sensitive site expiration is done. to be thanks very much, we appreciate it. >> kristen o'leary is the former director of hostage recovery for the united states. he's a senior vice president of global affairs for the group. coming up, donald trump continues to take a page out of the authoritarian playbook as his legal troubles grow. i'll speak with the woman who wrote the book on authoritarian leaders. ruth joins me. then, with israel and hezbollah trading fire over lebanon's -- threatens to spill over into the region. we'll go to lebanon for the latest on the ground. plus, lbj and by the former vice prime minister of israel, another hour of velshi begins right now. good morning to you, it is sunday the 22nd. with wars regime between ukraine and russia, israel and hamas, and threatening to spill into other continents, global leadership is critical. we're facing our own crisis of democracy in her own home, one that is easy to overlook when the news of the world's war. legal peril facing the twice impeached, multiple e indicted former president seems to increase in recent days with the guilty pleas of these two high-level codefendants and the election interference case out of fulton county georgia. but the peril for our own system of governance is increasing to. as donald trump's own behavior continues to push dangerous lines, and the republican party continues to be largely beholden to him. and this moment of global crisis, americans and the world are looking to america's leaders for guidance. instead of inspiring confidence, our congress is more dysfunctional than it has been in more than 150 years since the civil war. that's because donald trump has broken the republican party. he is now trying to run the united states house by proxy. house republicans have not managed, in the 19 days since ousting their own speaker without a plan for what to do next, to elect a replacement to leave that body. on friday, the house republican conference voted by secret ballot to drop the election denial and trump acolyte, jim, jordan as nomination for speaker after jordan failed on his third floor vote. he set the record for having received the fewest votes as a majority nominee for speaker. while we can exhale a little bit now that jordan is out of the speakership, we should also consider that we were a hairs breath away from having somebody who voted to overturn the 2020 election, someone who allegedly urged vice president mike pence to throw out electoral votes. we really almost had that person as the speaker of the house. second in line to the presidency of the united states. that is a perilous place to be as a democracy. the threats not over. republican members receiving threatening members judges for not voting for trump's preferred candidate, jim jordan. the party scrambles to find somebody, anybody else for the job. eight of the ten republicans floated for the role so far are election deniers themselves. trump was fined this, week by the way, he was threatened with jail time by the judge in a civil fraud trial for trashing the judge's own clerk on social media. social media tax, provocative messages, strong-arm tactics. there are all the hallmark of trumpism. we've talked before on the show but the tactic of political martyrdom. how it serves trump, to frame himself as an embattled victim fighting on behalf of his followers. that's why this was really weird. he posted on social media site, truth social, a bizarre illustration. that is in the style of a courtroom sketch. it appears to show him, i have a hard time keeping this one story, it's serious. it shows him in court sitting alongside, upper sitting down for this, jesus christ. or at least a drawing of what the artist thinks jesus christ would've look like. donald trump literally invokes jesus in an effort to enough support for himself. it is clear that trump and trumpism continue to pose a mounting threat to this country. so whenever i see something that i just can't figure out when it comes to we are leadership tactics, i call ruth ben-ghiat. she is a historian and professor of history at nyu. she's the author up the loose newsletter which follows threats to democracy. she's the author of the book strongman, from mussolini the president. every time, ruth, i'm impressed by something. you have some historical parallel about someone who is invoking the same kind of imagery, or language. this one of jesus christ sitting next to donald trump in a courtroom was new to me. what do you make of it? >> yes, i am also smiling but it is very serious. silvio -- who is a very italian prime minister. he had over two dozen indictments when he was forced to step down. he was finally banned from running for office. he had numerous corruption trials over a dozen. he called himself the jesus christ of italian politics. he was the savior of the nation, against communism. he was also the murder, and he use the term, which adds. that prosecutors who, commies, perverts, they were after him. it's very similar, the language, the tactics, to what we're seeing here. >> i want to ask you about something that you wrote in an article for cnn in 2016. it's how to deal with trump's tweets. that