hello and welcome to political thinking in conversation with rather than interrogation of someone who shapes what our politics could be like this week, so who could be prime minister, keir starmer has transformed labour's fortune since the party's historic defeat in 2019. he has also tried to transform what he and his party say that they stand for which has left a few puzzled as to who the real keir starmer is. one thing is clear, though, he has gone from being the man who could not win the next election to the man who, many say, cannot lose. keir starmer, welcome back to political thinking. thank you for having me back, my third time. bacharach what a change since last time you were here in 2021, does that phrase, cannot lose the election, oh i am so you bristle there. there is a long way to go. a lucky change until however long it is until the next election and we have to keep utterly focused on what we need to do. have to keep utterly focused on what we need to de— we need to do. eight is one of those thins we need to do. eight is one of those things where — we need to do. eight is one of those things where you — we need to do. eight is one of those things where you lie _ we need to do. eight is one of those things where you lie awake - we need to do. eight is one of those things where you lie awake at - we need to do. eight is one of those| things where you lie awake at night? what i do as i always remind myself that, to get from where we landed as a party in 2019, the best result since 1935, to even a 1—2 seat labour majority is a bigger swing than the swing in 1997 and that is always sobering. the than the swing in 1997 and that is always sobering.— always sobering. the pessimists alwa s always sobering. the pessimists always look— always sobering. the pessimists always look at _ always sobering. the pessimists always look at 1992. _ always sobering. the pessimists always look at 1992. i _ always sobering. the pessimists always look at 1992. i know - always sobering. the pessimists always look at 1992. i know neil| always look at 1992. i know neil kinnock pretty well. he had one of those elections were people said you cannot lose and he did, tojohn major, back in 1992. do you talk to him? i major, back in 1992. do you talk to him? ., ~ ., ~ ., , him? i talk to neil kinnock, tony blair, him? i talk to neil kinnock, tony blair. gordon _ him? i talk to neil kinnock, tony blair, gordon brown, _ him? i talk to neil kinnock, tony blair, gordon brown, and - him? i talk to neil kinnock, tony blair, gordon brown, and talk. him? i talk to neil kinnock, tony blair, gordon brown, and talk to| blair, gordon brown, and talk to tony and gordon particularly about the period of 95, 96, 97, not about specific policies because that is too long ago, but about the place, intensity, preparation that we need an also increasingly recently about the mood, because there is this tendency when we should be looking forward to always look back so everybody will say what is next year's collection going to be about then search the history books to say is it 97, 92, further back, which is obviously wrong because it will be 2024, but the mood in 97 was one of optimism. the economy was growing. services, public services were not on their knees, and we were turning into a new century which always gives a human sense of hope. and therefore, our theme was that things could only get better, this song that was sung at every labour party gathering ever since. but it chimes with the times. and it wouldn't now. and it is a big mistake to misread the mood of the country. at the moment i think there is a real sense of concern, of insecurity. and people want a labour party and if we are privileged enough to serve, a labour government to weld together the reassurance that they need with the reassurance that they need with the hope that things can change. and it is a dip mood, and we have to get that absolutely spot on. == that absolutely spot on. -- different — that absolutely spot on. -- different mood. _ that absolutely spot on. —— different mood. coming to hope and how you can rate it at this time. coming to mind set, you just refer to it was that we said that you hate losing, every opposition politician has to say that. i losing, every opposition politician has to say that.— has to say that. i can prove it to ou on has to say that. i can prove it to you on the _ has to say that. i can prove it to you on the football pitch. - has to say that. i can prove it to you on the football pitch. yes, | you on the football pitch. yes, cho er you on the football pitch. yes, chopper starmer! _ you on the football pitch. yes, chopper starmer! i _ you on the football pitch. yes, chopper starmer! i have - you on the football pitch. yes, chopper starmer! i have an i chopper starmer! i have an allegation tippett, sitting in that chair not long ago the scottish labour leader anna saro catton team scotland against team england, he said his team are winning the referee, one of keir starmer�*s members of staff extended the game not by three minutes passed by 35 minutes until your team went one goal up and then blew the whistle is this true, he goal up and then blew the whistle is this true, , ., ., this true, he is exaggerating. it was a great _ this true, he is exaggerating. it was a great game. _ this true, he is exaggerating. it was a great game. we - this true, he is exaggerating. it was a great game. we were - this true, he is exaggerating. it i was a great game. we were down this true, he is exaggerating. it - was a great game. we were down at half—time and so, we had to have words. and i realise then that not only my passion