but let me tell you about something. i'm against jews or anybody else who puts the interests of some other place over our own country. >> not opposed to all jews. something said, actually said in a senate debate stage in the year 2016. today's louisiana senate debate took place in an empty auditorium at a historically black college called dillard university in new orleans. students at dillard protested. there aren't arrests. some people were reportedly pepper sprayed by university police as they tried to protest outside the debate hall. but inside david duke assured us all he is not against all jews. happy 2016. that does it for us tonight. we will see you again tomorrow. now it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." good evening, lawrence. >> rachel, the debate was even worse than you presented. we're going to present -- i was going to use the word "highlights." we're going to present excerpts of this debate, this david duke debate coming up. and he attached himself to donald trump as if donald trump was his running mate. donald trump really was his running mate in that room tonight. >> that's to whom he credits his success in the senate race this far. >> absolutely. thank you, rachel. we will bring you those excerpts from the ugliest debate of the year. this makes the donald trump performances look elegant compared to david duke. but first, how republicans in the battleground states can stop donald trump. >> we have six days. six days. >> time enough to tell your family you love them and make your peace with god. >> we're going to pretend we're down. we're down. pretend, right? >> it's gotten more competitive. but hillary clinton is still over 270. >> she shouldn't be allowed to run. >> imagine it is donald trump standing in front of our capital and taking the oath of office. >> he says he'll be his own foreign policy adviser because he has a good brain. >> this is one sick puppy. >> if you vote for hillary, you're a grown-up. >> stupid people, stupid people. >> if you vote for trump, you're a sucker. >> right. >> that's so nice. >> he is very cavalier about using nuclear weapons. his rhetoric is off the wall on this topic. >> it's not actually. >> i think right here you're being delusional. >> no, i'm not. i'm not being delusional. >> it's strange how over time what is crazy gets normalized. >> anybody want to go swimming? let's go. >> what are we thinking of doing here? >> six days away. >> no side tracks, donald. nice and easy. >> this is "the last word on campaign 2016." >> tonight in many battleground states across the country, the voters who are standing between donald trump and the presidency are republican never trump voters. the never trump movement was left for dead by the political republican early voters in florida are voting for hillary clinton. that is the only tracking survey with actual early voting results in florida. the only one. that same survey combined with likely voter election day polling predicts that hillary clinton will win 48% of the vote in florida to donald trump's 40%. that winning margin would obviously contain a very large republican vote against donald trump. hillary clinton is campaigning in arizona tonight where at this point, four years ago, president obama didn't have a chance against mitt romney, who won arizona with a 9-point margin over president obama. a new cnn poll shows donald trump only five points ahead of hillary clinton in arizona, with donald trump at 49. hillary clinton at 44. that same poll shows john mccain 13 points ahead of his democratic challenger ann kirkpatrick. with john mccain at 54 and ann kirkpatrick at 41. so about 5% of the people who are voting for john mccain for senate are also voting for hillary clinton for president. the clinton campaign announced today it's almost doubling their television ad buy in arizona, spending over a million dollars in just the last week. the clinton campaign has 33 field offices in arizona that will be working to get out the vote. the trump campaign is not making a similar effort in arizona. arizona republic reporter dano wiki told "the washington post" trump doesn't have much of a ground operation. and it seems like trump isn't interested in investing money here. trump mostly is relying on personal appearances and earned media there is a similar polling problem for donald trump in wisconsin. in wisconsin, a new marquette poll out today shows hillary katie, it's hard to think about where this campaign would be tonight without a never trump movement among republicans. >> well, one of the reasons so many of us oppose trump in the primary, lawrence, is we really thought donald trump would be the weakest republican candidate in a general election. and i think we're seeing that play out. we're seeing hillary clinton having, you know, a horrible closing week on this campaign and still donald trump isn't able to close the deal because he is viewed by so many independent and soft republican voters, and even some really hard republican voters who view him as appalling and unacceptable. and i think if any of the other candidates had prevailed, they would be winning this thing in a landslide. >> let's listen to donald trump in florida today where in the middle of his speech, he starts talking to himself. and then, of course, says hillary clinton is unhinged. let's watch this. republicans -- well, all republicans. i don't know anybody that is undecided really at this point that is not a republican. but have i talked to people who were kind of on the fence. and this whole thing with clinton has kind of reinforced, you know, 20 years of hatred that has built up against hillary clinton. and there are people that are feeling