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And he did that for quite a while, and it was most interesting. Host want to talk to you about out of order and the stories. One of the first stories you tell is that former chief justice john marshall, and thomas jefferson, were related, and did not like each other. Guest thats right. Isnt that amazing . Host what was their relationship . Guest cousins or something. And so it was amazing that they didnt like each other, and it was so difficult to manage. But they did. Host now, the marbury versus maddison case. What did that case establish. Guest i dont know that today we say much of anything. But host it established the guest the Supreme Court, and was with the other two and given a lot of credibility, which it needed. The court was still young and trying to be accepted in the country. As an equal voice for the other two branches. With the other two branches. Host one of the things you write in out of order is that marbury and madisons portraits hang in the justices private dining ro

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