hello and welcome to political thinking in conversation with rather than interrogation of someone who shapes what our politics could be like this week, so who could be prime minister, keir starmer has transformed labour s fortune since the party s historic defeat in 2019. he has also tried to transform what he and his party say that they stand for which has left a few puzzled as to who the real keir starmer is. one thing is clear, though, he has gone from being the man who could not win the next election to the man who, many say, cannot lose. keir starmer, welcome back to political thinking. thank you for having me back, my third time. bacharach what a change since last time you were here in 2021, does that phrase, cannot lose the election, oh i am so you bristle there. there is a long way to go. a lucky change until however long it is until the next election and we have to keep utterly focused on what we need to do. have to keep utterly focused on what we need to de we need