like, well, i'm going to hold my nose. i don't like donald trump. but i'm going to hold my nose because hillary clinton is just so corrupt. the problem for trump is that he was only at about 79% of republican voters two weeks ago. and he needs to be at like 94 or 95% of republican voters if he is going to be competitive. mitt romney had 93% of republican voters and still lost the election. i don't think donald trump can close that gap. particularly among republican women. we've seen in poll after poll after poll where he is underperforming with republicans. it's largely among republican women. and it may just be that he is terrible. he is everything you say about him. but at least he is not hillary clinton. and katie is right. the fact that he cannot close the deal at this point is really a sign of his disadvantages. because you can certainly imagine that any other republican given the events of last week, given the obamacare, the e-mails, the anti-clinton sensibility out there that any other republican would be closing and sealing the deal. i don't think he is going to be able to do it. >> let's listen to hillary clinton tonight talking about donald trump. >> the thing that is so shocking to me is no matter who you are, what your background is, if you don't fit into a very narrow category of people that he can relate to, then somehow you don't have a part in trump's america. that really bothers me. >> katie, that's her message in nevada tonight. >> yeah. and i think that as charlie mentioned, there are a lot of groups that feel that one of the reasons that i think women have pulled away from trump from early on is this sense that if you don't look like a victoria's secret super model, you don't have any value as a woman. if you aren't sort of a wealthy white american like donald trump, then you're a loser. you're a failure. and you don't fit in trump's america. i sort of agree with that sentiment. and i don't think that's a democrat sentiment. i think it's a sentiment that a lot of people are feeling when they hear the rhetoric from donald trump's mouth and they hear what many of his supporters are saying. and i think it's troubling. >> all right. we're going to have to leave there it. take a break. charlie sykes, thank you very much for joining us tonight. we really appreciate it. katie, we're going to need you for another discussion coming up. next we have breaking news from louisiana. the senate debate there is a debate unlike anything you have ever seen on a political stage. white supremacist david duke was on that stage. i can't repeat the things he said on that stage. we'll be right back with some excerpts from that debate. >> we're getting outnumber and outvoted in our own nation. unless we stand up now, our children have no future. infinite scalability. the microsoft cloud helps our customers get up and running, anywhere in the planet. wherever there's a phone, you've got a bank, and we could never do that before. the cloud gave us a single platform to reach across our entire organization. it helps us communicate better. we use the microsoft cloud's advanced analytics tools to track down cybercriminals. this cloud helps transform business. this is the microsoft cloud. suppositories for relief in minutes and stool softeners for comfortable relief of hard stools. dulcolax, designed for dependable relief former klu klux klan leader david duke is running for senate in louisiana with donald trump as his running mate. >> the only man the media hate morse than donald trump is me. they hate trump and me because they oppose the massive immigration that will destroy america. we've got to protect american jobs and industry. we defend our heritage. trump even says we should say merry christmas instead of the pc garbage. the media says he sounds like me. but you know what? we both simply sound like you. vote for trump for president. david duke pour the u.s. senate, and let's take america back. >> david duke was on stage for united states senate debate tonight. at dillard university, a historically black university. david duke reached the 5% polling threshold for being included in the debate by getting 5.1% in the polls. debate organizers did not allow students the general public, or journalists anyone into that auditorium for the debate. but protests gathered outside to protest david duke's presence. here is what happened when the moderator tried to get david duke to respond to a question about taxes. >> would you not interrupt me and give me my time look, you're not one of the debaters here. i'm sorry, mr. snell. gave me a chance and you're interrupting me. >> i'll let you rebut, sir. federal prosecutors said -- >> see, you're not a moderator. you're a typical media -- >> we're going to move on. mr. flemming, go ahead. your time. >> you're going to silence me? you're going to prevent me from answering this question? >> i'd like you to answer the question. >> that's the problem in this country. the media is deciding who our candidates are no, sir, no, sir. you're a hypocrite. >> mr. flemming you have the floor. >> i was going to answer the question if you gave me the chance. you didn't give me the chance. >> mr. flemming has the floor. >> the truth is anybody who stands up in this country tells the truth what is happening to our country, we're losing our country. anybody who does that is going to be a target of the media just like donald trump. >> all right. we have to move on. >> watch what is happening to donald trump. >> joining us now, david corn, the washington bureau chief from mother jones and jonathan capehart, an opinion writer for "the washington post" and an msnbc contributor. he is also host of a new podcast called cape