same things. but we have a presumption of innocence in this country regarding people. you respect that. i respect it. so my point is that michael cohen has blown through that. he has admitted it. my point on the congressional hearings was there were a couple of ways to defend the president on the substance of what cohen said. no one did it. why? it was easy to me. i was on another network commenting on this. abc. it s my old home too. i said there were two things that came out from cohen that i think are helpful to the president. the first one is that he said there was not one reason for the stormy daniels payment but two and that the second reason beside the campaign was that the president didn t want melania to know and that he added to that tapestry by saying that he, in fact, lied to the first lady about what the purpose of that payment was. although the precedent from the case and it doesn t have to
leadership in your party. they have said nothing about this. they sat in that hearing yesterday beating cohen over the head with his own lack of credibility, fine. but cohen lied about all the same things that the president did. and they never said anything to defend him and they have never stood up to his lying. how can they keep their integrity? listen, i didn t think that it was a very good display yesterday. i watched all of the hearings. listen, i wouldn t have done it that way and what i said was, i think one or two people should have gone after michael cohen on his credibility. but let s face it, we know he s a liar. we know he s a cheat. we know he s a thief. he pled guilty to those things. how do any of those not apply to the president of the united states? heres the difference. the difference is cohen has admitted them in a court of law, under oath and pled guilty. but that s just the proof part. but that s the important part, chris. no it is. i can prove it rig
be. it could be some of the reasons. what you say is the southern district in new york isn t going to bring that kind of prosecution against the president after he leaves office because your best witness says there s two alternatives. it s a mixed bag. the defendant will say there s none. and cohen said i don t know if he knew what the e-mails were that roger stone told him about. right. i don t know that he knew that the meeting that his son took was with russians. i don t have any proof of collusion and i know that he would never hurt his wife. if cohen were there just to blow up the president, he wouldn t have said any of those things. i thought those were moments of credibility for michael. that doesn t change in essence who he is there. let me finish this one point is that nobody in the republican party was making those statements. so my point to you is if they re as much a slave of the president
but on important things like health care and iranian nuclear deal and a whole host of other things, previous presidents told lies. all this president has done this is not equal. it s not what aboutism. it s not equal. the volume of these lies. make your point and then have to go. i want you to make your point. the point i m trying to make is that we have a public who sees elected officials and presidents as people, they don t tell the truth all the time and so, you know, they don t see i understand you re upset with trump but i don t think the american public sees trump as being materially different than previous presidents. well, that will be the subject matter of an election and you know what, it should be. governor, thank you. rick, double thank you to you for what you said because not many speak truth to power these days on your side of the aisle and i appreciate it. thank you for coming on the show. so, speaking of speak your truth to power, things got very heated
are actual avenues for concern and what you are not concerned by going forward cohen et al, mueller, the white house has new reporting tonight saying they believe the special counsel guidelines give protections to the president. i want to go through that with your mind. but let me ask you this, as we go to break. i m sorry. excuse me. go ahead. don t fake cough me, governor. i ll watch you pass out. jared kushner, are you surprised that the people in the business of knowing and judging have questions about his background? no. do you think they are real questions? listen, i have faith in the fbi and the cia so i believe they re real questions. now they may not be unresolvable questions but i believe they re real questions, sure. i don t have any doubt about that. well, in many your party do. it s good to hear a different answer. let s take a break. when we come back, governor chris christie.