But they do need the right to be respected. I think they re living beings just like us, and so they should be understood as much as we possibly can understand them. We shouldn t inflict needless pain on them, and we should curb some of our habits that cause them a lot of suffering. Peta, your organisation, people for the ethical treatment of animals, opposes what it calls speciesism and a, quote, human supremacist worldview. Can you sort of explain what that actually means? well, i think we have to get over ourselves as a species, as a human species. We ve sort of set ourselves up as gods, and we regard anyone that doesn t fit into the human species as sort of trash. I mean, as you said earlier, we might pet them, we might skin them. We decide. And yet animals are not like us, they are us. If we took elementary biology, we learned that we are one animal among many. It s a great, if you will, somebody said an orchestra of life, we each play a different instrument. That s rather romantic
Welcome to hardtalk. Thanks very much, stephen. Its a great pleasure to have you in the studio. Let me start by trying to establish a core principle. Is it your belief that animals should enjoy equal rights, the same rights as humans . Well, not the same rights, because, of course, they dont need the right to do some of the things we wish to do, like drive a car or vote, although they might do better than weve done sometimes. But they do need the right to be respected. I think theyre living beings just like us, and so they should be understood as much as we possibly can understand them. We shouldnt inflict needless pain on them, and we should curb some of our habits that cause them a lot of suffering. Peta, your organisation, people for the ethical treatment of animals, opposes what it calls speciesism and a, quote, human supremacist worldview. Can you sort of explain what that actually means . Well, i think we have to get over ourselves as a species, as a Human Species. Weve sort of s
Welcome to hardtalk. Im stephen sackur. We humans have a complicated relationship with animals. Some we pet, some we skin, some we eat. We destroy their wild habitats while we agonise about the loss of species diversity. It is not an equal relationship, its exploitative, but will it ever change . And if so, how . My guest is determined that it should. Ingrid newkirk is president and Co Founder of the Campaign Group people for the ethical treatment of animals. Is she the Human Ally Animals need . Ingrid newkirk, welcome to hardtalk. Ingrid newkirk, welcome to hardtalk. Thanks very much, stephen. Thanks very much, stephen. Its a great pleasure its a great pleasure to have you in the studio. To have you in the studio. Let me start by trying let me start by trying to establish a core principle. To establish a core principle. Is it your belief that animals is it your belief that animals should enjoy equal rights, should enjoy equal rights, the same rights as humans . The same rights as huma
outlined, get this, a plan to spy on catholic churches. the memo from the f.b.i. s richmond field office suggested radical catholic ideology could lead to domestic terror. and that the f.b.i. sought to develop sources inside churches to report on any suspicious activity. house judiciary committee chairman jim jordan writing in the subpoena this information is outrageous and only reinforces the committee s need for all f.b.i. material responsive to our request. the documents produced to date show how the f.b.i. sought to enlist catholic houses of worship as potential sources to monitor and report on their parishioners. it s a chilling thought. the memo even drew criticism from the f.b.i. director ray himself. he condemned the memo when asked about it last month. when i first learned of the piece, i was aghast. as you should be. and we took steps immediately to withdraw it and remove it from f.b.i. systems. it does not reflect f.b.i. standards. we do not conduct inve
They relate to panels of a Higher Quality than grenfell but the same sort of design. The thing about the panels, is that they behave oddly in a fire. It is two bits of aluminium around the core of a substance. Some have plastic inside . Some do. In the fire the aluminium can expose what is on the inside. So in a fire that is dangerous. So Aluminium Composite Panels behave in an unusual way. We have two of the examples and a quote here. It shows that they say, they believe that the panels, if tested would believe the same as a test that they conducted with ceramic tiles. Aluminium composite panels do not behave in a fire in a similar way to ceramic tiles. The documents are handed over to a building inspector, and on the basis of them say that you have done the work, tick. We know that for example, this research was used in portsmouth in unite student accommodation. This is justifying stuff going on this buildings. We spoke to people who did not believe that this was being used. But this