there is a lot of energy there that perhaps doesn t fit what some folks in florida are used to engaging. and that is scary to a lot of people. and the robocall is very overt. there is so many other ways these sort of microaggressions, when you talk about race in this sort of coded language, folks are used to that. it s important for us to call that out even more than before. very quickly, amy, in the time we have, we saw desantis double down, no apology. point of no return when it comes to this? i think that was a big mistake for him. yeah. all right. well, will this become the overall narrative? very quickly, basel? between now and november, i think this is going to dominate for a little while, actually. i hope we get into issues nationally, not just in florida. all right. well, thank you to both of you for your time. great hearing your perspective. and we are approaching the top of the hour, which means i m out of time. i m frances rivera in for alex
used, and i also thought it was weaponizing skin color. so? not sort of something that is specific to party. it s a terrible, terrible tactic. but when you look at florida, there are so many things happening down there. i certainly think it will backfire. amy, i want your take on that. it keeps coming up. this day and age with the tone knowing the sensitivity, race relations, too, that again the point that basel brought up, a harvard educated man knowing now than any other time, word choices, phrases that are used are important and can be construed and misinterpreted in many ways, but yet that was still the term. absolutely. and i agree with basel. this has nothing to do with party affiliation. it s unfortunate that he did decide to use those choice of words. he also said that he wasn t going to apologize because that wasn t his intent. but i still believe that he should have apologized, especially with the sensitivity of the words that he did use.
racist robocall that is targeting him in florida. the call says it was paid for by a wheat supremacist droups band comes on on the accusations that ran desantis used a racist dog whistle when referencing gillum. here is what gillum said to msnbc s joy reid. we call on ron desantis to escalate this dialogue to a level where, frankly, we can have a common and decent exchange of ideas. mr. desantis has to be careful with his rhetoric. in the wake of sharpcharlottesv that can be very dangerous for folks. basil smikle, republican strategist amy tarcadian. before we go any further, i want to be clear that a spokesperson for desantis condemned those robocalls as appalling and disgusting and he said he hopes whoever is behind this has