for winning but i would never hear the end of it from anas and scottish labour if we didn't win. irate anas and scottish labour if we didn't win-— anas and scottish labour if we didn't win. ~ ., , ., , , ., didn't win. we have established that ou hate didn't win. we have established that you hate losing. _ didn't win. we have established that you hate losing, that _ didn't win. we have established that you hate losing, that you _ didn't win. we have established that you hate losing, that you are - you hate losing, that you are ruthless, my words, but what i'm interested in is what stirs you. the question people often ask. and in politics, what stirs you an ordinary life, what makes you angry in the ordinary everyday life, what is the quickest way to wind up keir? this resect, quickest way to wind up keir? this respect. not _ quickest way to wind up keir? try 3 respect, not respecting people for who they are, i really hate it and it really makes me angry. you see it in different places and different ways, the way people behave to each other, don't listen to each other, and don't accept each other. does that date back _ and don't accept each other. does that date back to _ and don't accept each other. does that date back to the _ and don't accept each other. does that date back to the treatment of your dad? when we talked before i political thinking, you talked about the fact that your dad was a factory worker who made tools, somebody who always felt look down on. it worker who made tools, somebody who always felt look down on.— always felt look down on. it passed them back to _ always felt look down on. it passed them back to that. _ always felt look down on. it passed them back to that. i _ always felt look down on. it passed them back to that. i probably - them back to that. i probably appreciate that more now than i did thenif appreciate that more now than i did then if i am honest with myself. but he felt that because he worked on the shop floor and a factory, that he was looked down on, and i could see it manifested. i was lucky. i got through, went to university, first in a family, my brother really struggled with learning. he had real difficulties. he was called all sorts of names. and my mum and dad instilled in me that his success in where he got to in what he achieved in life was just as good as mine, and so, the disrespect that comes with calling people click, that, you want to write white me up, call somebody thick, i will never accept that. that determination to change things for the better, by which i mean, the living standards of families across the country, families across the country, families like my family when i was growing up, to give them what i have always called the ordinary hope that particularly working—class families want, that is what stirs me to reach that place, to change their lives, have that opportunity. interesting that ou have that opportunity. interesting that you use _ have that opportunity. interesting that you use the _ have that opportunity. interesting that you use the word _ have that opportunity. interesting that you use the word class. - have that opportunity. interesting i that you use the word class. people might agree with what you are saying, your goal, but often people in recent years have shied away from class as a classification. sort of nervous about it. with that sense that people are going to be cold sometimes working—class, who are now middle class and their lifestyle, just because they used to once worked in a factory, calling themselves working—class as a working —— open concept. this themselves working-class as a working -- open concept. this is a comlete working -- open concept. this is a complete mess — working -- open concept. this is a complete mess of _ working -- open concept. this is a complete mess of standing - working -- open concept. this is a complete mess of standing up - working -- open concept. this is al complete mess of standing up what working -- open concept. this is a i complete mess of standing up what it is to be working class. working—class people, families like mine, we didn't have a lot of money, dad worked in a factory, mum worked as a nurse but had to give up because she wasn't ill, we struggle to make ends meet, we did not have meals out or elaborate holidays, thatis meals out or elaborate holidays, that is an experience i lived, but it is wrong to suggest that the ordinary hope of working class people isn't to get along and to better yourself, to buy that house, to have a slightly bigger house we have children, they get the car you want, the holiday you want. it is a misconception that somehow, this is not the working class green. it is the ordinary hope of working class family so i am really comfortable. i had incrediblejourney from family so i am really comfortable. i had incredible journey from that family through university into being a lawyer, working in northern ireland, were running a public service, the cps, now sitting here for the third time with you, as leader of the labour party, i want everybody to have a chance to, in the way that i have had a chance on my life, to talk... irate the way that i have had a chance on my life, to talk. . ._ the way that i have had a chance on my life, to talk. . .