so we took advantage of the travel advisory and the being able to change the flights early. >> in total, about 3 1/2 million people are expected to fly this thanksgiving. that is the most in five years. and people are also paying more for their tickets this year as compared to last year. unfortunately, ronan, that does not guarantee that you will get there at all or on time. back to you. >> thanks for that update. no vacation for sara today. let's drill down on this storm. meteorologist domenica davis is following it for us. >> hi, ronan, we have a nasty storm pushing its way across i-95 right now. the low pressure system's moving up the coast. so by tonight, we're looking at this really pushing up through new england. the good thing is, it's out of here by tomorrow. here's a look at the radar right now. along i-95, temperatures still hovering right around the freezing mark, but above it. so we have a pair of 35s in philadelphia and new york and even up through bridgeport. the rain/snow line, though, is starting to sneak further east. we are getting snow from baltimore, philadelphia, and it's starting to mix in the new york area right now. through the interior, syracuse, scranton, rather, binghamton, they're looking at heavy snow. that i-81 corridor, the massachusetts turnpike, i-84. those are snow-covered and going to be major problems through the afternoon and this evening. i-95 will start to deteriorate. we just saw airports are a problem. low ceilings, a lot fog, and that is going to disrupt things, as well. the worst we're seeing it right now is jfk, laguardia, at three-hour delay, newark at 3.5. this will get worse as the low ceilings are not going to get any better. the good thing, though, is this is all done by tonight. so tomorrow turkey day, we have a lot to be thankful for because it's dry. from west coast to east coast, we'll have a few lingering showers through the morning. but other than that, a pretty picture perfect thainginksgivin. you just have to get through today. >> tough situation out there. we're learning that the president has had to move the annual turkey pardon indoors because of this weather. we're going to be keeping an eye on that situation with the storm all hour long. but first, a sad story we've been following all week as you know. good news and bad news in ferguson, missouri, today. protesters continued for a second night taking to the streets and dozens in the end getting arrested. look at some of those scenes there. that's from minneapolis, one of the incidents that we're seeing around the country. and that's exactly the trend around the country. we're seeing mostly peaceful protests with some incidents of ugly violence like this one. overall, though, the trend, less and less violence. again, those ferguson frustrations being felt all over. that scene in minneapolis as well as protests here in new york city where protesters actually blocked major arteries into and out of the city bringing traffic to a halt. look at some of those scenes there. we're also hearing today from the father of michael brown. he reacted to the grand jury decision sitting down with our reverend al sharpton. >> how do you feel? >> my emotions are all over the place. i don't know what to feel, you know. i'm just -- i'm just hurt. i'm empty. what happened, the whole thing, you know. with the -- with the death of my son and the verdict, you know. i'm just crushed. >> also speaking out, officer darren wilson. listen to him describing the moment he pulled out his gun. >> i take it out and come up and point it at him. and i say get back, i'm going to shoot you. and his response immediately, he grabbed the top of the gun. and he grabbed it and said, you're too much of a [ bleep ] to shoot me. and while he's doing that, i can feel his hand trying to get inside the trigger guard and shoot me with my own gun. >> following all this in ferguson. zach, officials are calling last night a much better night, a lot less violence. do you attribute that to the tripled presence of the national guard? or do you think that things are just calming down overall? >> ronan, i think it's both of those factors. it's also become bitterly cold here, which may have helped to keep some people off the streets last night. and overall what we've seen today, ferguson is starting to kind of pull together and with thanksgiving coming up, people are saying, we actually think we have even more to be thankful for this year. the vast majority of people whose homes and businesses were not damaged. i've just been talking to volunteers outside city hall helping to sweep up, which city hall did sustain damage last night. they say what's going to be hard this year is we're leaving to visit family and we don't want to leave our community at this time. because we feel so connected to these people and people have come together. and so that's kind of the mood. >> is the increased security presence going to continue through the holiday? or are police standing down now, zach? >> reporter: they've made it clear, it's an open-ended commitment. however long there needs to be that presence there'll be. there was a lot of anger