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Transcripts for BBCNEWS Nicky Campbell 20240604 08:05:00

Position. that vladimir putin, to defend his position, has created several different position, has created several different organisations because he beiieves different organisations because he believes in divide and rule. interestingly, just over a week ago, one was interestingly, just over a week ago, one was starting to hear rumours that actually the reason why he was a leading that actually the reason why he was a leading promotion to get we were so much a leading promotion to get we were so much as a leading promotion to get we were so much as that secretly prigozhin was going so much as that secretly prigozhin was going to be his enforcer. that has proved was going to be his enforcer. that has proved to be rather untrue in the circumstances of what we ve seen of the the circumstances of what we ve seen of the last the circumstances of what we ve seen of the last dramatic two days. so, it is impossible to predict the future, it is impossible to predict the fut

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS Nicky Campbell 20240604 08:27:00

Was part of that kind of operation rescue my reputation, all about showing unity, showing the audience ukraine is an existential fight for russia that putin will continue to wage even though prigozhin has made so much criticism of the weight is being waged. he will knack and say russia as united, yet by me, i m your man but she has been damaged by this, and when you look at the commentary, westernersjumping on commentary, westerners jumping on this commentary, westernersjumping on this hoping it means a lot more than it actually does but people within russia who have been close to the kremlin, sympathetic to it, not anti kremlin voices, but are now asking questions and expressing doubts and worrying about the fragility of a regime they have been supporting and that they thought were strong, they thought represented stability and order and russian strength and might on the world stage. now they are also

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS Nicky Campbell 20240604 08:08:00

Small, relatively speaking, still huge i have to say, nuclear weapon explosion to demonstrate the reality of it, what through zapping et excited out, any rural area perhaps, butjust excited out, any rural area perhaps, but just to show resolve excited out, any rural area perhaps, butjust to show resolve and also, this was the main point about, to signal the seriousness of what russia is trying to do in ukraine and to tell all of the western countries to back of supporting ukraine, this was the idea. i have to say, there were some supporters of that in these circles, the academic circles, but also a lot of pushback along the lines of are you bonkers? ! you have no ideas where this will lead imagine x, y, and z will happen, so it was to see discussion but it keeps on coming up. i think this is the worry that we have, that people keep on talking about this. obviously trying to induce fear in western populations, which does not seem to be happening. but we have to factor in that

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS Nicky Campbell 20240604 08:12:00

One to you. what happened over the weekend? ,, . ., , , ., , weekend? i think what happened was priuozhin, weekend? i think what happened was prigozhin. this weekend? i think what happened was prigozhin, this great weekend? i think what happened was prigozhin, this great pretender, - prigozhin, this great pretender, this great blabbermouth was afraid that he was losing influence and power that his mercenary unit maxi was being marginalised, that his quys was being marginalised, that his guys were being forced to sign contracts with russia s ministry of defence and he rolled the dice, this astonishing thing, he invaded russia effectively seizing areas, trundled, sent his guys towards moscow and then back down after securing some kind of deal with vladimir putin. we don t know where prigozhin is, we don t know where prigozhin is, we don t know where prigozhin is, we don t know the nature of the deal beyond prigozhin supposedly going off to belarus, but what we do know is this was rea

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS Nicky Campbell 20240604 08:45:00

That either. but i don t believe, and i really strongly, you know, want to argue against the idea that this is some kind of ruse all stunned, that it was organised by putin with his knowledge and consent to flush out traitors, or that it was designed to confuse ukraine and get them to launch an overambitious counterattack. i think there is a lot of this conspiratorial thinking about, and i don t think that is true. this is terribly damaging for putin, it makes him look we d delude weak, and it is terribly bad for russian morale on the front. it makes him look weak. russian morale on the front. it makes him look weak. russian morale on the front. it makes him look weak. edward, in your art ument makes him look weak. edward, in your argument in makes him look weak. edward, in your argument in the makes him look weak. edward, in your argument in the times makes him look weak. edward, in your argument in the times today, - makes him look weak. edward, in your argument in the

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