i think that gives you some idea that many people here have had to rationalise risk in order to end up hear but i do think there is a sense that as long as there is a window of hope than many people are going to stay committed to their plan to get to the uk whatever the potential consequences might be. beth gardiner smith is the chief executive of the refugee charity safe passage uk. what this legislation does is really drive a coach and horses through the fundamental principle of the right to seek protection. in the refugee convention itself, essentially what the government is saying is to vulnerable refugees who, in most cases don t have time to flee with papers, don t have time to obtain a visa or the ability to obtain a visa to cross borders. they are effectively saying we will never give you protection, we will never