that s us. awe thought s no jive. the jacksons were the last act from the classic mowtown hitsville system. motown was unique. record companies were run by businessmen. we had a music man at the helm. berry gordy. here he was trying his best to make black music that would cross over to the white world. enned up making the greatest black music ever. he create aid machine. where you take the artist, polish them up. and a great package they can play the ed sullivan show. and kill. marvin gaye wanted to be frank sinatra. he was clean, vesvelte. why can t i make a regard like the beatles? i m selling record like they sell. why can t i have that artistic expression?
shaking my hand looking for money and support. he was up people were saying, i called him a hypocrite. they re saying horrible things like. i don t even know these people. they re saying these, am i supposed to, you know, just say, it is okay for them to say one guy, lindsey graham called me a jackass. i m called a jackass. you have to fight back. the country has to fight back. everyone is pushing our country around. we can t allow that. is it presidential though? to give out a personal phone number? awe thought was a long story. you have to see the long story, the whole story the way it morphed. he wanted to get on fox & friends. called me out of the blue. never met the guy. wanted to come in for campaign contributions. then he starts hitting me years later the i happened to have this crazy phone number. i held it up. i said this guy was over here. and actually as you probably know, the room was packed standing room only in fact they had, theaters it was overflow
it was. matter of fact the first day he got there. he was honored as the service member of the day at magic kingdom. where he got to do the flag retreat. he was over the top thrilled. awe thought that was just last week? just last week. he was just he kept saying this is the best trip ever. this is the best one ever. all he kept saying. to have that memory is. he was such a good boy. he loved everybody. kathy, i wish there were some word i could say. i just want to say thank you for, for, being so strong and raising such a good son. and thank you for talking with us tonight. thank you so much. incredible loss for her and for the country for us all. as we said we learned more today about the man who took skip wells life and the lives of four service member. as we watched a wounded
palmer he trusted these guys? awe thought is a personal choice. you have to have integrity. you have to have your integrity intact at all times. brian in your interview with palmer, he talked how closely the guards and inmates collaborate, they trust each other, a carefully calibrated system of reward/punishment. i want to play a bit about what he had to say about the system. it works for us, just as the the tv s work for us that we have for them in their cells, soap operas, you d be surprised how stimulating they are for an individual. yes it does work. days of our lives. after seeing all of this, were you surprised the system seems to have failed? here s what i thought was sort of the way that maximum security prisons in new york worked. is that there were these strange cultural relationships, there were these sort of nuanced negotiated arrangements inside, but that the outer perimeter was rock solid. and what we are seeing with the investigations that are under
screwdriver with a handle? that could be used as a shank? that is a weapon. he is a convicted killer. his partner is a convicted killer. not only a convicted killer. a police killer in the case of sweat and somebody who dismembered worst case sa theiry.nar scenario. he has a bad day. you gave him a shank. he can open you up with like a can opener. the he gave the guy hamburger meat without putting it through the metal detector to you that is simply unbelievable? i can t believe it no. there is just no excuse for it. none whatsoever. i have never heard of anything like that where a sworn uniformed member of service would do something like that. at the behest of a civilian employee. like i said he was duty bound from the moment she asked him to do that to report it. as somebody who worked in prisons how do you prevent that relationship from developing? clearly in the case of gene palmer he trusted these guys? awe thought is a personal