i'm craig melvin and tamron hall has the day off and the "newsnation" is following the latest dust-up in washington, d.c. betweenm pr and house speaker john boehner, and we are going to be hearing from the press secretary jay carney any minute now and possibly, po possibly with more hints on the timing for next week's speech when jay carney approaches the podium, we will take you there live. the administration officials saying they got the okay from the speaker's office to address the congress next wednesday which is the same day as the republican presidential date right here on msnbc, but now the president will unveil the jobs plan on the first night of the nfl season. here is jay carney today. >> our intent was for the president to address a joint session of congress as soon as they recessed. this is not a political back and forth. the president is wanting to speak to congress and to the people about the need to do things to create jobs to get the economy going. >> kristen welker is live from the white house this today, and we heard from dan pheifer saying that the president's speech will not interfere with the packers and giants' kickoff. >> well, it is not their intention to get into the middle or any way push back that speech, so they are being mindful of that, but the details are being worked out. but as you say, it was a dust-up, and the white house ready to pivot away from the dust-up saying they want to focus on the major speech that the president is going to give next week. we of course don't know specifically what is in the speech. we are getting little details and bits and pieces, and we understand that under consideration is investing in infrastructure and investing in schools and green energy projects as well as providing tax breaks for companies that hire unemployed workers, and things like that. also, potentially a housing component to this. there is a lot of pressure on the speech as you know, craig, because the unemployment rate has been stuck above 9.0%, for some is time, and the president has seen record lows in the approval rating this summer hovering around 40%, and the white house wants to pivot away from the issue the debate about when this is going to take place for the speech, and they want to focus on the actual speech. >> kristen, we are also hearing and probably heard about an hour ago now that house speaker john boehner will be giving his own economic speech in a week or two? >> yes, we just got news of that that john boehner will deliver his speech on the 15th at the economics club in washington, d.c., and final details nailed down today. we asked tspeaker to give us ag preview there, but the house republicans say they don't want anything to increase spending, and they have come out to say they want plan that includes tax cuts as well as freezing government regulations, so we have to see what is actually in the speaker's speech, and see if there is anything in the speaker's speech that mirrors or aligns itself with the president's speech. if so, that could be an indication of where we will see movement on this jobs issue. craig? >> kristen welker live for us live from the white house. >> thank you. and president obama's sales pitch on jobs next week has to connect with the business community and hopefully enticing the ceos to invest the trillions in cash they are sit on an investing the money in hiring people who have spent months and years on the sidelines. norman oberlander is the president of zip productions and we wanted to bring you in to talk to a guy who owns a business. >> yes. >> a small business. how large is the business? >> the business is about six people. right now. including mooi. >> and specifically, next week when the president rolls out this jobs plan, what do you want to hear? what do you need to the hear? >> tough question. i need to hear something that is rewarding as a businessman. that i'm going to be rewarded somehow for putting myself on the line, for going out there and trying to hire people, to stimulate, to develop, instead of i feel penalized. >> how so? >> um, the rhetoric, the talk, the promises that never came through. all seem to as far as i'm concerned and a lot of my friends, too, who are also small business owners. >> promises like? >> well, promises like i have a couple of them from the beginning, increasing the capital gains and dividend taxes for higher income taxpayers never came through, and some might be for signing, and whenever a bill goes before president obama's desk it would be put up on the internet for five days so people will know it. >> how does that affect you as a small businessman? >> it gives me confidence and not with those exact words, but the fact when he says something i should believe it. if he is not president, i want to hear something from him, and know that i can believe this is the truth, not that he is just telling me something, because i want to hear it. >> yes. >> you know what i'm saying? >> and if the president comes out next week, and there is some talk that one of the incentives that might be offered to small business owners is a tax credit, a essentially chunk of money from the federal government that says, hey, if you go out the hire this person who has been unemployed for the x-number of mont months, then the federal government will pay this percentage of that person's salary, would that en koucouragu to hire two, three, people? >> well, h sa shg, he said that 2010, and it never came through. >> i want to join rhonda from providence, rhode island, who has been looking for work since 2008. rhonda, what were you doing in 2008 when wu were laid off? >> i was in the i.t. field until my job was outsourced to india. >> talk to me -- >> i continually looked for work. >> and talk to me about the search, and what have you encountered? >> where haven't i gone. what i have en coucountered is silence. the process of submitting applications at this point is nothing short of crazy, because you have to go through a long process to fill out the applicationsb