— my life, to talk... we are speaking about your — my life, to talk... we are speaking about your dad. — my life, to talk... we are speaking about your dad, and _ my life, to talk. .. we are speaking about your dad, and your- my life, to talk... we are speaking about your dad, and your mum - my life, to talk... we are speaking about your dad, and your mum in l about your dad, and your mum in previous editions. you spoke movingly about her, notjust a nurse but somebody who utterly dependent on the health service because she was ill for a very long time. the last time we spoke to told a story about her dripping your hand, saying, do not let your dad go private. —— gripping. because it symbolised her passion. but since we have talked, you wes streeting is your house equity, you hope, have talked endlessly about changing the nhs, nhs reform. can you do that, when there are so many people in the country like your mum, who just think the nhs is what is right and we don't want it to change? there are de smidt _ we don't want it to change? there are de smidt things _ we don't want it to change? there are de smidt things in _ we don't want it to change? there are de smidt things in play, - we don't want it to change? there are de smidt things in play, the l we don't want it to change? ii—urr are de smidt things in play, the one as well reform equals private sector in the nhs. i don't agree with that. that is not what i mean by reform. i accept to get the waiting list and we should use the private sector to get us through that appalling list of 7.6 million people waiting for operations. but the reform i'm talking about is a broader reform, which is to move the nhs from something which basically treats sickness to something which is a preventative model using technology, ai, diagnostics, much more quickly, moving it closer to people so that the choice isn'tjust the gp or a&e which it is at the moment, and improving mental health services. there is no point in using this interview to do that, but it it is hard for you because you acknowledge the change in mood since 1997, your words, and that is the sense that there wasn't no country i would suggest, i wonder if you would agree, that things are so bad that nobody can do very much about any of it. ., . ~ ., ., nobody can do very much about any of it. let me acknowledge that emotion because it is — it. let me acknowledge that emotion because it is powerful _ it. let me acknowledge that emotion because it is powerful then _ it. let me acknowledge that emotion because it is powerful then explain . because it is powerful then explain what i think we can do about it. i think we are fighting on two france going into the selection. the first is a group of people that look at the country and think it really has been such a failure over the last 13 years, a feeling that almost nothing is working and therefore in their mind they say, i know that you want to change things for the better but i don't think anybody can do it because it is so broken. there is that group which is a very sad reflection on the last 13 years. there was another group that will say i like what you say but i don't believe you're going to do it because we have been told so many things over the past few years, which have not proved to be true, particularly since the last election, we have to face both of those. the answer is firstly to build the reassurance. i understand where you are at and genuinely. then we can fix the short—term problems and reassure them. that is about stability and security. people often say to me, argue for you for your reassurance or are you for your reassurance or are you for your reassurance or are you for your reassurance or cannot have both and you're not going to win an election if you don't have the hope bit. my answer, we want to weld the two together so that the reassurance comes to the platform and that is particularly true in the economy on which we then build the missions for a better britain as we go forward. back to the football analogy, is this keir starmer is a ruthless and determined to win that he will say what he thinks he needs to to be popular, or if you change your mind, because when you rank to be leader you back tax rises and the rich, common ownership of rail and water, free movement, you're not in favour of those things any more, have you changed your mind, as reality kicked in? , , ., ., ., ., in? the pledges i made one around for leadership _ in? the pledges i made one around for leadership were _ in? the pledges i made one around for leadership were pooled - for leadership were pooled reflections of value and actually everybody goes to the two or three but i have had to adjust my position and misses out the majority prior i am in the same place and i would say about that same race, every single speech i did to labour party members ended with me saying, if we don't win an election all of this is just in vain. they knew that if they elected me they would have somebody single—mindedly intent, with steely determination to win the election and that is what i have got and that is why we have come on this journey with them. is why we have come on this “ourney with them. ., , ., ,., is why we have come on this “ourney with them. ., , ., ., , ., with them. changes about realism and about looking — with them. changes about realism and about looking credible _ with them. changes about realism and about looking credible and _ about looking credible and persuading the country that you are real. t persuading the country that you are real. ., ., ., .. , persuading the country that you are real. ., ., , ., ., real. i do not accept that we are forever change _ real. i do not accept that we are forever change your _ real. i do not accept that we are forever change your mind - real. i do not accept that we are forever change your mind but i i forever change your mind but i will never pretend that i have never looked again at a decision and i do not hold in high esteem people that do. i have had incredible privilege of working on the good friday agreement in northern ireland. it was instructive, informative for me, a lot of my thinking came from those years. if every single person who entered the room to try and approve the good friday agreement simply set i'm going to stick to my long—held position, i refuse to adjust in any way, then we would not be where we are in northern ireland. that would be an absolute travesty. itruth? are in northern ireland. that would be an absolute travesty.