was new to us all then. you said that trump broadcast his personal insults to millions. some who hear and read him a likely see themselves as bound to act on his behalf. in time, some of those men and women will come to see that they've been misled. you wrote this seven years ago. and your hope was that some people would see themselves as misled. do you think that's come to pass? that people a scene cells as miss? ladders is gotten worse? >> well, the thing that i wrote it about, it's the threats that ordinary citizens who were criticizing trump, and this is someone who's mussolini was the prime minister of a democracy for three years before he was dictator. he started this harassment and threatening of ordinary citizens. that's why i wrote the article. i also was looking to the republican party to see what they were going to do. we are at somewhat of an inflection point, both for the paralysis of the party, but it's very important that representatives like bacon and -- are speaking out against the threats that they in their family members have received. because, you know, threats against members of congress are up 400% since 2017, right? when i wrote that article. this is not a tentacle situation. so it's also interesting that the likely candidate now, for speaker, tom emmer, said he's going to run a positive campaign, and not have internal attacks. that may not go over very well because a sign of an autocratic party is that you don't only abandon pipe partisanship, you are also not tolerating any internal dissent. do you threaten anyone who attacks you, the party line, or the leader. >> amara, mchenry who is the acting speaker, and there's some talk about extending him. they're all described, even by democrats, assorted affable. you brought up don bacon, ken buck getting death threats, and effective, threatened with eviction, or maybe effective on his constituency office. don bacon said his wife sleeps with a loaded gun now beside her bed. just, is this a rubicon that has been crossed? i don't know. donald trump, as you have written since 2006, was making threats for very, very long time. now, you know, we call this -- when other people take action. this is one stop short of, that these are followers of donald trump who are making threats on his behalf. >> yes, that is, you know, the way i see this is the gop, unfortunately, has internalized the principles of the coup attempt. which is striking through violence. it's institutionalize line. you mentioned that so many of the candidates were speaker are election deniers. let's remember that endgame of election denial. which tommy tuberville has said openly is to convince americans that elections are not the way. not the way they should choose their leaders. so we get to a top russi. the threats that are being made, by the, way jim jordan, to my knowledge, has not announced any of the existence of these threats. quite the contrary. and so threat is a way that the gop now conducts politics as well as lying. institutionalize line. that's the side of an autocratic party. >> does it help, as you, said that some of these people have come out. here's the problem, a lot of people were voting for jim jordan in the house conference. then it went to a secret ballot. only 20 people spoke out against him publicly, and then more than 100 didn't vote for him when it was a secret ballot. there in lies the problem. a lot of people don't like shin jordan, a lot of people don't like the way he works. a lot of people don't want to believe this, that this maga cult has completely invited the republican congress. and, public are not prepared to say it. >> yeah, this is the tragedy. donald trump hasn't been an office for several years, and they're treating him like he is one of these people that have written about. like -- someone who can send them to jail, or murder them overnight. that is what the threats are for. by the way, you know, threatening members of your own party is yet another step integrating the whole me, all of parliaments in other countries that were called. the prestige of our bodine, you know, elected officials is diminished. it makes opposition politicians, these are the democrats in the scheme, they're easier to attack as well. it's like when tucker carlson got angry that ted cruz violated the party line because he called january six a domestic terror events. he called him on to his show, and what was so interesting and scary to me is that, you know, ted cruz's status as a senator had no relevance to tucker carlson. he just humiliated him on air, and you could see the fear and ted cruz's eyes. so diminishing the prestige of our elected officials is what this is about, to diminish the idea of democracy, and functioning governments that is democratic. >> how does this fix -- in other words, is at the same problem or different problem? now that this is become clear that this is a fight inside the republican party, and it's all playing out on the floor of congress, in the republican conference itself, is that good that now it's out in the open, and now they're going to have to confront this once and for all? >> yes. it is, it's terrible. it's a terrible time