and because they get so many, you don't even get a response. i have had one interview in three years which is a new record for me, because i have older children, and i took time off, and i had no problem getting back into the workforce. there is a problem, and the companies have a huge vast pool of people to hire from, so people 40 and above are tending to be last on the list to be hired. >> quickly here, rhonda. one of the things i heard from a woman at the congressional black caucus jobs fair here a couple of days ago said she is not looking for a handout, but a leg-up, and do you feel that the government has given you the leg-up that you need to find work? and if not, what more would you like to see. >> no. they have not given me a leg up or anything. for a year and half, i have had no life -- i have had no life vest vest along with 8 to 10 million people. we don't get any reform, and we have been thrown to the political rhetoric and i want it to be coming to the top that the people who were first laid off in the recession get priority and i'm tired of this. there are reasons why the union people are laid off, and that is because we are not in the economy anymore and we cannot produce anything. i want a jobs plan that centers around the unemployed who have been out of work the long e. that is the 9 9ers who are smal biz ness owners who are out of the economy completely, and those are the people who are improve that economy and without us, it will not get better. >> rhonda taylor, thank you so much. good luck to you, rhonda. hang in there. >> thank you very much. >> and norman as well, thank you for carving out the time for us this afternoon and good luck to you as well. coming up in the half hour, we will look at the jobs plan being offered by the republican presidential candidates as well, and we will talk about how they might be different and probably a lot different from president obama's plan. and msnbc will bring you lye coverage of the president's address to a joint session of congress, and that is next thursday night right here on msnbc. the passaic river is receding now, but major flooding is complicating recovery efforts in new jersey today. president obama is scheduled to visit the state this weekend and he signed a major disaster declaration for parts of the state allowing businesses and homeowners affected by the storm to seek disaster aid, and with fema running out of money, some members of congress are projecting budget cuts tos offst the aid. and chris christie says he can't wait for the people to figure it out. >> you want to figure out the budget cuts, fine, it will turn into a fiasco like the debt ceiling thing and you expect the citizens of my state to wait? well rg they are not going to wait and i will make sure they don't. >> michelle franzen is live from paterson, new jersey. michelle? >> well, look behind me, craig. the river is not going down quickly enough. it iscereceding, but not fast enough. you can see that this is a privately maintained bridge which leads to a commercial area here, but beyond that set of trees, neighborhoods still dealing with the water, and it is starting to recede, too, but it is still several days before the water recedes. as you mentioned president obama is expected to tour the area on sunday and unfortunately, there is going to be plenty of damage for him to see. we spoke with the paterson mayor who hopes to be along on the tour, and he has a message for the president. >> we need aid. we need help and support, and we need more long-range conversations, and more specific will the long-range conversations about what has happened and continues to happen whereas the federal government has been involved in the past years, and yet the same result remains. i'm not expecting miracles, but conversations leading to the miracle for us to figure out a way to protect many of us from this would be a good start. >> and this he is referring to is the constant flooding they have endured year after year in several major floods including this one from irene. now, the bridges that lead to some of the neighborhoods at one point there was only one bridge out of five here that were operational, and they are slowly starting to see the water recede, but now, craig, what they have to do is that the engineers will come out and reinforcement the stability of the bridge before they open it up. >> thank you, michelle franzen. another hurricane on the horizon. hurricane katia is gaining strength out there in the atlantic. you are looking at images from the international space center. they say that the category 1 storm may grow into a bigger hurricane this weekend. forecasters are also keeping an eye on the system in the gulf of mexico that could become a tropical depression. meteorologist carl parker is tracking both storms for us. he is at the weather channel's head quarters for us. carl, what's the word? >> well, right now it is a tropical wave, but the hurricane hunters are flying out into the system to get a look at the center. if they find a low-level west wind, and circulation and they will name it pretty quickly. we can tell you there is a lot of detropical moisture there and it is being sheared right now, so it is not terribly organized, but we have a persistent southeast flow and a lot of the showers coming into the gulf coast, and those are floodwaters into mississippi and louisiana and a lot more coming into the weekend and water is piling up and seeing surf in alabama and northwest florida going into the normally very busy holiday weekend. so it is not going to be a good beach weekend across the gulf. we could be looking at a depression storm for the next few days an incredibly potential heavy rain with 5 to 15 inches of rain in louisiana and other parts of the gulf coast in the coming days. here is cattia, ais katia, now tropical storm, and we think it could become a hurricane in the coming days and passing north of the leeward islands and likely to curve around and better chance of not hitting the u.s., but