— be an absolute travesty. why it matters as _ be an absolute travesty. why it matters as a — be an absolute travesty. why it matters as a question - be an absolute travesty. why it matters as a question for - be an absolute travesty. why it matters as a question for an i matters as a question for an interview like this, is it a question of who the real keir starmer is? the tories are going to be hard on the pitch, you would probably play dirty as well, i suspect, they will call you a lefty lawyer. it is not a reasonable description of you to mark the sort of lefty and not a lawyer. i description of you to mark the sort of lefty and not a lawyer.— of lefty and not a lawyer. i have liven u- of lefty and not a lawyer. i have given up being _ of lefty and not a lawyer. i have given up being a _ of lefty and not a lawyer. i have given up being a lawyer, - of lefty and not a lawyer. i have given up being a lawyer, but. of lefty and not a lawyer. i have | given up being a lawyer, but you right about playing dirty. why are they going to play dirty? they have not got a record to stand on. they cannot go to the country saying we have delivered these things. at the end of the last labour government yet speeches went on for a long time as we listed our great achievements in government. you can agree with him or not but you didn't say they were not achievements. there is no list for this government. they cannot stand on the leadership because they are burned through prime ministers in seven years, and cause great instability, they cannot stand on the economy because they have busted that and we are in a worse cost of living crisis than other countries say they will have to get dirty and go to that. rishi sunak wants to go into that space. that is the desperate enter a government. that is the desperate enter a government-— that is the desperate enter a government. that is the desperate enter a covernment. ., . ., �* ., government. real change. but are you sa in: even government. real change. but are you saying even as — government. real change. but are you saying even as leader _ government. real change. but are you saying even as leader of _ government. real change. but are you saying even as leader of the _ saying even as leader of the opposition that there has been a 0pposition that there has been a period of reflection, a period of realism, perhaps, but what can and cannot be done? you realism, perhaps, but what can and cannot be done?— realism, perhaps, but what can and cannot be done? you always have as moments in — cannot be done? you always have as moments in life. _ cannot be done? you always have as moments in life. when _ cannot be done? you always have as moments in life. when i _ cannot be done? you always have as moments in life. when i went- cannot be done? you always have as moments in life. when i went to - cannot be done? you always have as| moments in life. when i went to work in northern ireland, that was the first time i had gone to work within an institution and to test for myself whether you could change from the inside more effectively than from the outside as it was instructive but as labour leader in the last few years, i knew we had to change the party. i knew that having lost that badly you could not look at the electorate and say, what do you think you are doing, you had to look at the party and change it at pace with steely determination. when we got whacked at hartlepool, that really hurt. a by—election that we lost. ifelt it like really hurt. a by—election that we lost. i felt it like a punch really hurt. a by—election that we lost. ifelt it like a punch in really hurt. a by—election that we lost. i felt it like a punch in the stomach. and it really hurt, and it should hurt because new things you thought, but it also taught me that we had to double down and go even quicker any change that we had to do. i quicker any change that we had to do. . , quicker any change that we had to do. ., , , ., , ., quicker any change that we had to do. ., , do. i teased you when you are first elected leader _ do. i teased you when you are first elected leader that _ do. i teased you when you are first elected leader that you _ do. i teased you when you are first elected leader that you wrote - do. i teased you when you are first elected leader that you wrote for l elected leader that you wrote for the magazine called the human face of the hard left, socialist alternatives, and you asked toni payne about becoming the united party of the oppressed. you are a lefty. —— tony benn. itruiith party of the oppressed. you are a lefty. -- tony benn.— lefty. -- tony benn. with that magazine _ lefty. -- tony benn. with that magazine what _ lefty. -- tony benn. with that magazine what we _ lefty. -- tony benn. with that magazine what we were - lefty. -- tony benn. with that magazine what we were trying j lefty. -- tony benn. with that i magazine what we were trying to do was interesting. we were trying to weld together the working class trade union aspect of what is always a labour movement with feminism and green politics, an amateur attempt which did not sell more than half a dozen copies! that which did not sell more than half a dozen copies!