up. well, jonathan, it strikes me as no surprise that david duke is basically declaring that his running mate is donald trump. >> right. not at all a surprise. i mean, what donald trump has done is taken the david duke message, blown it out of uisiana and put it not only on the national stage for people to talk about and consider, but turned it into the nomination, the republican nomination for president. and so david -- because david duke had someone out there spouting his beliefs with a national mega phone, he decided hey, let me come out of retirement and run for senate. >> if you think the benghazi committees might have been a little bit out of control, listen to david duke tonight talking about hillary clinton. >> look at trump and the neo cons. we have a cabal in this government that literally controls our foreign policy. syria is a country with 3 million christians. syria is a secular government, nonjihadist. it was just admitted by clinton that our government has been supporting saudi arabia which she admits was supporting isis. the lady should be getting the electric chair being charged for treason. >> david corn, i can't even think of a question. >> well, you know, what donald trump has done is normalize a little kinder, gentler version of david dukism. trumpism is very much like dukism. look at what he has done. he gave a speech recently in which he railed against the conspiracy of international bankers. that used to be code word for jewish people. donald trump said we should keep muslims out of this country. this arch bigotry in which david duke and the kkk supremacists are all for. paul ryan, the number one republican, elected republican in the land said that donald trump was making racist comments when he called a federal judge a mexican because his parents came from mexico. so you have racism, bigotry, and hints of anti-semitism, all in things that donald trump has said during this campaign. so it's no wonder that david duke said huh, i see an opportunity here. >> donald trump's lock her up, she should be in jail to david duke translates to she shoul be getting the electric chair. >> well, don't forget that some of trump's key supporters have called for hillary clinton to be killed and barack obama too. >> let's listen to david duke talking about jewish people. >> i'm not opposed to all jews. i think there is a lot of great -- there are a lot of jew is honor. let me tell you something, i'm against jews or anybody else that puts the interest of some other place and some other country over our own country that is controlling and dominating the media which is teaching black people and inspiring black people to hate white people and inciting them to violence like the black lives matter. >> your time has expired. >> that's my issue. >> jonathan capehart, that has been his issue for a long time. >> yes. it's like the golden oldies with david duke. back to his original play list. i mean, look, the idea that he got 5.1% in a poll that allowed him to be on that stage, and to spout so much rage, so much venom says a lot about where the country hopefully isn't going, where the republican party seems to be, where its nominee has made it possible for someone like david duke, who we all thought had gone off, slithered off and taken his hate with him elsewher figured that it was fine to pop back up. i watched parts of the debate, not the entire debate. because there is only so much rage and hate i can deal with in any one day. but the idea that this man has a platform and he is standing on the stage with other people who very well might be infinitely more capable to be a senator from the great state of louisiana, the fact that he is sharing the stage with them is really -- i mean, it's -- lawrence, i'm almost at a loss for words here what this means for the country. >> and the trump campaign has had some real screaming anti-semites in its audience and at its rallies. let's look at this guy at a trump event yesterday in miami. a trump supporter yelling at protesters yesterday and the press, yelling at the media yesterday. let's listen to this. >> you're an embarrassment to your profession. you're an embarrassment. you sell out for a few shekels. for a few shekel, you sell out. >> david corn, you sell out for a few shekels. that's a trump supporter. >> and there was a trump supporter shouting jew su at the media event a couple days back. what we see with david duke here, though, there is an extremism within the republican base itself. some polls show a majority view of republicans believed in the birther conspiracy which i would call a racist notion, believed in the muslim ban, which i would call an act of bigotry. and also believed that obama is not a christian. he is a muslim. partly because he is black. there is the republican party has played footsie. donald trump is exploiting it if not encouraging it. duke, while he sat 5%, the fact that these other notions are majority position within the republican party. and that donald trump is close to perhaps being elected president shows that there is a lot of racism, hatred and big industry out there that the republican party is using as fuel. >> david corp. and jonathan capehart, thank you both for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. >> thanks, lawrence. the trump campaign is hoping that melania trump can help with their campaign to win women voters. she is going to give her first campaign speech tomorrow. that's next. even a rodent ride-along. 