for this paralysis to be going on. i call this garbage politics. just, it goes with, you know, tuberville blocking all the military appointments, blocking diplomatic appointments. the idea is to show that democracy is incompetent doesn't work. the stakes are so high right now that it's actually not a bad thing that is playing out in public. this is why you see tom emmer's, i think there's a will is some people to change course. they know that this is the implosion of the party in ways that leave them in the future. >> we will watch closely to see how this develops. ruth, good to see you, as always. thanks very much for joining. us ruth ben-ghiat is a professor of history and why you any other the important books, strongman, from his leading to the present. all right, still ahead, i'll be joined by congressman. he is the ranking democrat on the foreign affairs committee. a particularly important committee right now given the tensions between israel and the iran-backed hezbollah military group are threatening to escalate. we'll send back to lebanon to discuss. that then going to speak with someone he knows is really foreign policy better than. most upbeat with me is the former vice prime minister of israel, and a former foreign minister of israel. she joins me. you're watching msnbc. you're watinchg msnbc. do you struggle with occasional nerve aches in your hands or feet? try nervive nerve relief from the world's number one nerve care company. nervive contains ala to relieve nerve aches, and b-complex vitamins to fortify healthy nerves. try nervive. and, try nervive pain relieving roll-on. this morning, the israeli prime minister, netanyahu, is sending a warning to husband, out the iran-backed militant group based in lebanon. he told troops in northern israel, quote, if hezbollah war, it will miss the second lebanon war. that would be its biggest mistake ever. we will cripple, and with the force that cannot even imagine, and quote. comes off after the heollah official said that israel would pay the price if it initiated a ground offensive in the gaza strip. claiming the group is already, quote, in the heart of the battle. and quote. well that ground evasion of gaza hasn't started, israel has conducted aerial strikes across the region. not just in gaza, but most recently, and the occupied west bank. overnight, israel launched an air raid on an underground compound in a mosque in the town of jenin that it believes contained a terror cell. joining me now from lebanon is nbc news foreign correspondent, matt bradley, who is very familiar with the region. was actually in jenin where that moscow is, back in july. matt, give me some context on this, please. >> in jenin, when you talk about the kind of exasperated conflict, jeannine is the west bank. the west bank is notll by hamas, which controls the gaza strip. it is controlled mostly by the palestinian authority. the city of jenin. which has that refugee camp that had those airstrikes today, that is not actually controlled even by the palestinian authority or her mass. it is kind of a land of it zone, it is controlled by a patchwork of different resistance groups, including palestinian jihad, hamas, some elements of different groups. you know, also the palestinian authority. it's kind of a rare island that has no real control. the risks, when you talk about air strikes, is that you're going to increase the already substantial solidarity and support in the west bank for hamas and other resistance groups. this is to something that could be uncontrolled. right now, the palestinian authority, the those palestinian groups in the west bank, they are tempering the situation. they are kind of working with israel. that could change. groups that are opposed to the palestinian authority, groups in favor of hamas, they could rise up if the population there becomes more frustrated. so far, since october 7th, we've already seen more than 90 people killed in the west bank. more than 1000 people arrested. this is according to palestinian and israeli officials. if you start to see an increase in the number of deaths, the number of people arrested, what looks like increased oppression in the west bank, you could get a new wave of militant groups rising up. there were already there, they could be empowered by what looks like the treatment of the israelis in the west, palestinians in the west bank looking more like the way israelis treated palisades the gaza strip. that would be good for anyone. >> where you are, in lebanon, you pointed out, i think was a couple nights, ago i've watched so much of your stuff. hezbollah is not hamas. just so people understand. the backing is sort of a separate issue. hezbollah's much more trained and experienced, hardened military group. in a way. they have more sophisticated weaponry, and arms. they have access to a lot more. >> that's right. they have, the big thing they have that hamas in the gaza strip doesn't have, they have directed missiles. the music those missiles can fly further, that can be more accurate, they can be used in a way that they can't in the gaza strip. the fact, is the gaza strip is still, for the last 17, years and has been