same things. >> but we have a presumption of innocence in this country regarding people. you respect that. i respect it. so my point is that michael cohen has blown through that. he has admitted it. my point on the congressional hearings was there were a couple of ways to defend the president on the substance of what cohen said. no one did it. >> why? >> it was easy to me. i was on another network commenting on this. >> abc. it's my old home too. >> i said there were two things that came out from cohen that i think are helpful to the president. the first one is that he said there was not one reason for the stormy daniels payment but two and that the second reason beside the campaign was that the president didn't want melania to know and that he added to that tapestry by saying that he, in fact, lied to the first lady about what the purpose of that payment was. >> although the precedent from the case and it doesn't have to