contribution to the creation. these plastics wash upon our shores, threaten the livelihoods of our people, hinder our tourism and fisheries industries among others, and suffocate our ecosystems. joining me now is david azule, environmental lawyer and director at the center for international environmental law in geneva, switzerland. a very warm welcome to cnn. thank you for giving us some of your time. you were, i understand, at these u.n.-led negotiations in paris, and i believe you led your organization of environmental lawyers at these talks. what are still some of the stumbling blocks that need to be overcome? what is still causing a lot of countries not to see eye to eye on this very important issue? well, good morning, and thanks for having me. i think there are quite a lot of questions that are still unresolved, and we re still quite early in the negotiation. part of the main rift is about how people see plastic pollution, whether it is a waste issue or whether it is a