hemmed in by a blockade. they don't have access to advanced weaponry. whereas, has blood. does hezbollah has ministers in the government here in lebanon. they have a huge parliamentary bloc. their leaders enjoy freedom of movement not just to lebanon, but the world. they can come and go as they please. they control, airports ports here on the mediterranean sea. they have access to all these things. also, the hezbollah fighters, we don't know how many they. are there are tens of thousands of them. they're disciplined. they're more like a real military. they've been fighting a real war in neighboring syria for the better part of the last decade. if hezbollah were to enter into the fight, it could be as one mom i spoke to here said could be armageddon. he's not affiliated with hezbollah, they said that they take the temperature here. he's a really good judge of what's going on. here's what he told me. >> do you think that hezbollah would prevent israel from intervening gaza? >> [interpreter] today, israel's determines, is afraid, and it's worry that hezbollah will get involved in israel were to enter gaza from the ground. >> now, this imam said that it was hezbollah alone that so far prevented the israelis from moving in with full force into the gaza strip. this much anticipated ground offensive we've been hearing about so much. the fact is, that could change at anytime. it has, as blah is poised and ready. we're hearing increasingly threatening tones, threatening language from both sides of the line from here in lebanon, and from the israelis says you mentioned in the last hour. netanyahu was just saying that hezbollah would eventually be destroyed if he decided to cross the line into story, attack northern israel. >> thank you so much. your experience it at the knowledge of the region is really valuable to us. matt bradley, joining us from the ancient city of tire and lebanon. the violence between israel and hamas has renewed the age-old question, what is the way forward? 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(♪♪) the possibility of the war between israel and hamas is spiralling into a broader conflict. it gets stronger by the day. the syrian ministry of defense says that israeli warplanes targeted international airports that damascus and aleppo earlier this morning. on saturday, israel announced a plan of evacuation plans for 14 communities near the border with lebanon, who we were just talking to matt bradley. the fighting there continues to, i don't know if it intensifies, or it's remaining steady between hezbollah fighters on the lebanon side, and the israeli military. hezbollah's deputy leader warned that israel would, in his words, pay a high price if it launched a ground offensive into gaza. in the south, tens of thousands of israeli troops continue to gather at the gaza border in anticipation of a pending ground invasion. israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu met with his can today to discuss that planned invasion. military spokesperson said the associated press that israel planned to step up airstrikes in gaza and preparation for the, quote, next stages of the war. for people who have occupied the highest levels of the israeli government, the current situation as one matter. . the long term prospects for adorable pieces an entirely separate and seemingly intractable matter. well as few doubt israel's tactical ability on the ground forces, hamas avoiding a war with hezbollah, iran, possibly israel's arab neighbors is of paramount importance. for more on these developments, i'm joined by jim b. loopy. she is the former foreign minister for -- good to see you again. thank you, as always, for taking the time to be with us. i want to talk about the future. you have been involved in various times and thinking about what the long term future is for israel, and the palestinians, and the region. we don't know much about, you know, everything i know about what's happening with the potential ground invasion, and i just told our audience. what else is happening. is there something happening behind the scenes that have longer term objectives then just hamas in the hostages? >> no, unfortunately not. i mean, israel needs to continue its attacks. you know, in order to dismantle the leader in power of hamas. i would like to say a few things also about the situation in lebanon. the common denominator between these two groups, because we are speaking about two terrorist organizations. on the one hand, they are acting like terrorists. on the other, they have something that is called, in political part, that is abusing the situation, and the allowing their military power to stay in power. now he's representing the interests of lebanon. this is the proxy of iran. hamas doesn't represent the aspiration of the police. they're legitimate. they're speaking and long term, and it seems like the belief that the only way to -- the palestinian based on the idea to states for two peoples. hamas is an obstacle. they are not looking forward, they are not fighting for the palestinian state. they are fighting against the existence of the state of israel. if you look at the palestinian authority