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>> because a mother, she's got it. a mother just does it. she's got your -- she feeds you and teaches you. she protects you. she takes care [ bleep ]. a great father can give a kid 40% of his needs, top. 40%. tops out at 40%. >> yes, yes. but that's optimistic. yeah. >> that's optimistic. any mother [ bleep ] just a not even trying mother, 200%. she can't -- >> speaking of mothers, melania trump will go to pennsylvania tomorrow and deliver her first speech of the campaign. she did deliver a speech at the republican convention, but that wasn't hers. that one was plagiarized from michelle obama apparently by melania trump's speech writer. 12 whole weeks ago, donald trump promised that melania trump would have a press conference about two weeks from then, which would have been ten weeks ago. a press conference where she would prove that she has always observed the immigration laws of this country. but the trump campaign decided not to do that. the trump campaign continues to refuse to release any of the documents that could actually prove melania trump's legal immigration history. in the final days of this campaign, both the clinton campaign and the trump campaign want voters to think about who donald trump really is. here is the trump campaign's picture of donald trump. >> the american moment is here. two choices. two americas. decided by you. donald trump will bring the change we're waiting for. america, better, stronger, more prosperous for everyone. a plan for tomorrow. a future brighter than our past. the choice is yours. >> and here is the clinton campaign's picture of donald trum ♪ >> putting a wife to work is a very dangerous thing. when i come home and dinner is not ready, i go through the roof. grab them by the [ bleep ]. and when you're a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. i'd look her right in that fat ugly face of hers. >> she ate like a pig. >> a person who is flat chested is very hard to be a 10. >> do you treat women with respect? >> i can't say that either. >> all right. very good. >> joining us now, careen jean-pierre, for moulin.org and a former deputy campaign manager for martin o'malley's 2016 campaign and back with us strategist katie packer. karene, they used donald trump's words and kellyanne conway say that is a very, very unfair ad. >> the best ads that hillary clinton has had is when she uses donald trump's words o. because there is nothing -- there is nothing better than the facts, right? the actual words that donald trump has used. look, here is the thing. women are not stupid. they know exactly who donald trump. he is the guy because of his candidacy, we have to spend the last 18 months listening to him call us pig, call us fat, call us sluts and also demean our bodies, saying disgusting things about our body. and the most important and dangerous and scariest thing is the sexual assault, right, the history of sexual assault and him bragging on it, about it on tape. so we know exactly who he is. and, you know, the video that they played for him saying oh, introducing who the real donald trump is. no. that is not -- that is not who he has shown himself to be. when we look at the tapes, when we hear the howard stern radio tapings, and also we have to remember the producers of the "the apprentice" have said themselves have, been on record there is actually worse things that he has said that mgm has not released. >> katie, the trump ad say apparently their ad reaching out to women. and their definition that of is there is nothing in the content of it. it just shows a woman voting for donald trump. >> you know, they have been very, very tone deaf about what it is that women are concerned about in this election. and have really missed the point that women by and large have sort of made up their mind about trump about who he is. when i hear those words out of donald trump's mouth, i imagine my 17-year-old niece hearing that. my 11-year-old niece hearing that. my 20 and 21-year-old nieces hearing that. and the way that it forms how they view themselves when they hear somebody like that that is so influential, that is so demeaning and degrading to women. and we see him being elevated by the republican party. it's not just an affront to women of america, but it's an affront to many, many republican women like myself who look, on either side of us at republican voters and say how did this haen? how did we get here that we're elevating a man of such low character to be our representative and our nominee for the highest office in the land? >> and how did it come to it that the current president of the united states finds himself having to talk about this on the campaign trail. let's listen to president obama out there today. >> do you want somebody to be your voice who on tape brags about how being famous allows him to get away with sexual assault? >> no! >> who calls women pigs or dogs or slobs. and grades them on a scale of 1 to 10. 23 you disrespect women before you are elected president, you will disrespect women when you're in office. >> can we just pause for a minute, karine? that's the president of the united states actually quoting a nominated candidate for president. >> yeah, it goes to what katie was saying. how did we get here? and we got here because, you know, he managed to really tap into something the last 18 months and get rid of his last 16 opponents. it's really, really scary. i think people have been talking about hillary clinton like basically closing argument, how she is trying to talk about the character and how donald trump is unfit. i think she needs to do that. as voters are voting right now, not on november 8th. a lot of voters will vote on november 8th. but people are voting right now. she needs to remind people who donald trump is that he is unfit, unqualified to be president. >> karine jean-pierre and katie packer, thank you both for