start of that paragraph. you say, it was difficult to get the right kind of engagement from the hsc or the nhs. there was an in built reluctance to accept it was possible to get to a point where the nhs was overwhelmed and to acknowledge this would be something number 10 and the prime minister would need to be across. you referenced that concern from the cabinet office might not be helpful and you say you kept being told the nhs capacity was elastic. later on, a couple of lines down, you say it was only much later i realised what was meant by nhs capacity being elastic was the capacity being elastic was the capacity of people working in the nhs to work themselves into the ground to keep people alive. where you are in fact ever able to get to the bottom of this question of what we mean by the overwhelming of the nhs? , , ., ., nhs? this is in the following winter. this nhs? this is in the following winter. this is nhs? this is in the following winter. this is the nhs? th
lockdown helpful particularly on the autumn lockdown and managing, he did much more lockdown and managing, he did much more of lockdown and managing, he did much more of the lockdown and managing, he did much more of the operational implications of the more of the operational implications of the decisions that have been taken of the decisions that have been taken and of the decisions that have been taken and i think dominic cummings did more taken and i think dominic cummings did more of taken and i think dominic cummings did more of the ideas, i would say. i did more of the ideas, i would say. i don t did more of the ideas, i would say. i don t how did more of the ideas, i would say. i don t how helpful that is.- i don t how helpful that is. special advisers presumably i don t how helpful that is. special advisers presumably are i don t how helpful that is. special advisers presumably are meant i i don t how helpful that is. special advisers presumably
johnson the last week, with boris johnson and rishi sunak saying they weren t self isolating, you they weren t self isolating, you know, we are on some pilot scheme you know, we are on some pilot scheme when everybody else is going scheme when everybody else is going through it, people doing home schooling and not going to work home schooling and not going to work because they are self isolating and i think what this reveals isolating and i think what this reveals is isolating and i think what this reveals is actually a real issue reveals is actually a real issue for reveals is actually a real issue for the government, that this sort issue for the government, that this sort of dishonesty, arrogance, is something that is starting arrogance, is something that is starting to arrogance, is something that is starting to come through from people. starting to come through from people, people don t like it and people, people don t like it and that people, people don t
another rule for him. and i think we have seen a bit of that this over the last week too, with johnson and sunak you know saying they weren t self isolating, they were on some pilot, when everybody else is going through it, people having to do their home schooling and not go to work, because they re self isolating and i think what this reveals is a real issue for the government, that the sort of dishonesty, the arrogance is something that is starting to come through for people that people don t like and that is a real problem for them. i think why it s tricky, and i have talked to ministers and mps reacting to what they heard, is whether or not you like or loathe dominic cummings, whether you believe or not every word he said, some of what he s claiming speaks to wider truths. and particularly the autumn lockdown, or not lockdown, for example. the allegations that he was making, i have heard those same things, as you and i have discussed on this podcast, from people who have got absolu
iain watson at westminster. the labour leader has pressed boris johnson during prime minister s questions over allegations that he was reluctant to call an autumn lockdown as coronavirus was mostly only killing people aged over 80. by the prime minister s former aide dominic cummings. sir keir starmer called on mrjohnson to apologise. 0ur political correspondent, jonathan blake, was keeping across the exchanges in the commons. pretty fiery exchanges once again? yes, the prime minister was challenged on those claims made by his former senior adviser dominic cummings in that bbc interview that he was resistant to reimpose national lockdown measures last autumn when covid cases were rising because those dying of coronavirus were essentially all over 80, and when he used the phrase, get covid, live longer. the prime minister