yesterday from the mayor of ferguson from other officials about why didn't the national guard move in more quickly on monday night. he said he had requested for them to be deployed, and that didn't happen. so it seemed like state officials kind of learned their lesson last night, and there was that beefed up presence. and it did seem to have some kind of impact. >> msnbc's zack roth, stay warm. >> thanks, ronan. and we should have an update this hour on another sad story prompting calls for change. that's the shooting of a 12-year-old boy by cleveland police. any minute, we're expecting a police news conference where they say they may release video showing the death of rice. he was shot saturday by police responding to a report of a young man with a gun. turned out to be an air soft gun that shoots plastic pellets. we're going to be watching that news conference for you. due to the sensitivity of this case and the evidence they may be releasing, we're going to be reviewing that video before carrying it on our air. but we'll bring you what we can as soon as we can. as we wait, let's get more on this case from nbc news correspondent kevin tibbles. he's following this for us. this case, kevin, is drawing comparisons to the michael brown shooting. it is also expected to go to a grand jury, we understand. if that's the case, why are they releasing this evidence? and why now? >> police are saying, ronan, that they're releasing the evidence today at the request of tamir's family. originally, the family said it did not want to bring attention to all of this because they were in a state of grieving, the family is still not talking. but family representatives have viewed the video and now the family has said they would like the public, several news agencies have been asking for this video to be released. the family has now agreed and says it wants to see the publ public -- wants the public to see exactly what happened to the 12-year-old boy in that cleveland park on saturday when he was shot. we are still, as you are, awaiting that press conference to get underway in cleveland now. as you mentioned, it was an air soft pistol, shoots sort of plastic, soft pellets, not the hard bbs. and the police found out about this incident from a 911 call where the caller actually said there was someone in the park with what appeared to be a gun. it was probably a fake. now, it's also become evident listening to the 911 calls, ronan, that the information, or at least that information that even the person who made the 911 call thought the gun might be fake. that was not relaid to the officers, perhaps because it's part of police procedure. the officers were told there was a man or a subject with a gun in the park. so they were not advised that someone thought the gun was not real. the only other thing i want to add is that on these toy pistols, they usually have an orange covering on the barrel that identifies them as a pellet gun or a toy. that had been removed in this case. ronan? >> nbc's kevin tibbles, appreciate that update. upsetting story there. >> sure thing. >> and everybody at home, we are going to be keeping an eye on that press conference and bringing you any news that comes out of it. keep it right here, we're finally hearing the words of officer darren wilson himself. this is our next segment up ahead. does his story given on tv and that interview line up with the grand jury testimony? we compare. we're also going to continue to watch the weather all hour long on the biggest commuting day of the year. take a look at this scene on philadelphia on the highway. stick around for a storm explainer from new york's favorite meteorologist, the one and only janice hough. there was no question she was the one. she reminds you every day. but your erectile dysfunction-that could be a question of blood flow. cialis for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment is right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is also the only daily ed tablet approved to treat symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently or urgently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long-term injury, get medical help right away for an erection lasting more than four hours. if you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision, or any symptoms of an allergic reaction, stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. ask your doctor about cialis for daily use and a free 30-tablet trial. now with the you can watch live tv anytime. it's never been easier with so many networks all in one place. get live tv whenever you want. the xfinity tv go app. now with live tv on the go. enjoy over wifi or on verizon wireless 4g lte. plus enjoy special savings when you purchase any new verizon wireless smartphone or tablet from comcast. visit comcast.com/wireless to learn more. after i fired that shot, i look over, he's -- >> it went off that time? >> it did go off that time. he starts to run and i see, and i'm like, okay, i missed. the round didn't hit him. then i go to exit my car. and when i'm getting out, i say shots fired, send more cars. and i start chasing after michael