— dozen copies! at that time you describe yourself _ dozen copies! at that time you describe yourself as _ dozen copies! at that time you describe yourself as a - dozen copies! at that time you describe yourself as a red i dozen copies! at that time you i describe yourself as a red green, always interested in the environment. the government is now saying that they are going to develop rosebank. this usualfield. when it was talked about, ed miliband, your shadow climate change secretary, said that they do it would drive a coach and horses through our climate commitment. do you still think that? i through our climate commitment. do you still think that?— you still think that? i absolutely think we have _ you still think that? i absolutely think we have got _ you still think that? i absolutely think we have got to _ you still think that? i absolutely think we have got to do - you still think that? i absolutely think we have got to do the i think we have got to do the transition to renewables. that is why the what i set out was for clean power in 2030, was really difficult and what we have said is no new licence to be granted when we were in power, but we will not revoke anything that any licenses that have gone before we came into power. mas gone before we came into power. was ed miliband wrong to say that rosebank being developed would drive a coach and horses through our climate policy? he a coach and horses through our climate policy?— a coach and horses through our climate policy? he is right that we have to have _ climate policy? he is right that we have to have this _ climate policy? he is right that we have to have this transition i climate policy? he is right that we have to have this transition but i l have to have this transition but i am mindful of the fact that if there is one thing that has killed growth in the last 13 years and it has been killed, is the chopping and changing, lack of strategic thinking, therefore, as a matter of principle, we will accept as it were, the baseline that we inherit from the government, if we win that election and it is if, i am not getting ahead of myself so that is why i am clear that we will not revoke the licence. it is worth, and it is deliberate and it is to ensure that we have that stability we desperately need in our economy. that answer illustrates the fact that answer illustrates the fact that your words are hung on now because people think you are quite likely to be our next prime minister. i want to talk about the travel you have been doing. just a more general question to start with. how has it changed that you? cheer how has it changed that you? over the ears how has it changed that you? over the years that _ how has it changed that you? over the years that changes _ how has it changed that you? or the years that changes as we get towards an election. and there is no expectation now, understandably. live sort of closes in on one level because we do have to be very security conscious now in a way that we were not before. when my wife and i go out for wedding anniversary book and nice restaurant and on the next table we have our protection team and they are fantastic. no complaints, but it is a different environment, different for my children, and my kids, and i worry about that. children, and my kids, and i worry about that-— children, and my kids, and i worry about that. you have begun to get advice about. _ about that. you have begun to get advice about, and _ about that. you have begun to get advice about, and there _ about that. you have begun to get advice about, and there are i about that. you have begun to get advice about, and there are more| advice about, and there are more premises that have come into downing street. i premises that have come into downing street. . . , premises that have come into downing street. ., ., , ., ., street. i am really not daunted about the _ street. i am really not daunted about the difficult _ street. i am really not daunted about the difficult decisions i street. i am really not daunted| about the difficult decisions you will have to make in government to get that far. i am worried about my children. that is probably the single thing that does keep me awake, as to how we will protect them through this. at the moment, we are on the stage of this is very much, me and my wife, take each day as it comes, we do not do the great planning or anything like that, that would be presumptuous. but we do try to protect them. we do not name them in public. my boy is 15, my girl was 12, i want to protect them. we don't use photos that of them in any way and i want for as long as i can to preserve that space for them. but i am worried. i preserve that space for them. but i am worried-— am worried. i know that it is and if, but if you _ am worried. i know that it is and if, but if you can _ am worried. i know that it is and if, but if you can and _ am worried. i know that it is and if, but if you can and if - am worried. i know that it is and if, but if you can and if you're i am worried. i know that it is and if, but if you can and if you're at| if, but if you can and if you're at number ten, you try to keep that going if you could. i number ten, you try to keep that going if you could.— going if you could. i would desperately _ going if you could. i would desperately try _ going if you could. i would desperately try to - going if you could. i would desperately try to keep i going if you could. i would l desperately try to keep that going if you could. i would - desperately try to keep that going. we are clear, you know, the fantastic thing about, with my wife, she has instilled this on me, is that her core values of what she wants for our children is happy and confident and when they were born we decided happy and confident so we would not push them, you've got to do this and that all achieve the other, so there is this protected space for them. we other, so there is this protected space for them.