Upcoming visit. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to upclose. Im bill ritter, in for diana. Pope francis arrives in new york city thursday evening for a busy but short 40hour visit. The nypd, the secret service, and other federal agencies have been getting ready for months. The mayor was there. So was the police commissioner. A multiagency what if. The nypd, secret service, office of emergency management, atf all practicing possible emergency scenarios that could disrupt the popes visit. We have another ied explosion, 1592 broadway. These tabletop scenarios covered everything, from backpack explosions to active shooters to a collapsed building to a train derailment. Get everyone involved in this esu, explosive. And, traffic, we need to get you out there with traffic and set up a perimeter. In a city thats faced unparalleled security challenges in the past, this short visit by the pope next week is unmatched in the citys history. We will have available capacity on land, on sea, and in the air. Well have thousands and thousands of officers and the advantage of tremendously effective surveillance technology, including cameras, explosive trace detection devices, Radiation Detection devices. In his 40hour visit, the pope will go from one end of manhattan to the other, from the national 9 11 memorial to Madison Square garden, st. Patricks cathedral, to a 12block ride through central park in the popemobile. The popes desire and insistence to connect with people or at least try is running up against the nypds worry about his safety. We are very comfortable that we are going to be able to meet both sets of needs and have a very safe event. The popes visit also coinciding with the u. N. General assembly gathering, 170 World Leaders right here in manhattan. That defines this as a National Special security event which gives a lead role in coordinating security to the secret service. But its the nypd that will provide the manpower and the equipment, from Chemical Biological detection to radiation monitoring to rescue. The equipment that we have here will be utilized necessary respond to anything that we may come in contact with that is a direct threat against the holy father or a threat of any event or anything happening within the city. And the popes passion to meet the people has raised the possibility, however unlikely, that he might even want to take public transportation. Can you imagine . If the pope wants to, what are they gonna say . No . So whats going on behind the scenes at the nypd and secret service this morning . And what can we expect during the popes visit here . Joining us, security expert nick casale, who is the former chief of counterterrorism for the mta, also a former nypd detective. Nick is a Security Consultant right now for abc news. Welcome, nick. Good morning. So, is it the biggest event securitywise ever for the nypd . By all means. Ive never seen anything like this. Were gonna have the u. N. General assembly. We have the pope. Thankfully the president will come when the pope leaves, and that is only because of security concerns. If the president had been here while the pope was here, it would have just been off the charts. We hear about gridlock all the time. No ones even mentioning gridlock. Its beyond gridlock, it seems to me. Anybody who drives into manhattan during the papal visit should really reconsider. I mean, the trains and busses are just going to be overwhelmed. Forget roads. If you have a car, leave it somewhere else. The trains will be packed. The busses a lot of them wont be running because some of these streets will be blocked off. Theres gonna be a tremendous swap throughout the city, where there will be no traffic, including busses. What does the nypd do . You know, i know theyre in a tough position, but this quandary, this conundrum of a pope that likes to touch the flesh and be out there and wave to people, and the security concerns that people like you have . Well, theres no doubt about it. If you think the popes gonna stick to the schedule, i can tell you hes not. Somewhere, sometime, hes just gonna stop that vehicle, get out, and say hello to people. That most likely will occur. But however, youre going to have the secret service and the nypd there to protect him, besides his own papal entourage. Youre also going to have people in the crowds, plainclothes officers in the crowd, and youre gonna have another component here. Youre gonna have the fbi through the joint terrorist task force. Theyre going to have everybody whos significant that they believe is a suspect, a person of interest, or just a person that they want to know where theyre at under constant surveillance throughout the papal visit. Whats the worry here . As a counterterrorism expert, whats the worry . An organized terror attack or lone wolves, both . Well, you know, a lot of people, a lot of times want to say the lone wolf. But, you know, dont ever discard the fact that there could be an attack. The advantage we have is that we have tremendous intercept capability of communication. We know a lot about what the other side is thinking and doing before time. So, for there to be an organized attack, that cell has to communicate, and we have the