brown. >> darren wilson telling his version of this story. but some of his words don't match up with witness accounts. here's dorian johnson who was with michael brown when he was gunned down. >> his hands were never at his waist, he had on basketball shorts. he couldn't hold anything in his waist. his hands was up, he didn't have a belt on. it wouldn't stay at his waist even if he did have anything in his waist, it wouldn't stay at his waist. his hands were up, never plunged at the officer in no type of manner. he was merely trying to explain to the officer he did not have a weapon and why are you shooting me? >> that call for justice isn't finished working its way through the legal system. in fact, the justice department's civil rights division now has two federal investigations ongoing. first, they're looking at whether a civil rights case can be brought against darren wilson for that confrontation with michael brown. second, they're reviewing the bigger picture. how police officers are trained in the first place in ferguson. our nbc justice correspondent pete williams is following both of those investigations at a federal level. pete, where do these investigations stand now? and has this grand jury decision and the reaction to it increased pressure for the department to act? >> i think they have increased pressure, i'm not sure that pressure, though, will make a legal difference, it can now look at the material released by the grand jury and use that, as well. the problem is if you want to see more charges. and the justice department faces a much tougher legal standard than the grand jury did. in order to make a federal civil rights prosecution, the government would have to prove that officer wilson used excessive force on purpose knowing that it was improper. now, that's a very high standard to meet, and when you have all this conflicting eyewitness evidence, the forensic evidence pointing one way, some of the witnesses pointing a different way. you have all of that. it's a very tough go for the prosecutor as one former federal prosecutor who brought dozens of these cases said he would be very surprised if the government is able to make a case here. nonetheless, the government is determined to follow this through. the investigation, they say, is still underway. on the ferguson police department question, that's a very different one. and what the government often does when they go to police departments, where there have been problems is they recommend changes, and if the police department doesn't want to make them, then they'll sue the police department for civil rights violations. and if the -- if the police department is still resistant, the government can go to court and get a court order forcing them to comply. so all of that has yet to play out. >> and, pete, we're also hearing that michael brown's parents are considering their own independent legal action. what options are available to them? >> right. well, they could file a wrongful death civil lawsuit against both the police officer and the city. and, again, it's a different legal standard. in the criminal case, it's beyond a reasonable doubt in a trial. in a civil case in a trial, it's preponderance of the evidence. in other words, more likely one way than not. it's a different standard. now, these cases tend to do better when there was a criminal conviction. without a conviction, it's a little more of an uphill battle, but not impossible. >> and pete, before you go. another story we're following right now, we've all received word in the last several hours that supreme court justice ruth bader ginsberg underwent heart surgery this morning. do we have any update on her condition? >> yes, they say it went well, she's talking, alert, talked to friends, in good spirits. she was exercising last night. since 1999, for the past 15 years, she's done a little personal trainer work at the gym in the supreme court in the evening. that's what she was doing last night when the court said she felt discomfort, she was taken to the hospital. they found some blockage in her right coronary artery. and so a stent was installed or placed, whatever the right legal term is. a stent was placed this morning and say she should be out in 48 hours. >> pete williams, thanks for that update. we are glad the justice is doing well. >> you bet. and just ahead, do you know what this sound is? 