joining us tonight. i really appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up, new polls and early voting information from a key swing state where most of the votes will be cast before election day. that's in tonight's war room. and later, russia isn't the only country where the trump family has complicated business interests unlike anything any president has ever had. that's coming up. i have asthma... can stop breo and prescribe a different asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. do not take breo more than prescribed. see your doctor if your asthma does not improve or gets worse. ask your doctor if 24-hour breo could be a missing piece for you. see if you're eligible for 12 months free at mybreo.com. the markets change... at t. rowe price... our disciplined approach remains. global markets may be uncertain... but you can feel confident in our investment experience around the world. call us or your advisor... t. rowe price. invest with confidence. coaching means making tough choices. jim! you're in! but when you have high blood pressure and need cold medicine that works fast, the choice is simple. coricidin hbp is the only brand that gives powerful cold symptom relief without raising your blood pressure. coricidin hbp. is the last word on campaign 2016. >> president obama won nevada in both of the last two presidential elections, and we have new numbers tonight about the early vote in nevada and a new poll there. but first, here is how it looked today on the campaign trail. >> this, my friends, is not a normal election. >> the system is rigged. remember that. >> in not so subtle ways, donald trump is doing everything he can to intimidate people and tell them not to come out and vote. don't let trump and his friends intimidate you. >> hillary clinton is the most corrupt person ever to seek the presidency. and if she were to be elected, it would create an unprecedented constitutional crisis. >> nothing will change if he is elected. because we know who he is. >> get up at 3:30 in the morning and tweet vitriol about a woman's body, about her weight? this is one sick puppy. >> she has become totally unhinged. what she is saying and what she is doing, actually it's unbelievable. >> he is saying you got to vote for me because i hate all the same people you do. that's about it, isn't it? >> can you imagine, they gave the questions to donald trump before a debate. you know, it would be the electric chair. they would reinstitute the electric chair. >> he says he'll be his own foreign policy adviser. he says he can do that because he as a good brain. now that is contestable. >> trump neither understands nor do i think gives a damn. >> the american people are getting tired of the fast and loose ethics of the clintons. and it sounds like the department of justice is starting to feel that way too. >> she shouldn't be allowed to run. f. it immediately neutralizes acid and only gaviscon helps keep acid down for hours. for fast-acting, long-lasting relief, try doctor-recommended gaviscon. than lightning strikes and plane crashes. and if you are texting while driving, your risk of crash increases 23 times. now, i may be an unlucky guy, but i don't have to be part of that statistic, and neither do you. drive responsibly. hillary clinton has spent her whole life standing up to bullies like donald trump. she has been on the receiving end of one attack after another for 25 years now. and i'll tell you, she ain't backing down. she doesn't -- she doesn't whimper. she doesn't whine. she doesn't go to twitter at 3:00 in the morning to call people fat or loser. no, no. no, hillary just remembers -- >> that was massachusetts senator elizabeth warren moments ago campaigning for hillary clinton in reno, nevada. nevada is tonight's campaign war room. the clinton campaign is hoping early voting will mean a win in nevada. early voting has beenup way there for 11 days. nearly half of the state's voters have already cast their ballots. and 2/3 are expected to vote in nevada before election day. with five days left for the presidential campaign war room joining us tonight on the last war, jon ralston, host of ralston live in pbs nevada and a contributor to msnbc. how does it look in nevada tonight? >> well, the democrats are doing very well here in early voting and absentee ballots so far, lawrence. they have about a 50,000 ballot lead. that's going in today in clark county, which is a big democratic county. that's las vegas. they're building towards what will probably be a 65 or 70,000 vote lead if the pattern holds. it's mirroring 2012 very closely. in 2012, barack obama ended up winning the state by seven points. i don't think hillary clinton is being to quite get there. but if these numbers hold, and there aren't some really strange anomalies in the last three days, she's probably got a pretty solid lead here, lawrence. >> speaking of strange, there is a cnn poll out that shows -- they believe clark county is going or the trump by one point. they have it at 546-45. and the state of nevada by six points. but the clark county thing doesn't make sense based on what you said about the early voting. >> well, if that's true, then an hannity is going to win a peabody award too, lawrence there is just no chance that donald trump is ahead by one point in a county that has 142,000 more democrats than republicans. and i'll tell you, if by some chance that is true and it goes against every piece of data, private data i've been privy to, we better start calling him president trump now because something strange is going on. >> let's listen to elizabeth warren tonight talking about joe hex and donald trump. joe hex is a republican candidate for