— other, so there is this protected space for them. we talked of the downsides of _ space for them. we talked of the downsides of people _ space for them. we talked of the downsides of people assuming i space for them. we talked of the i downsides of people assuming you will you be the next prime minister but the upside is that you get to travel the world to meet the people have done the job in other countries. you have spoken to president 0bama a couple of times. what can you learn from him? you president obama a couple of times. what can you learn from him? you can alwa s wait what can you learn from him? you can always wait learn _ what can you learn from him? you can always wait learn from _ what can you learn from him? you can always wait learn from people - what can you learn from him? you can always wait learn from people who i always wait learn from people who win, how they did it. the challenge is where as they won and then when they came into power, but he's a keen student of uk politics. he is watching very carefully. i find it quite helpful to talk to people outside of the bubble, if you like. we have an intense bubble around westminster and sometimes having a line of sight from somebody outside thatis line of sight from somebody outside that is really helpful. we line of sight from somebody outside that is really helpful.— that is really helpful. we saw that she met president _ that is really helpful. we saw that she met president macron - that is really helpful. we saw that she met president macron in i that is really helpful. we saw that. she met president macron in paris. he talked about president trump, i am told. the mac how would the world cope if the lawbreaker in the democracy came back. share cope if the lawbreaker in the democracy came back. are critical is that ou democracy came back. are critical is that you do — democracy came back. are critical is that you do not _ democracy came back. are critical is that you do not talk _ democracy came back. are critical is that you do not talk about _ that you do not talk about one—to—one so i am not going to do that but we covered a wide range of issues. 45—50 minute meeting one—to—one, and it was very positive. one-to-one, and it was very positive-— one-to-one, and it was very ositive. ., �* ., ., positive. you don't want to review what ou positive. you don't want to review what you discussed _ positive. you don't want to review what you discussed with - positive. you don't want to review| what you discussed with president macron but a serious question about foreign affairs, which is, it is not up foreign affairs, which is, it is not up to us, we don't get to choose, but if the united states does back donald trump again to be present, he is going to be a real challenge for you, if you move into number ten. brute you, if you move into number ten. we have to you, if you move into number ten. - have to make it work. and i think thatis have to make it work. and i think that is where any incoming labour government would want to be. the challengers for the world are too great. this relationship between the uk and us has been so drunk for so many years, and an important, special relationship, that we have to make it work, and that is my mindset. 0ne to make it work, and that is my mindset. one of the things about being a leader is that you do not get to choose the other leaders around the world. that is the job of democracies where there are democracies. but in a grown—up world you have to make that relationship work. we you have to make that relationship work. ~ . . ~ you have to make that relationship work. ~ ., ., ,, ., ., you have to make that relationship work. ., ., ,, ., ., ., work. we have talked a lot about how ou work. we have talked a lot about how you produce — work. we have talked a lot about how you produce out- _ work. we have talked a lot about how you produce out. i— work. we have talked a lot about how you produce out. i see _ work. we have talked a lot about how you produce out. i see this, _ work. we have talked a lot about how you produce out. i see this, there i you produce out. i see this, there was a lot of keir starmer on the front cover here, of the labour conference. there is a kind of rather austere keir there, and if i turn a couple of pages in, there is happy keir. which one do you want people to take most seriously? bath. people to take most seriously? both, but i think people to take most seriously? both, but i think it — people to take most seriously? both, but i think it is _ people to take most seriously? both, but | think it is the _ people to take most seriously? both, but i think it is the happy _ people to take most seriously? both, but i think it is the happy one that people focusing on, that is the one they have not seen quite so much. they will see more of that, bit more hope. which brings me back to marie began, about the potential that it doesn't work out. david blunkett, the former labour home secretary, said, actually, this is going to be an election like the one that the leader say you admired the most, harold worsen, 1964, coming after 13 years, tory government, lots of evidence in the opinion polls, that people had enough —— harold wilson. but what happened, do you remember? it is not a number i'm aiming for by any stretch of the imagination. p, any stretch of the imagination. a majority of four. this _ any stretch of the imagination. a majority of four. this is - 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hope. yes and that is the reissuance of hope, because i think the countryj of hope, because i think the country is fed up with this lot. they have decided that it is time to go, we now need to answer the question, if not then then why us? and that is the central question that we intend to answer at conference. 