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we're seeing rain and snow on the backside of that. in and around new york city right now, we're getting a bit of a mix here. it's mainly rain, occasionally the snow comes in, but coastal areas are seeing a lot of rain south of baltimore to the north, it is snowing around albany. and binghamton and scranton. up towards boston getting a bit of snow, although boston won't see the heaviest snowfall. here's what we're expecting in terms of the forecast. coastal areas, very little, it's mixing in with a lot of rain. new york city, maybe an inch or so. but when you get up towards manchester, a foot is possible. in this area across western massachusetts through the berkshires and into central maine, that's where you may see up to 18 inches of snow with the storm. you can see back down towards philadelphia, it'll be on the lighter side, too. albany between 8 and 12 inches expected. around hartford, 2 to 4, baltimore, less than an inch, and boston, 1 to 2. boston is also seeing some rain mixing in with the system. so the amounts won't be too, too heavy. here's how we track things. now on future tracker. this morning, of course, we had the rain coming in and the snow starting to mix in now. the snow will continue to fall in and around new york city, philadelphia area for the next several hours until about 5:00 or 6:00. then things start to taper off. but watch out for areas in new england. up towards boston. back towards massachusetts, into the berkshires of western mass, and then into maine and parts of new england, as well. it will continue to snow into tonight. and that's going to be very bad for travel, as well. tomorrow, thanksgiving, though, thank goodness things do start to clear out, it dries out throughout much of the eastern seaboard. the temperatures turn a little bit cooler. but we're not expecting much more to happen except maybe some gusty winds across parts of new england. the parade here in new york city should be just fine, maybe a breeze or two, but i think the balloons will get off without a hitch. ronan. >> a real pleasure to get her on the program. helpful update there. an update also on a story we're following that is somewhat darker and unfolding fast still, to this day. new violence overnight in ferguson. obligation arresting 44 people, but some good news, too. demonstrations smaller and largely more peaceful than the night before. this community is grappling in realtime with how to bring about change and what to do when protests turn violent. here's one reverend and community organizer in ferguson this week. >> it would be irresponsible, this way, that it would be morally irresponsible to condemn riots and not condemn the conditions which produce riots. for a riot according to martin luther king is the language of the unheard. >> dr. king is being invoked a lot in this moment of unrest. he did, indeed, call riots the language of the unheard. and he spoke about the origins of riots with sensitivity, with empathy. but that line shows understanding. it doesn't condone. dr. king also spent his career standing against violent protests. here he is on 60 minutes back in 1966. >> i will never change, and my basic idea that nonviolence is the most potent weapon available to the negro in his struggle for freedom and justice. i think for the negro to turn to violence would be both impractical and immoral. i would hope that we can avoid riots because riots are self-defeating and socially destructive. >> so what lessons can today's protesters learn from that civil rights movement and from dr. king? martin luther king iii is the eldest son of dr. king and a civil rights advocate himself as well as a minister. thank you so much, mr. king, for taking the time to join us and help us sort through this complex moment. first up, what is in your view the correct lesson for protesters today to learn from what dr. king championed? >> well, i think the correct lesson is that when you engage in nonviolent protests and you endure that victory can come. the reality is, we live in a society that is violently charged. we have to create a society that is more nonviolent, which really goes to the heart of some of -- not this civic issue, but some of the violence that occurs in our nation. 7 out of 10 television programs are violent. many of our video games are violent. so we are living in a culture that is promoting violence. and yet, really, as a human being, we should be at a much higher level operating from a nonviolent perspective. what my dad and his team taught us is that through nonviolent direct action that ultimately you can be successful. and it's clear to me that many around our nation as we look at demonstrations and los angeles and in boston and in new york and here in atlanta and throughout this country over 100 demonstrations. overwhelmingly, they've been nonviolent protests. >> and it's encouraging to see that rise of increasingly nonviolent protests in response to this. one thing that's striking, you talk about the culture, it's also true that the conversation around this has become more and more polarized. i was struck by one anecdote that speaks to this after the grand jury decision. i tweeted a cycle of pretty complex, pretty subtle quotes from dr. king. of course, that first line saying riots are the language of the unheard and these quotes from the speech fleshing out his stance. the limitations of riots, they cannot win and the participants know it. hence, they are not revolutionary, but reactionry. they offer emotional catharsis. civil disobedience in the mass application has the prospect of success, it is militant and defiant, but not destructive. and i read those quotes and it's very clearly not a condemnation, it's not an extreme, it's a thoughtful take. he's empathetic about why this kind of rioting happens without condoning it. but the thing that was so striking is, the reaction