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departments, and to make inroads into the backlog of care that built up into the backlog of care that built up and was building up before covid and built up a lot more during covid. that balancing act, meeting demand and making inroads into the backlog, is a tough thing to do it the best of times, it is impossible to do when you are losing around half your medical staff. so there is no question that the targets we have set for ourselves, the aims we have got to reduce those waiting lists are going to be dented by this and thatis are going to be dented by this and that is a real pity. because we had been making progress, we had got to the stage at the end of march where we massively reduced almost to zero the number of people waiting more than 18 months for example for a procedure. so it is kind of heartbreaking if you have been a leader in the health service, anyone in the health service, and you have got those waiting this down, you have got, achieve the balancing act ....
But equally from the govan perspective because we went through this process with the nurses, with the paramedics the government perspective. the government reviews for two or three months to negotiate and we had strikes which caused problems and then negotiation started and they were remarkably short and a deal was agreed which most of the union is now recommended to their members. so i think the question everybody is asking is, look, this is inevitably going to end up in a negotiation, so why can t wejust get end up in a negotiation, so why can t we just get on with it? and that s why the confederation, the organisation i lead has called today for both sides to contact the conciliation service acas who were involved in the last time there was a junior doctor strike, so they are the specialist, at least a basis for to start. , , ., ., , to start. just out of interest, would it take to start. just out of interest, would it take both to start. just out of interest, would it take b ....