible for the violation of air space? did the russians actually do that? i think the turks are putting two questions together that can t be together. if they violated air space by a couple of kilometers, in the midst of conversations with the russians about what the ultimate future is for syria and russia has to be part of the solution for syria, as a nato ally, do you want to go in taking down an aircraft despite the fact they have violated your air space? i think in public nato has to have a unified front. i think in private there have to be tough conversation wts turks saying, regardless of the russian provocation, let s not get too hot under the collar. we have bigger fish to deal with here. turkey released radar. and i want i want that put on the screen ri ....
Return their bodies to the homeland. i think there will be pressure by nato to say, cool it off, send the bodies home. so, president obama and the french president are meeting right now. so, what do you suppose i mean, i can guess what they might talk about first, but what do you suppose they ll say about it? i think they ve got to come out and say, look, the russians are provokinprovoking. we ve got to talk to the russians about deconfliction. i don t think they ll come out and say the turks were right to shut down the aircraft. this has to be part of the conversation today, but they have to discuss about what to do with information sharing across europe and the united states in the wake of the attacks in france. how to approach putin on a solution and how to intensify air strikes. they have a lot on their plate today and this just muddies the water. the hunt for france s ....
Information. they re going to tell all the other nato members the way they saw this incident unfold. the turks have been saying they believe that this russian fighter jet went into turkish air space, this was a violation of turkish air space, and that s why their jet retaliated. we know the russians have a very different view of that. at this point in time it will be the turks who are going to make their case to the other nato allies and tell them exactly what they believe what happened. now, of course, we also have to keep in mind, carol, there s a history to all this. the turks have been complaining for quite a while they say russian jets operating in syria have been violating their air space. there was already one emergency nato council meeting that took place because of that. this is about 1 1/2 months ago. back then the nato council put out a statement. i want to read part of that statement to you. we have to keep in mind, this is a statement from early october, the first time tha ....
Protest these violations of turkish sovereign air space and condemn these incursions and violations of nato air space. allies also note the extreme danger of such irresponsible behavior. they call on the russian federation to cease and desist and immediately explain these violations. we believe at the end of the meeting you ll see today, you ll also see some statement come out. of course, we do have to keep in mind this time, the stakes are so much higher. so, it will be interesting to see what s decided here at the end of the day. reporting live from brussels this morning. keep in mind, turkey says russia was warned ten times before it responded to an apparent air space violation. and that it responded with, quote, the framework of engagement rules. let s talk about this with cnn counterterrorism analyst phillip mudd, also a former cia counterterrorism official. welcome. thank you. so, the turks say they warn the these russian fighter pilots ....