on one side, the purpose of the national compact, we have a national conflict with the palestinians, but -- their allegiance, the interest of those on both sides, between israel and the palestinians, is to take a mass out of this equation. there is no -- and this is something that needs to be clear. >> the problem, isn't joe biden alluded to this the other day. that is america and afghanistan after 9/11. let's take you at your word, that's there is no peace with hamas. vacuums don't work, right? so in the, and what happens next? because as you and i discussed one week ago, there has been an effort for a long time to diminish the importance and effectiveness of the palestinian authority as a negotiating partner for israel, but that, is that viable again? what happens? you get rid of hamas and you have a whole bunch of people -- >> i want to be honest. a recent debate within israel, the two states where two people, it's feasible or acceptable. this is something that they need to decide. hamas is an obstacle. not because i say so, we don't need to learn the lessons for the u.s. experience. we have our own lessons. when we drove this from gaza strip in 2005, we decided to pull out our forces, dismantle the settlements. there is no one israeli soldier who invaded the west bank, within gaza strip, since 2006. hamas took over and the palestinian authority left. they thought this is what's left, because all the other operations and gaza strip, one ended with the deterrence worldwide. the other ended with an agreement with hamas. is not enough. they do not exist. they do not accept our systems. therefore, it's a matter of time. i, mean for now, we are focusing on defending our own citizens. after this -- >> i know for a fact, just because you and i have talked for, years i know for a fact that you are not somebody who thinks over the next three weeks, the next three months, you've got to think about the next three years or 30 years. when i was on the ground in israel last week, what does that look like? >> therefore, i think that the entire internet community, including the -- they can think about the day after. it's clear that hamas shouldn't be in the gaza strip. israel doesn't want to be occupied the gaza strip. we don't want to control them. therefore, what's next? who can control gaza leadership? the palestinian authority, until, now and they're trying to do so and other operations, to check with them, whether they are strong enough, or whether they do want to control gaza strip. it's part of their people, who live there. until, now they will not be willing to do so. it's the wall of each, at the palestinian authority, maybe others in the region, maybe others can play a role. to start talking, and thinking now about the day after. nobody in israel wants this and gaza to be just another -- >> as seen this before. >> i guess the question then -- >> as i -- >> i'm sorry to have interrupted, you we have a bit of a delay. >> i'm sorry that the discussion on the meeting with president biden in the region, i hope that the u.s. and other stakeholders, including israel, we'll start this discussion about the day after. i think it's crucial. otherwise, the options for israel will be to stay, we don't want to be there. or to, at the end of this war, to pull out our forces. this is something that -- the palestinians, the regions. >> the guardian is reporting something that you know from israeli media, at the guardian is reporting the former israeli military political and intelligence officials are expressing doubts over the leadership of benjamin netanyahu. some are actively calling for his resignation. we've seen that in newspaper editorials in the last couple of weeks. they're describing the government as dysfunctional. >> listen, i'm calling for the resignation of netanyahu for many years now, for different reasons. not just this one. now, before, i am quite happy. it's about the opposition joining what is called the war cabinet, because i trust them more than others. both of them, the chief of staff, of israel, and other views. the extreme part of the current government. so in times of war, sometimes -- from my perspective, netanyahu shouldn't be the prime minister of israel anymore. >> zippy, love me thank you for continuing your conversation. we are at a point where we can talk about the day after fairly soon. you are the former israeli vice prime minister. still, ahead -- say that the republican party inability to elect a speaker is in no uncertain terms, endangering american foreign policy in the middle east. he joins us next. he joins us next you know that feeling of having to rewash dishes that didn't get clean? 