was so polarized. people reading them as either espousing their extreme of condemning the protesters or the extreme of protests are okay. whatever the degree of violence. do you think that there's a shrinking space for the kind of thoughtfulness he showed, sometimes controversially through his whole career? >> no, i don't think there's a shrinking space. what i think is that the models that we seem to embrace are models of violence. for example, our nation is still one of the greatest purveyors, although we contextualize it in the context of defense. but our military is huge. and the military industrial complex. so i'm saying that to say that we don't have enough -- we do not embrace or show enough models of nonviolence. perhaps you could say, sure, it may be shrinking, but i would like to think not. i would like to think we must provide more examples. and i think at the end of the day, we will see some action from these demonstrations that have been overwhelmingly nonviolent. even in ferguson, over 90 days, yes, there was some tragic days and certainly just the other day after the verdict was most tragic. but overawhelmingly, many of th protests were nonviolent. ultimately, this nation will see results by using that method. and there really are six steps to nonviolence that most people don't realize. we have the direct action step right now. but the first step is information gathering. the second step is education, educating everyone, the third step is having a personal commitment. the fourth step is negotiation. the fifth step is direct action. we're at direct action right now all over our nation. and ultimately reconciliation, bringing the community back together. but results have to occur before that can happen. >> and when he was delivering those messages, even in his own lifetime, it's fair to say when you look at that trend line, is the space for a thoughtful intersection of each side shrinking. was it just as bad then in terms of the national conversation he also faced a ton of polarized criticism within the civil rights movement in response to the steps you were talking about. what was his response to those critics who said you should be more militant? >> well, his position never. in fact, in a real sense his position was quite militant. the fact of militancy meaning violence, as i say, it just will not work. it will not yield the kind of result that we want to see as a society. it is not a civil kind of manner to address crisis. we are operating at the lowest level when we operate in violence. and again, that is not to condemn actions that i may intellectually understand. but i must say that, you know, we cannot, we cannot -- we will not make the appropriate success if we are not involved in constructive, thoughtful, nonviolent action. i'll say this also, as i think about it because very quickly. victor hugo used to say wherever there's darkness, crimes will occur. the guilty one is not merely he who commit the crime but those who commit the darkness. the way i interpret that is this is a societal problem. this is not relegated to ferguson. it is really around america and that's why we are seeing these protests. >> well, thank you for echoing that same thoughtfulness you referred to. these are important messages for all of us to turn over right now at this difficult moment in our country. martin luther king iii, appreciate your time and insights on this. >> thank you. up next, a new twist in the bill cosby saga today. why have so many of these allegations against that iconic comedian just begun emerging now? has the story changed? or has the media reporting it changed? when we come back, we talk to two journalists breaking this story about that changing landscape. stay with us. ♪ let us be lovers, we'll marry our fortunes together ♪ ♪ i've got some real estate here in my bag ♪ ♪ it took me four days to hitch-hike from saginaw ♪ ♪ "i've come to look for america" ♪ having a perfectly nice day, when out of nowhere a pick-up truck slams into your brand new car. one second it wasn't there and the next 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before. he's still performing and going about normal business despite the unjustified claims. but the reality is, it is anything but normal business for cosby. with reports of canceled tour dates coming in almost every day. and some reporters issuiining meaculpas. suddenly coming to a fore with a whole new set of stakes. buzzfeed's chief los angeles correspondent kate arthur has been breaking this story. a new piece in "time" magazine on this and why it's developing now. appreciate both of your being here. start with you, kate. you wrote a fascinating article laying out some of the catalysts that brought the story to the forefront. a majority of them i was struck by playing out in the new online spaces, february 4th, publishes an article about all of these sex assault allegations against cosby, then a reporter from "newsweek." october 16th of this year, calling him a rapist in his comedy routine. the act goes viral, coverage on october 27th, barbara bowman tells her story to the daily mail online. a lot of this playing out