capability to understand and to listen to whats going on through intercept. We also have significant people constantly under surveillance. As to the lone wolf, the lone wolf will not be as organized if one was to try to attack. However, within that crowd we learned this from boston there are going to be a lot of plainclothes officers who are just going to look like the faithful or visitors or tourists in the crowd. Thats a key component, too. You were here in this studio talking to me, analyzing the Boston Marathon bombing. We looked at exactly what happened. The crowd situation that was a surprise attack, but now with all these people in a crowd, Police Expect something to happen. Theyre on guard for it. Isnt the organized terrorist point of view always to have a surprise attack . Have a surprise attack. Thats their advantage. The concept of terrorism is to inflict terror upon the people, to have political change. But, you know, in order to commit an attack, you need resources, you need logistics, you need personnel. And to get that, you need communication. The one thing here that you got to count upon is the new yorker. The new yorker is different than anybody else. That person is observant, that person knows whats out of the ordinary, and one thing about new yorkers theyll take action independent of everybody. To see something, say something, a conundrum and situation. Lets talk about the venues. The u. N. Accustomed to having big security, but theres gonna be a lot of security there. The popes gonna be there. Right. Well, youre going to have when it comes to a head a state, thats the responsibility of the secret service, the primary responsibility. But the nypd is going to contribute for crowd control, theyre going to contribute for traffic control, theyre also weapons, heavy weapons, counterassault teams like that, and all the plainclothes officers in the crowd. When it becomes nonhead of states, where you now have people who are highranking officials of a government, lets say a foreign minister, v. I. P. Diplomats, et cetera, that will go into a unit most people dont know, and thats the state departments Diplomatic Security service, an elite group. Theyll take them and they will marry up with the Police Departments intelligence division. Theres gonna be situations a couple times, a couple situations where the pope is actually in the public eye, not just being transported with a heavy security guard. Hes gonna be in central park. We assume hes gonna be in the popemobile open to people. He wants to be able to see them. And along fifth avenue leading up to st. Pats and eventually to Madison Square garden for the big mass on friday night. Openaired situations, i assume, are a tougher security. You know, everything is tough. Openair space is the toughest. Remember, unlike somebody giving a speech, hes behind an altar, hes moving around, hes constantly fluid, and that even makes it difficult. But you know what . As difficult as it is, its going to go off without any problems. Youre predicting it right now. Lets talk about the average new yorker. What are we gonna feel because of all the security crackdown . You know, again, people think of new yorkers as abrasive and strident, but theyre not. Theyre very tolerant. They realize this is their city. You know, this is not only catholics and christians and jews and now i guess environmentalists. But everybody likes the pope, and you know what . No matter what about new yorkers, theyre going to be warm and theyre gonna be friendly. And theyre not only gonna embrace the pope and all the diplomatic core here from the u. N. , both friend and foe, but all the tourists. New yorkers are the best. Well, im glad you feel like that. You seem very friendly yourself, always have, nick, despite your coplike physique and everything else. One more thing. If the pope were a different who liked to be secure, in the popemobile, all security around him, this would be less complicated, i assume. It would be less complicated, but you know what . It doesnt mean that were gonna cut the details or stop the planning, you know. Thats not gonna occur. The key thing here is, you know, theres four people to watch. Bratton. You have bob sica, the head of secret service. You have diego rodriguez, whos now the head of the local office of the fbi, and you have management. I couldnt trust any four men okay. You heard it here. Nick, thanks for your insight. Very good. Nick casale, we appreciate it. Just ahead, were gonna go from security to the popes message. Who is this man . Whats he trying to do during his firstever visit to the u. S. . Coming up, we talk to father james martin, who, like his real name jorge mario bergoglio, and he has never been to the United States. It was, those who know him say, a conscious decision. At least in part, the u. S. Is part of the problem by much of the third world, and Cardinal Bergoglio strongly identifies with the problems of the third world hunger and poverty, unemployment, and high mortality rates. But he is coming here now, no longer known as bergoglio. Instead he is pope francis. He arrives on tuesday for a fiveday trip. He starts in washington with visits to the white house and congress, then comes to