a surge the last two years in 19 and 20 there was a surge, as well. this one might be worse. no, well, it could be. here is the deal. we re sending back people first of all, the idea that joe biden said come because i heard the other day that they re coming because i m a nice guy and i won t do you re saying this. yeah, here is the deal. they re not. do you have to say quite clearly don t come? yes, i can say quite clearly don t come and what we re in the process of getting set up, don t leave your town or city or community. more now from cnn phil mattingly who joins us. phil, does it seem like president biden is or the white house, do they grasp the severity of the situation on the boarder? i think white house officials do and you heard the president try to compare it to 2019 or 2020 and i think the reality is from his own homeland security secretary today they are seeing a surge they haven t seen in nearly two decades. it a significant problem. i think
That a businessman would have knowledge is limited in any when he is about to sign a transaction. But if you go after his integrity, right, if you go check. And by that he clearly meant after his public service, if you go after his military record, that President Trump was youre done. Thinking about or had in front but chuck, isnt there a high stakes problem with that, for of him the possibility of providing Security Assistance to trump and the republicans to say, because then the next question is, okay, who does know ukraine. It was similar to writing a check to someone who youre what trump said . Bolton and trump. About to send. He used that analogy very and they dont want those folks to come before congress. I absolutely agree. Im saying if there is a path to clearly to indicate that this try and point out that he has limited knowledge, thats the would be this would require path and its a narrow one. Something. If that person owed him does it ultimately work . No, it doesnt. Right.
in the presence of my staff at a restaurant. sondland called trump and told him of his meetings in kiev. the member of my staff would hear trump on the phone asking sondland about the investigation. the big bomb shell. taylor testifying that one of his staffers over heard a call. we learned something new. sondland had a direct phone call with the president. what president trump thought about ukraine. sondland responded trump cares more about the investigation of biden which giuliani was pressing for. taylor s bomb shell raised questions about the motivation of sondland. ambassador to the eu and million dollar trump donor. 48 hours later the staffer who told taylor of the call david holmes confirmed the account in close door testimony. i have obtained the opening statement from the aid. according to the testimony this
these claims were suspect. did he peddle false accusations against you as well as the bidens? yes, that is my understanding. we re back on our msnb special with a closer look at someone s whose name come up a lot in this week s hearings, rudy giuliani. the united states was undercut by the efforts led by mr. giuliani. i became increasingly aware by an effort of rudy giuliani and others. guided by mr. giuliani. mr. giuliani s efforts to gin politically motivated investigations. the investigations of biden which giuliani was pressing for. affecting u.s. engagement with ukraine. those key impeachment witnesses testifying about how giuliani was guiding this channel in proper dip employple.
and second of all, how the senate is very likely to split. that s just reality. let me play for you as well just on the substance one of the other revelations this week that after the famed phone call with ukraine the president was following up and was sort of literally dialing for dollars and still trying to get somlin to be his guy to hold back the money unless he got the election help he wanted. called president trump and told him of his meetings in kiev. a member of my staff could hear president trump on the phone asking the ambassador about the investigations. he told president trump the ukrainians were ready to move forward. following the call with president trump, the member of my staff asked ambassador somlin what president trump thought about ukraine. ambassador somlin said he cared more about the investigations of biden which giuliani was