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that where the position, is is on the israel side of the israel egypt border. it is not inside gaza, it is to the south of gaza. sort of at the corner of work gaza, israel and egypt meet. of course, and in times like this, of heightened stress and heightened tension. these things can be very dangerous, and i want to welcome in the studio, the democratic congressman, gregory meeks of new york. he represents the states fifth congressional district location located in queens, new york, and it is a top democrat on the house foreign affairs committee. congressman, great to see, you thank you for being with us. we were just talking in the commercial break about the conversation i was just having with zippy live any, premised or visceral, someone who might want to be a prime minister of israel. and it is the hardest moment to get to the conversation of next. the conversation of, how does this look for peace, for israelis, and four palestinians. i was on the ground in israel, israelis were telling me this. we need this to end in a way that does not have me back there in five years reporting on the same thing, or in ten years. and yet that does seem to be how it goes. >> yeah. i found the same thing. this is real, i talk to israelis, and i've talked to palestinians. they all want peace. and i think that what we've got to talk about, clearly, you can't talk about that with hamas. hamas is there for one reason, they want instruction of israel. so it is hard to talk to someone when they want your destruction. but if you look at the region, you've got to get others involved. diplomacy is always best when there's multiple people off. and i think an example is when you look at egypt in jordan. it was once upon a time with them, we had the main wars which was the israelis in egypt. but then, it came to a time to say, egypt said, israel has the right to exist. jordan's, as israel has the right to exist. and then there can be dialoguing conversation about how you can get peace, and you can ease some of the tension, and we need some of the other countries in the region to say, and what i look at now, when you look at gaza as it is. once yougerid of hamas, it has to be rebuilt. and that nearby needs to have, whether it's egypt, whether it's saudi arabia, whether it's bahrain, whether it's the uae. all of them involved. and now this investment going into it so that these children, i visited a lot of young kids when i was in palestine the last time. but all they want to do is have the education and be able to live in peace, same as on the other side. but when you get these tensions, as you had with hamas, and folks saying israel as no right to exist. that is hard to have peace. and i think that's the direction that we have to move, and that's diplomacy, the united states has to be engaged in trying to bring those sides together. and that's one of the reasons why i've been a big proponent of the so-called abraham accords, because it lets others say israel has the right to exist, and the conversation about how do we help advanced and create a better life for the palestinians. >> the problem is, the problem of the abraham accords that there were no palestinians invoed. so you laid out something very interesting about how this could end. but there is no palestinian voice, and the argument is that, if you can't talk to hamas, this is the conversation was having with zippy living. to whom do you talk that actually involves the people who are being governed. >> you're right, even with a boss, he is kind of a weak leader. news we have to have others. will you see is these proxies that airplane in the region. and they all say, because they all talk about the palestinians -- >> everybody in the region talks about that. >> but nobody doves. that's hard to get done in the game, and making sure to help them help decide and help bring the palestinians. there >> which remember, because remember very well the iraq war. but you remember that sometimes america goes in and says, we can rebuild, we can build civil society, we can build infrastructure, we can do these things. we can do with partners. and then, another someone credible for them to believe in follow, they're gonna have to directly address the problem of palestinians who feel like they live under the thumb of somebody. >> that is correct. that is been the case, how you start on this before, the brits were the colonial power in palestine at the time. so you need to make sure that they are involved, you also need to -- it can't be just america. and that's why i think others in the region are critically important. >> and there by a large portion of what goes into invest does not necessarily come from america, who is, we have muslims, we have questions, we have juice, we have everybody. but those regions have to be involved in invest in it also. and, then it is a multiplier, because when i talk to the people palestine, the only thing that cannot happen is as they see it, as i talk to them, that is the big question we do have to cause is the right of return. and that is the extra. >> that is very important. many of us traced back to 1940 east, they removed from their homes, and israel guarantees a right of return to anyone who can demonstrate they are chilly. >> this does not include a new to censor palestine. >> that's correct. that's the major problem. on the hill this week, i was talk across the week in a palestinian woman came up to me, wanting and begging for cease-fire, et cetera. and we are only working when hamas stance sending rockets over also. and i say, how do we get peace? and she tells me about the land that her parents and