new york thursday afternoon, leaves on saturday morning. The final stop philadelphia. On sunday night. So, whats the message the socalled peoples pope will deliver . Joining us this morning, father james martin, a jesuit priest and author now of the abbey its a novel. Hes also editoratlarge for america magazine. Before we get to the pope, the abbey, a novel. Does the brief synopsis author author . Yeah, sure. Its my first novel. Its the story of ann, a woman in her 40s whose son has died tragically, and she finds healing and spiritual consolation after she meets a trappist abbot in a monastery outside of philadelphia. Based on some a little bit on true story . Based on a dream, actually. I had this very vivid dream, a sort of fully formed story, and i got up and i said, you know what . I think im gonna try to start writing that. Thats a novel. How long did it take you . Very short probably about six months. I started writing it, thinking, you know, i cant write fiction, story. I thought it would be an ebook, and then my publisher liked it, and now its out there. Well, good luck, good luck. Thank you. We didnt invite you for the book tour, but, you know, might as well get a plug in for it while youre here. Stop. Lets talk about the popes visit. You heard us talk to nick casale about the security issues. You know, this pope wants to go out and press the flesh and say hi to people and kiss hands and rub heads and all that stuff, right . He wants to be with the people. He does. And he said earlier at another trip that a mother does not visit her children in a glass box, basically, so i cant meet people and he actually likes to, you know, physically touch people and shake their hands and meet them, and he wants to get to know the United States and americans, and thats how hes gonna do it. You know, i remember when he was elected. We had you on the air and talking about it. Message. I think some of the things hes talking about income inequality, the environment, certainly the focus on the poor are threatening to people. But i think his overall message of mercy and compassion is something that i hope, you know, every catholic and every but isnt there something deeper, you know . Your order, the jesuits take a vow of poverty, right . And not every Catholic Cardinal and bishop or priest takes that vow. In fact, most dont in the United States. Well, thats true. I mean, priests and bishops are supposed to live simply, but religious orders take a vow of poverty in addition to chastity and obedience. And so bergoglio is a man who came up living very simply, and you see that now. He doesnt really kind of like fancy clothes. He lives in a very simple apartment, you know, rather than the apostolic palace. And so thats part of his makeup, and i think thats what people may be picking up on. And is there tension among bishops and cardinals and the pope about this . I mean, bishops and cardinals have checking accounts, and they have assets and possessions and money and all sorts of things. I think theres less tension about that in particular, cause i think they respect someone who lives simply and more, among some bishops, you know, the emphasis that hes placing on the poor, on income inequality, on the environment, you know. I always tell people, its like when a new boss comes into a company. I mean, you know, the new boss has a lot of different priorities than the old boss did, and i think theres a little tension there. We pulled a clip of you and i and liz cho covering the last pope, pope benedict, when he was at Yankee Stadium. There we are right there. It was kind of magical, and i would say the politics of benedict are not necessarily in keeping with a lot of politics, certainly jesuit politics and a lot of politics in new york. But the outpouring of emotion was wonderful of this man. One out of three people in new york city are catholics. This pope has touched people who are not catholics. He has gone outside the religion, and i think were gonna see a lot of people who are not catholics coming to see this guy. Well, and we already know a lot of people who arent catholic who really like him. Theres something about him that transcends these categories, and certainly political categories, but even religious categories. He was very comfortable when he was in argentina working with rabbis and imams and people from all different faith backgrounds, and he himself has also reached out to agnostics and atheists, which i think is totally appropriate. He was in cuba. Hes in cuba this weekend. And there are a lot of people who say that, you know, hes going there to really help put his stamp on this new d\tente, a new relationship, between the u. S. And cuba. He was the one who made a phone call to both president obama and ra`l castro, urging the embargo to be lifted. His visit perhaps, the vatican hopes, is gonna help lift that embargo. He gets in the middle of these things. He does. I mean, you know, the pope isnt overtly a political figure, but when he can help sort of reconcile and bring peace and bring harmony between countries, he will do that. And we have to remember, hes the first latin american pope. And so when he goes to cuba, hes going, you know, more or less as a native