in the online space. why do you think traditional journalists ignored this while newer outlets propelled it to the front? >> i think bill cosby is a beloved figure and i think that people didn't want to think of him as someone who is a rapist. and the thing, the allegations against him were unpalatable to everyone. and it took -- it took some viral stories happening to, to make people realize that there are women who are willing to put their names to their accusations. and to talk about this. and to criticize him openly. >> it's almost as if we suddenly started taking the claims of women seriously in this culture. obviously, a lot of progress still yet to come on that. but it has changed. and the other big change i'm struck by looking at that time line of yours, kate, how many of the propellers are women in this news space. is this change in coverage do you think partly gender driven? >> i'd like to think so. but we never know. as with life itself, the internet can cut both ways for women. there are perils for women reporters and women who come forward with accusations. and there are -- there can be confirmation and affirmation and you can really affect something, as well. i wouldn't necessarily say that it's an old media gendered thing. i mean, i used to be at the los angeles times and we didn't report on this either. so -- >> it is. it's an interesting changing landscape in several respects. and you make a fair point. it's across the board including for some of the new media outlets. important to not differentiate too harshly between them. you also talk about the racial component of this conversation, john, a new piece in "time" magazine is fascinating on this. you say how herman cain and president obama brought down bill cosby. the premise arguing that white people in this country have been reluctant to trash talk a black icon and that maybe there's some change happening there. >> oh, of course. there are developments of m modernity. there was a time they were reluctant to criticize cosby because they thought it would be better to step aside. that made sense for a time. not to say it was good, but made a certain kind of sense. another kind of modernity is understand you're judging by the content of their character not only to praise them but to criticize them, as well. and i think we've gotten to that point over the past several years. for example, in the fall of -- saw a man who was black criticized for a human failing, and then with barack obama, many people would say that anybody who criticizes barack obama is being racist. i think most people know that racism isn't the only reason that you might criticize obama. he's taught us, again, to see a high achieving black person and be able to criticize without that inner cringe. i think white america has learned that. so it made it easier to judge cosby on his merits or in this case lack of them. >> we can sometimes be reluctant to see we're sacrificing one of ours to white racism. that's still there. i wrote this piece in "time" about cosby where i accepted these allegations were probably true. i have been criticized by various black men on twitter who actually genuinely think this is still some sort of conspiracy. that's where we still are. >> what's interesting about the race piece of this, too, is we were talking about this in the newsroom and contrasting how just in the last year or so there is this stark contrast in how these allegations of high-profile hollywood icons are handled and there seems to be more comfort with cosby. and one of my team members said, that's a racial contrast. people are still more willing to criticize the black men. >> no, it's not that. you have to take a larger view. we're also in a situation where the kind of boys will be boys behavior that men in college were getting away with for a long time is finally being seriously condemned in a way it hasn't been. we're not where we'd like to be. but this is not racism on the march. we're seeing interesting and positive things about how we treat women and hopefully about how we treat black people in terms of another kind of contrast i don't need to mention right now, the protests in ferguson, et cetera. something good is happening amidst this horror. >> and kate, of course there was this "new york times" op-ed laying the blame on journalists. we all have our excuses, but ignoring these claims, we let down the women who are brave enough to speak out publicly against a powerful entertainer. do you think the media has learned a lesson here, kate? >> i really hope so. and i thought that was wonderful that david carr wrote that. he also directly called out mark whitaker who recently wrote a 500-plus page biography of cosby and didn't report on the allegations against him. and -- and mark whitaker apologized for it on twitter, which was the first time he's actually said he was wrong to have done that. and i really hope that people have learned a lesson going forward. >> and on that mark whitaker subject, it's interesting, we, ourselves, confronted that firsthand. we had mark whitaker on the program. he's a lovely man and person. and i said, we have to ask him about