welcome to our continued coverage. the new york criminal trial of former president donald trump. i m rachel maddow joined by my colleagues. also, lawrence o donnell is with us pick we are going to be joined by the star witness for the prosecution in this trial, michael cohen. he will speak to us exclusively. his first reaction to this verdict tonight. michael cohen will be joining us in one moment live. 4:20 p.m. p.m. and it is we, the jury have reached a verdict. 45 minutes later at 5:05 p.m. the jury was back in the courtroom and is seated. the defendant donald trump was seated as well. the judge addressed the four people. and the judge. without telling me the verdict, how s the jury? and yes, they have reached a verdict. take the verdict, please. with the foreperson please rise to the members of the jury agreed upon a verdict? yes. and how say you to the first count of the indictment, charging donald j trump with the crime of falsifying business records in the first degre
election. the way he responded to that is by creating an alternate universe in which he did not lose the election and the country is paying the price. three times. three times? losing in 2020, the new york attorney general case and now the 34 counts. the attorney general case with the massive penalty. you are right to point it out with the devastating nature of the blow in that case. hundreds of millions of dollars that he owes and now in this criminal case. he does not have the option to do it he did with losing the 2020 election. he does not have the option to say that didn t really happen. let s have an alternate universe in which the penalty did not happen, the liability did not happen and the criminal convictions did not happen. from your sense of how he moves through the world and deals with humiliation and failure, what do you think he has left to do that he can do in response to this that we should be prepared for? is going to blame everybody other than hims
potential recusal from justices alito and thomas which i know you have written about and advocated on strongly, what are you expecting from the supreme court in terms of the immunity ruling and what should the public understand about what impact that might have on this verdict today and other pending cases against trump? the main thing we can expect from it is delay and postponement. that is clearly the political logic that was operating when the supreme court didn t summarily affirm a brilliant d.c. circuit court bipartisan decision which held, of course, the president is not above the law. of course, the president cannot order out for assassinations and remain immune from prosecution so long as he s not impeached and convicted in the senate, something that has never happened in our history with our four impeachments that