son who speaks the language, who can communicate with the cubans. So, i think, once again, its all to the good. Its also a reminder that the United States is not the center of the world, you know, for him. I mean, hes going to cuba first and then the United States. And as i said, he has never been here, consciously never been to the United States. This is his first trip. Yeah, i mean, that may just be, you know, kind of his background. Intentional that way, but he has been critical of what he called airport bishops you know, bishops that kind of fly all over the place. And so he was mainly, as i understood, in buenos aires when he was archbishop. Lets talk a little bit about what his legacy might be. I know its early on, but i read one vatican expert calling him the new Nelson Mandela bringing a new source of moral authority to the world. Thats weighty stuff, but i think he would probably embrace that. He might embrace it. I mean, i would say john paul was very much like that in terms historical world. My sense is his legacy, which is still kind of early, will be one of mercy and compassion and forgiveness. I mean, i think they see someone whos very merciful and reaching out, as you were saying, to people who have felt disenfranchised and disenchanted with the church. Hes turning 79, i believe, in december. He seems very vibrant, does not seem frail at all. Could be here for a while. He could. I mean, he also has one lung. And he said very honestly, you have. And hes a very free man, and i think hes free about even the jesuits supposed to be very free. I remember and ill never forget this, and we talked about it on the air at Yankee Stadium when benedict walked in front of us, you know, the procession you got so emotional, jim. I get very emotional. I mean, id never been that close to a pope before, and i thought you know, heres the successor of st. Peter, you know. Heres the vicar of christ on earth, you know, 10 feet away from us. So it was very beautiful, and i really respected him. He was a very different kind of pope, but, you know, very warm person and gave some beautiful homilies and particularly at Yankee Stadium. It was a great moment. Ill never forget it. He is going into situations that are potentially dangerous in central park, down fifth avenue. Do you worry at all . No, i really dont. I mean, as he does, i leave it up to the holy spirit. But again, he is very free. He has said publicly someone said, well, you cant do that. You know, youll be shot, god forbid, or hurt. He said, i dont care. Hes very free, and so hes the prototypical jesuit. Hes very free and detached, as we like to say. There is some debate, you know. He said, i dont want any kind of wall up on fifth avenue. I want to be able to touch people on fifth avenue. The secret service said, no, no, were putting up a wall. And it hasnt yet been decided, but he was very headstrong about this. Yeah, i dont know how much sort of say he has over the sort of individual cities. I know for example in philadelphia, where im from and i just visited they do have a wall. They have this kind of very big perimeter. I dont think he really knows about that. He probably just sort of arrives in the city, and its the local security, i think, that takes care of that. Okay, and your plans when hes here . Ill be helping out abc, abc network, and, you know, traveling with that group from d. C. To philly to new york. All right, father jim martin, thank you. Good to see you again. Thank you. Just ahead, were gonna switch topics, talk about politics, electoral politics. A closer look at the winners and losers in that republican president ial debate this past stay with us. The republican candidates for president this last week squaring off for their second debate, 11 of them on stage for the big debate. But one of them was the real target of all the rivals native new Yorker Donald trump. His response, his visceral response to attack people on their appearance short, tall, fat, ugly. I never attacked him on his look, and believe me, theres plenty of subject matter right there. I got to tell you the truth. They could care less about your careers. They care about theirs. You got Hillary Clinton to go to your wedding. Thats true. Because you gave her money. Maybe it works for Hillary Clinton, but it doesnt work for anybody on this stage. Jeb, i was a businessman. I was got along with clinton. I got along with everybody. And you were forced to file for bankruptcy not once, not four times. Why should we trust you . So, is the bluster getting old, or does donald trump have the political legs to keep riding this oneman rocket ship all the way to the nomination next summer . Jeanne zaino, Political Science professor at iona college, is here once again to offer her wise and astute insights. Does he have the legs to go, or is the air out of the bubble a little bit here . He seemed a little deflated after this one. I think he had a tough time because the subject matter Foreign Policy is not his forte. And so you look at somebody, compare him to somebody like marco rubio and even Carly Fiorina, who had an awful lot to say substantively about Foreign Policy, and there were times at which donald trump was saying things like, you