her family had, and she wants that back. that, in my estimation, is not going to happen. so we've got to realize and try to figure out how we get past that. i think that's a large stumbling block that we have, with the palestinians itself. and the question of right of return. because they are eliminating a jewish state. and if you look at the jewish people who've been pushed around, around the continent -- >> it's easier to empathize. you gotta be a couple pamphlets or books to get it done, and i worry we're not doing that. >> i agree with you on. that >> standby, because not of this getting done, even if it's not getting done, it's not gonna double the american supporters and put. we have a bit of a problem that with congress. so representative gregory meeks staying with us, we're gonna take a quick break, we'll be right back. take a quick break, we'll be right back right back his #2s are perfect! he's a brand new dog, all in less than a year. when people switch their dog's food from kibble to the farmer's dog, they often say that it feels like magic. but there's no magic involved. 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in congress, which couldn't come at a less convenient time. the house of representatives ought to have plenty on its legislative. instead, it's entering its 19th date without a house speaker, and there is no clear indication of who the next speaker will be. still with me in studio, new york congressman gregory meeks, the top democrat on the house foreign affairs committee. congressman, i am out of adjectives on what to say about the house. it was one thing, when the republicans were sort of flirting with being anti democratic. but this is just dysfunctional. this is just rules, and basic stuff. this is not even about ideology and politics. >> this is unbelievable. novel in the history of the country have we had this kind of madness. where we cannot have a functioning house of representatives. look. we, for the last 17, 18 days, leader jeffries in the democrats have been saying, let's find a bipartisan way forward. let's open the government. not a lot of demands, or thing like that, some basic things. let's make sure that we are able to vote on the supplemental that the president is put forward. let's make sure we have a baseline it was agreed upon by both of us to have a debt ceiling is that we know with the dollars, arms that we can do the kinds of things that we. need >> this is the basic functioning government. >> that's it, that's all we're talking about, it is not high-end. we said that we will be ready to work for, and to do those things. and it seemed as though we would've cooperated with mchenry if he had to be there for those in a longer period of time. we can open up the government, november 17th is right around the corner. devoted to all americans, with your democrat, american, all republican, if in fact government shuts down, the republicans have chosen, primarily led by the maga republicans, that they want nothing to do with democrats and they want to stopover that agreement is. >> so you, jeffrey's, anything should happen, and you have to bite your tongue a little bit and say you saw this problem. >> that's right, it's them under civil war, and their civil war is like, i gotta put it this way. it's like kings. they've got these little gangs that are fighting among one another within the republican party, they are fighting for their own turf, here and there, but how do you resolve the interest in these gangs, and the civil war that they're having among themselves. and this point, it is who knows. maybe we should go, and i think the jordan race, when it was both public and private, maybe they should just have -- >> very interesting, in public, jordan had a lot more support when they went to a secret ballot. >> that's right. and then a collapsed. >> they've secret balanced ballots, and they can have some kind of decision. and then they know of who the speaker is. and then i think, in a large part, this is why jordan was dangerous, it is hard to have someone who is the speaker, who represents, he is third in line to the presidency. where that person was part of the insurrection, trying to overturn the government of united states of america. >> in a moment we have to express leadership to the rest of the world. >> and they're like, great to see you, we could have a long conversation, i will become, back as always. democratic congressman gregory meeks of new york, that does it for me. you can catch me back here next weekend from 10 am to noon. you are going to catch somebody here next week, and i'm actually going to plan a vacation. but please watch the show, don't forget, velshi is available as this, check out later for free wherever you get your podcasts. stay right where you are, inside with jen psaki begins right now. ns right now. >> israel steps up preparations for a ground offensive in gaza. to trump allies have plead eels in georgia. and republicans keep trying to keep failing to pick a speaker. it has been an absolutely head spinning week of news, and former white house chief of staff is standing by with 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