i think that gives you some idea that many people here have had to rationalise risk in order to end up hear but i do think there is a sense that as long as there is a window of hope than many people are going to stay committed to their plan to get to the uk whatever the potential consequences might be. beth gardiner smith is the chief executive of the refugee charity safe passage uk. what this legislation does is really drive a coach and horses through the fundamental principle of the right to seek protection. in the refugee convention itself, essentially what the government is saying is to vulnerable refugees who, in most cases don t have time to flee with papers, don t have time to obtain a visa or the ability to obtain a visa to cross borders. they are effectively saying we will never give you protection, we will never
from sudanese man that we spoke to the said to me he would rather be in prison in the uk than free here in france. i think that gives you some idea that many people here have had to rationalise risk in order to end appear but i do think there is a sense that as long as there is a window of hope than many people are going to stay committed to their plan to get to the uk whatever the potential consequences might be. other european countries have also been grappling with a surge in migrant arrivals in recent years. for example italy received over 13,000 migrants on small boats in the first two months of this year alone. and last year, prime minister meloni was elected partly on a promise to reduce migrant arrivals. in terms of policy, italy taly has adopted a much tougher stance in recent months including making it harder for aid agencies to rescue migrants lost at sea. beth gardiner smith is the chief executive of the refugee charity safe passage uk. thank you for being with us. the