know, im not quite sure, but once i get to the white house, ill know more and ill get back to you. So theres a lot of foreignpolicy experts out there flag. That said, he was very much the center of the debate, very much the subject of the debate, and the polls havent come out since the debate, so we dont yet know if he lost any ground there because he had some formidable opponents, from fiorina to rubio to even our own Chris Christie. They also, the other candidates, nontrump candidates seemed to change their tone a little bit. They were talking about they tried, anyway to talk about real issues when they werent giving each other a hard time. But they did try to talk about real issues, and they werent yeah, i think we saw them grow to a certain extent, many of them not all of them. Some of them had a tough time. Like scott walker didnt get much time in there, although he was strong at the beginning. But i think youre right. They tried to figure out a way to both get their message out there even though they were asked an awful lot of questions, kind of questions about trump said this about you. Do you want to respond . Or how do you respond to mr. Trump . So the moderators were certainly asking them to go there, and they tried to veer away to a certain extent, and i think they did for the most part, many of them, really came out of their shell at this one except for probably somebody like a scott walker, and jeb bush was very lackluster until the second half. When we saw the clip we just played, i saw you wince. You had a physical reaction to it, much like a lot of us did when trump talked to rand paul. And out of nowhere, right at the top of the debate, took a shot at his looks. And it seemed so unnecessary. It seemed so unnecessary. Its absolutely unnecessary and very much in keeping with this exactly what rand paul was talking about and others have talked about about his tendency to go there and talk about peoples looks and not for the american public, which is something i think, by the way, Chris Christie did very well. And, again, it was raised in the context of Carly Fiorina. I thought she had a really strong comeback to donald trump in terms of his comments in Rolling Stone about her looks. But its odd that he hasnt learned that this is not the place that he should be going, and we saw that, as you mentioned, front and center on the debate. As an aside, you wrote a very interesting little column about a short column about when women are the targets of that, when he said, youre beautiful, it reflected bad on trump, but it also doesnt reflect well on the victim just by how does that work . Yeah, weve seen in studies that both the person who makes the sexist comment and also the person who its being addressed to, both of them experience negative poll numbers as a result. And so its a lose lose situation for everybody involved, and i think very frustrating for so many people who are up there and so many women on the republican side who are rooting for Carly Fiorina to see her subject to this, although i have to say i thought she did a very good job handling it. Unfortunately, the fact that she has to handle it is going to probably hurt her in the polls, and its a real problem for women candidates. Sort of victimized twice. Ben carson in second place he did not have that strong of a debate, it seems to me. Didnt have that strong a debate, but it was very much in keeping with what he did the first time. And after the first time, his poll numbers went up, so it can be that he just has kind of an ability to kind of skate through this. We dont really know yet, but he was certainly very quiet, didnt have a lot to say, certainly didnt go on the attack, didnt score many points, and yet same thing in the first debate, and his poll numbers went up. Lets look at the democratic side very briefly in the minute we have left, jeanne. Biden to get in or not get in . Were hearing now that he might very well get in. Again, we dont know for certain, but there are signs that he may get in and that he has indeed gotten some bigtime obama bundlers with him. So, it is something that i think the Clinton Campaign really has to be cognizant of, and we could see a much more exciting first debate on the democratic side in a few weeks if indeed he gets in there. And yet the political differences between biden and clinton . Not much. Not that great, right . They both worked for obama or working for obama. They are very similar in terms of being moderate establishment candidates, so its curious what kind of path hes gonna follow to get to the nomination if indeed he does run. Hes probably gonna take away from Hillary Clinton. If he can bring somebody like a warren in, he maybe could score some points from bernie sanders, as well. It all certainly keeps political analysts and scientists fully in play, right . Fun, though. Fun. Thanks, jeanne. Jeanne zaino from iona college. On that note, thatll do it for this edition of upclose. If you missed any of todays program, you can catch it again on our website, abc7ny. Thanks for watching. Im bill ritter in for diana williams. And on behalf of all of us here at channel 7, enjoy the rest of
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