senate out there. and elizabeth warren is appearing for hillary clinton and for catherine korto masto. >> have i had it. i have had it with the donald trumps and joe hexes of the world. donald trump is now the leader of the republican party. they got to own that one, baby. there is none of them, i'm with him, i'm not, i'm with him, i'm not. no. they got to own this. >> how does the senate race look? >> this is a real toss-up race, lawrence. it has been for a long time. that cnn poll that you mentioned showed heck up by a couple of points. it's within the margin of error, i think both campaigns agree. what i understand is in the early voting with the democrats having a fairly sizable lead in clark county, i don't think heck is getting much separation from trump. his separation is around las vegas. so they expect him to do better there. he has done all kinds of incredible contortions about trump in the last few weeks, including just yesterday, weeks after he said he wanted nothing to do with trump, he wanted him to step down from the ticket, he said yesterday in an interview first he wasn't sure who was he was going to vote for and then had to put out a clarifying statement that clarified nothing. how much does that hurt him? the base's campaign says marginally. but it doesn't have to hurt him that much in that race for him to lose. i think that race is going to be very, very close. but if the democrats do well in early voting in the last three days, lawrence, use pointed out, most of the votes are going to be cast before election day. i think it means joe heck is going to have to have a very big november 8 to pull that out. >> what about voter turnout operations on election day? which party has the advantage there? >> well, you know, it's interesting. because the democrats always do well in early voting for all the obvious reasons, especially here with the culinary union being able to bus workers. and they have a lot more on the ground during early voting. they expect to lose election day. the question is by how much. the trump organization here, trump organization is an oxymoron. there is nothing here. they don't have anything on the ground. the rnc has brought in a bunch of people. and there is some stuff that has grown up organically out of some local republican groups. but compared to the machine that harry reid has built here since 2004, there is no comparison, lawrence. so the democrats actually surprised themselves and won election day in 2012. if they do that this year, it's big trouble up and down the ticket for the republicans. >> jon ralston, thank you very much for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. >> absolutely. coming up, "wall street journal" reporting that the trump family has business dealings in more foreign countries than just russia. countries that are in very difficult -- some of them have difficult relationships with the united states. o love your laxative... ...when that lax loves your body back. only miralax hydrates, eases, and softens to unblock naturally. so you have peace of mind from start to finish. love your laxative. miralax. donald trump has received 1 to $5 million from a company in turkey with ties to prime minister erdogan. 2 to $10 million from a company in indonesia with ties to former dictator suharto. and 1 to $5 million from a company in india founded by a politician. and donald trump has received $2.5 million from a company in azerbaijan linked to the transportation minister. joining us now is alexander burzon. alexander, what would you say are some of the more peculiar aspects of the possible conflicts of interest? i was particularly struck by your report on the complexities the trump family and donald trump might have in dealing with turkey. >> yeah, turkey is one place where you have a company group which has a lot of complicated relationships with the current government, is a major media company in turkey. and you also have just a lot of potential future relationships that these children of trump who are going to run the business are pursuing all over the world, as they have been for quite a while now. and that presents a potential for conflict of interest of just -- or conflicts in general that really is unprecedented for a president, according to many of the experts that i spoke to for this story. >> and in the case of turkey, the current regime believes that there is a cleric currently living in the united states who they would like sent back to turkey, extradited, although he is not charged with any crime here that they could do. but that's the kind of thing where it's hard to imagine donald trump in the oval office hearing this request from turkey about send us this man and dealing with it when he has business interests there. >> yeah. i mean, i think the issue is he is going to be taking revenue according to his filings, and there is no reason to believe the business will necessarily change, he is taking revenue from people all over the world, oftentimes they're branding arrangements and also hotel management deals. and it's millions of dollars that are coming from people all over the world who have their own political interests in their own countries that are also overlapped with u.s. interests and issues in many cases potentially. the trump -- it's important to say that i spoke with trump's -- an attorney for trump who says oh, it's going to be very much a separation. but when he has his children running the companies that is something that we haven't seen before generally presidents do put their interests in a blind trust, which in this case he has used the words "blind trust," but a blind trust would not include under a federal definition for it would not