predawn attack. the target, an apartment building hundreds of miles from the front lines. and abortion rights advocates score victories in the unlikeliest of places, attempts to impose new bans fall short in a pair of red states. are they one-offs or warning signs for the republican party? we start with federal prosecutors poring over hours of new testimony from vice president mike pence. one of the few people with firsthand knowledge about former president trump s efforts to block certification of the 2020 election. pence s testimony came less than a day after a judge rejected trump s last ditch effort to block it. i want to bring in nbc s ryan reilly who s been covering all of the developments for us. also nbc s vaughn hillyard with the former president and his supporters in manchester, new hampshire, brendan buck who served as an aide to republican house speakers paul ryan and john boehner, and an msnbc political analyst, and carol lamb is a federal former rather former federa
don t have a defense attorney. sometimes i imagine this took place yesterday as well the proceedings can be somewhat laborious. pence does still retain some privilege under the speech or debate clause for the role he played as a member of the senate, and we also don t know because it s all under seal what the court of appeals actually said with respect to how much he can say about his conversations with donald trump. it sounds like they have to pertain directly to the january 6th events. so he may have had to ask for permission to leave the grand jury room after many questions and consult with his attorneys. it can be a somewhat laborious process. so that may have that may be why seven hours of time it was probably whittled down in reality to a bit less in terms of actual testimony. that s a very good point you make, carol. what about you, vaughn? i d like to have you since you re there in new hampshire, what is the president saying about pence s testimony, and what are the
of more than half a billion dollars. republican strategist doug high is back with us along with carol lamb, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. if not $5 million, i don t know how much money lindell has, maybe that s like 10 bucks for you and me, but what is it going to take for some people to understand that the 2020 election was won by joe biden? well, for some they re never going to get there as our politics have gotten more tribal, we ve seen truth just not be accepted. we ve seen a breakdown in how we deal with each other societally, civilly and so forth that s part of the problem and for the republicans, they ve my pillowized themselves. we ve become a my pillow party you ve seen so often in the conservative movement, it s monetized. become a conservative and buy this pillow, stay at this hotel, buy these vitamins or sleep pills and all these other
congress now, prior to this subpoena, the committee had asked pomerantz to come and testify he had rejected that request now, the subpoena, i ll leave it to the legal minds to tell us just how how enforceable it actually is, but clearly this battle between thiscommittee and bragg is not quite over yet, guys. carol, is there any precedent for congress to investigate an active criminal case like this i m not aware of any precedent. this is really, really a mess, so with the subpoena to mark pomerantz, now of course is the fact that pomerantz wrote a book about the goings on at the d.a. s office in new york city, over the objections of the district attorney. that does open the door a bit to the fact that he s already made these allegations public and as jim jordan has noted, you ve already said these things
evaluating which one is the more important case obviously the cases that have to do most directly with our electoral system, our preservation of democracy, our preservation of the way things should run in this country with separation of powers and democracy, are the more important cases, but to a prosecutor, the best case, the most important case is the case that you can prevail on in court. appreciate the insight, carol lamb and dasha burns, thank you. next, major developments on both sides of the abortion debate in fmichigan, wisconsin, idaho, and florida, why this was such a consequential week for millions of women. plus, kansas just became at least the 20th state to ban trans athletes from joining certain sports teams how the biden administration is now wading into this issue and the reaction to their new guidance versus 16 grams in ensure® high protein. boost® high protein. now available in cinnabon® bakery-inspired flavor.