for example, the kansas state law says that these medications can only be provided if there is a physician in the room providing these drugs. so i do think that there has been an emboldened law enforcement effort here now that the dobbs decision did come down, and i do think that we are going to see more companies placed in this very difficult position. carol lamb, thank you so much for coming on the program as always, appreciate it. frustration and fury among residents in east palestine boils over during the most contentious town hall yet. the toxic chemical tests the epa is now demanding. we ve got a live report from ohio next. t from ohio next. the monster, the outlaw. and you can t forget about the boss. sometimes- you just want to eat your heroes. the subway series. the greatest menu of all time. i gotta good feeling about this, yeah the subway series. i m with it i gotta good feeling about this
is murdaugh s testimony believable? is he sympathetic? the question everyone wants to know, will it turn out to have been worth the risk. with me former federal prosecutor carol lamb, both are msnbc legal analysts. tally, talk a little bit about what you saw today and what is clearly the theory of how they re going to get him from the prosecution. well, so what we saw today and yesterday really, chris, is that murdaugh came in here to try to convince the jury of four things. one, that just because he s a liar doesn t mean that he s also a killer, and he tried to establish credibility with the jury by saying, yes, i know that i have lied to many people, defrauded many people. second, that he s trade to be cooperative because he really cares about finding out who killed his son and who killed
with some of the data that we have, this is usually not a good idea. there is actually some data that shows that you increase the chance of conviction if you take the stand in your own defense. you re giving up a lot of protection and a lot of rights and particularly in the cross examination you lose control. and we ve seen him lose control, and i think that the way to come back from that is to be as vulnerable as possible and to kind of lean into your humanity. i see him doing that some of the time and then he kind of gets hard again as we have heard. he reverts to lawyer speak. he seems angry, and i think that the jury is looking for those little flashes of anger that bubble up and make you ask is this a performance or is he being real. so how do you think he s doing so far, carol? hours and hours of testimony.
the prosecution trying to paint a picture of him as a liar. take a listen. every single client, i looked them in the eye, and i believe that the people that i stole money from for all those years trusted me. all of this the last time you saw your supposedly saw your wife and child, all of this detail, you as a lawyer and a prosecutor didn t think that was important to offer on your own? oh, i think it s important. you told this jury how cooperative you ve been and how much information you want to provide but you left out the most important parts, didn t you? i left out i left out that, i sure did. you don t consider that one of the most important parts? i think it s important. does it help him, does it mitigate, do you think, carol, to fess up to the things that he s lied about or left out?
today the prosecution dissecting his opioid addiction and digging into his financial fraud before turning to his whereabouts just moments before the murders including what he was doing minutes before he left for his mom s house. how do you remember so much detail about everything else, but you don t remember what you were specifically doing to generate 283 steps while you were making all these phone calls in the same four-minute period. i remember unequivocally without any doubt with as clear a mind as i could have at any time that i never manufactured any alibi in any way, shape, or form because i did not and would not hurt my wife and my child. on the line right now, how he spends the rest of his life, will it be behind bars or walking away as a free man. of course it always comes down to the jury and whether they find the prosecutor s theory of motive plausible.