0bviously what i've already set out to you is the five missions for an incoming government, how we will work, what we are to achieve, and they are absolutely jam—packed we are to achieve, and they are absolutelyjam—packed with hope. the question is, do people think we have got the steely determination to deliver them, and i intend to show them that the steely determination as they can eat from the 4th of april 2020 when i became labour leader, to the position i'm in now sitting opposite you, is the same steely determination that they will have to remain leader of the country who will take them on, fix, rebuild, and we our country. i(eir who will take them on, fix, rebuild, and we our country.— and we our country. keir starmer, thank you — and we our country. keir starmer, thank you for— and we our country. keir starmer, thank you forjoining _ and we our country. keir starmer, thank you forjoining me - and we our country. keir starmer, thank you forjoining me on i thank you forjoining me on political thinking.— thank you forjoining me on political thinking. it is political thinking. thank you. it is not 'ust a political thinking. thank you. it is notjust a surety _ political thinking. thank you. it is not just a surety that _ politicalthinking. thank you. it is| notjust a surety that accompanies not just a surety that accompanies keir starmer that shows me how much he has changed in a couple of years since he was on political thinking last year. it is his thinking. his willingness to say no, to, his desperation to offer voters reassurance. but he is acknowledging that he had also has to find a way to offer hope, when there is a mood in the country which is pretty bleak. that could be his biggest challenge yet. thank you for watching. hello. it's going to stay quite warm for the foreseeable future. the weather, though, a bit of a mixed bag. we had plenty of damp weather on saturday, and we're also forecasting rain — at least for a time — on sunday. but bright weather, i think, for the majority of us. now, here's the satellite picture. a conveyor belt of clouds stretching from the southwest, spreading across the uk. that's the weather front. to the south of it, we've got that warm and quite humid airstreaming in. that means a lot of mist and murk around some southwestern and western coasts through the early hours. and you can see where the rain is around parts of wales, into north—western england and across parts of northern england too. but a lot of dry weather as well, though, quite overcast. temperatures, at 7:00 in the morning, 17 in the south, about 15 there in newcastle. so really mild start to the day. now here's the forecast for the morning. you can see where it's raining from wales through northern england. a lot of sunshine for scotland and northern ireland. a beautiful morning and afternoon with highs possibly even up to 20 degrees around the scottish borders and also newcastle, 23—24 degrees across east anglia and the south—east. so temperatures are going to be more like august, really. now into monday, the weather front�*s still here. it's trailing way out into the atlantic. it keeps spreading over us. so again, a chance of some rain, i think in the form of quite heavy showers, and even a crack of thunder is possible. there'll be a few showers around western parts of scotland, but i think a little bit fresher here with these atlantic winds, 15 in glasgow, still 22, 23, maybe 24 degrees celsius in london and the southeast. now, here's tuesday's weather map and you can see quite a few isobars there. that means a feral breeze blowing off the atlantic. it's going to be more or less a westerly. but high pressure is fairly close by — that high pressure will be building across the uk. so here's tuesday, then a few showers across many western and northern areas. i think it'll feel a little bit fresher around these western coasts, 16—17 celsius. we may nudge to about 20 or so in london, but i think it's the teens for most of us on tuesday. and here's a snapshot of the week, and you can see that the best of the weather across the south of the country, but overall, actually not too bad, with a few showers here and there. live from washington. this is bbc news. the house of representatives passes a short—term funding plan — that could help prevent a us government shutdown at midnight. the bill is passed, and with that objection, the motion to reconsider is laid on the table. now it's up to the senate to vote on the stopgap measure. it does not include extra aid to ukraine. plus 100,000 people have fled nagorno karabakh — meaning the entire ethnic armenian population of the disputed region has left. hello, i'm sumi somaskanda. here in washington, all eyes are on the senate, as they work to avoid a government shutdown of the us government. earlier, the house passed a continuing resolution to keep the government open for an additional 45 days, while they work to pass long term funding. now the senate has to vote to approve it before it heads to the president's desk. this is what house speaker kevin mccarthy had to say — after the bill passed. just moments ago on the house floor, we passed by overwhelming numbers