this. and it is reflective of how the times are changing. that was a matter of real debate, still. it's not substantiated enough. i told him ahead of time, look, i have to ask about this. if you don't want to talk about it, then we're not going to do the interview. and he seemed, frankly, caught offguard. do we have control room that sound of that interview? let's roll that. >> i wanted this book primarily to be a study of his professional life. but i also knew. i knew i had to get into some of his personal life and behavior, but i also knew if i was going to do that, i had to have very strong independent confirmation of everything i wrote. or i just was not in a position, no court findings, no independent witnesses and those areas i stayed away from. >> and, you know, while we're doing this, there were people on our team that said, cut the interview, we don't have to ask that question, we don't have to ask that question. and i think mark whitaker's an illustration for all of us. if you make that compromise and we all make compromises every day, there's a risk that the next morning you're going to wake up and that's going to be the big story and you have egg on your face. >> right. to john's point, mark whitaker, like so many of us, seems like he was a fan of bill cosby's. it's something that we don't want to face. and i completely understand that. if all of these allegations are true, it's horrifying. so it's not that it's not understandable. it's something that journalist responsible to actually ask the questions. >> i have to give you a call out for the reporters that are changing this landscape. making a change in the public krveshz conversations. really appreciate both of your times. that's an important issue here. we're watching change very fast. up next another important story and this is a tough one. the shooter of a 12-year-old boy in cleveland by police. we're getting in right now a video of that shooting. they released that at a news conference and we're going to bring it to you next. the weather snarling up traffic and airlines on this, the biggest travel day of the year. look at that, that's the tree outside 30 rock. they're taking down the scaffolding. the weather is frightful outside of the white house, as well. if you happen to be stuck on a plane, train or automobile. verizon is doing something cool. they're removing all the pay walls so you can download "the hangover" while waiting for a delayed flight. stay with us, everybody. get ready for some german engineered holiday excitement. at the volkswagen sign-then-drive event. right now, for practically just your signature, you could drive home for the holidays in a new volkswagen. like the sporty, advanced new jetta and the precisely engineered passat tdi. ah, the gift of clean diesel. for the new volkswagen on your list this year, just about all you need, is a pen. festive, isn't it? hurry into the sign- then-drive event and get a five-hundred- dollar black friday bonus on select new volkswagen models. black friday bonus offer ends december 1st. back to that upsetting breaking news that we're following out of cleveland. police just now releasing vid wroe and 911 calls in the shooting of 12-year-old tamir rice. we have to warn you before we air this. it does show his confrontation with police that then led to his death. the first part of this tape shows tamir walking around a park with what we now know to be an air soft gun. remember, that shoots plastic pellets. not designed to injure anyone and then shows police responding to a call for a young man with a pistol. and then the confrontation between tamir and officers that eventually led to tamir's death. kevin tibls is following this and joins me now on the phone. kevin, what more did we learn from this news conference and from this video we're looking at now? >> i think what is most striking about this is that the police say that confrontation that you just referred to took between 1.5 and 2 seconds. the police car as the video shows sort of arrives very quickly on to the scene over by this gazebo in the park and 1.5 to 2 seconds later this 12-year-old boy is dead. he did not die until later the next morning. they said he was told to put his hands up three times and i don't want to editorialize but the quickness with which this conversation took place. the other thing that is noticeable or should be noted is that as the 911 caller mentioned, this young boy, 12-year-old boy was wandering kind of aimlessly in the park. he was pointing this replica gun. he seemed to be playing with it and pointing here and there and, obviously, someone gazebo, that's where the 911 caller was thought this was menacing, he also suggested it may not be a real gun. again, that message was not relayed to the officers when they were sent to the scene. >> kevin tibbles an u.psetting story. this may go to a grand jury. we'll bring you updates as that happens. that wraps everything up on a somber note this holiday evening. thank you so much for your time today. joy reid will pick up our coverage next. a lot still to cover. stay with us. 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