we can't, craig, rule that out. back to you. >> we certainly look to hear that though. thank you so much. appreciate that. folks are still waiting to hear from the white house spokesman jay carney who is expected to deliver the daily press briefing. any minute now. but when that happens, of course, we will bring that to you live, and expect to hear him talk more about what we can expect to hear from president obama's jobs speech next thursday, and look at that, almost right on queue, and there is jay carney approaching the podium. let's listen in. >> thank you, everyone, for coming to the white house for the daily briefing. i have no announcements to the top, so we go straight to the questions. >> thank you. the new budget projections that came out predict 9% unemployment next year when the president projected 7% growth for this year. does the white house believe that the jobs initiative that the president is going to announce next week will change the projections to the positive? >> yes, absolutely. as i mentioned yesterday and earlier this week, i this, the president will come forward with specific proposals that by any objective measure would add to growth and job creation in the short term. that will be part of, and a broad package that reflects his commitment to grow the economy now, and to build a foundation for economic growth for the future to ensure that we win the future. so, the answer to that is yes. >> and will the congress pass the package the unemployment will be under 9%? >> well, when you talk about based on economic predictions, yes. economic economists will be able to look at this series of p proposals and say that based on history, base add d on what we and based on the collective expertise, it would add to economic growth, and it would cause an increase in job creation. >> give ten flan the flack overe and timing of the speech -- >> what flack? >> well, a little flack, but is there something that the white house would have done differently announcing the joint session from the hill? >> our focus from the beginning was to have the president have the opportunity to speak to the american people and congress in front of congress at the soonest possible date. upon congress' return from the long recess. wednesday was the best option, and when that seemed to be a problem, thursday was fine with us. and we were just looking forward to the -- the president is looking forward to the opportunity to talk about what the american people really talk about the economy and the need to create for the jobs. so we are focused on that. >> so you would have gone through the process the same way? >> look. all we care about here is that we address the issues most important, and we are not interested in inside of the beltway political, you know, game gamesmanship, but what we are interested in coming up with proposals that make sense, that can grow the economy and create jobs that by historical standards would have broad bipartisan support, and that if congress comes back from their district, and members of congress come back from the districts and the states with the same sense of urgency that the president has and having heard from the constituents, the same thing that the president heard when he went on the bus tour through the upper midwest, everyone will come back with the same am of urgency and focus to get this done, because what the president will propose can get done, should get done and will benefit the country. >> one other topic, the justice department lawsuit to block the at&t t-mobile merger and is that viewed as the administration taking a more aggressive stance on antitrust -- >> well, this is a law question that should be directed to the department of justice. it is based on a law that is designed to foster competition and protect american consumers, but beyond that, i refer you to the department of justice. yes? >> jay, the democrats are unifying around the advice that the president needs to go bold in the speech. is that the way that you would characterize this proposal that he is going to roll out, and are there certain high expectations that one creates when you do a joint session of congress speech? >> i'll leave it to you and others to characterize the speech in the terms that you just described. what will be the case and the reason why the president wants to speak before congress is because this is an important moment in our economy, and it is an important moment for the american people who are demanding that washington put an end to the gridlock and bickering that has paralyzed the process here and take action to help the economy to help create jobs to help them. that is what they want. they don't want, and they are not out there scoring, you know, political points. they want vast majority of the americans, whether they voted democratic or republican or whether they are registered with the party or not. they want washington to work for them. they want them to take sensible actions to work for them. to create jobs, to grow the economy, and that is what this speech is about and the concrete proposal that the president puts forward is about. >> and economists, when you talk to them and talk about what constitutes gold like 4$400 billion in fiscal stimulus, is he looking at anything on the that scale or going to give specifics about how many jobs this package might create when he unveils it? >> i will not preview the speech anymore than i have except to say that it will focus on the need to gre the economy and create jobs. it will be a collection of proposals that, again, should have bipartisan support, and have had at similar times bipartisan support that will be by any objective standard, pro growth and pro job creation and acted upon right away if members of the congress come back from their recess ready to do things to help the american people. beyond, that i'm not going to characterize it. >> you talk about bipartisan ideas and should have bipartisan support and do you have any indication -- white house spokesman jay carn carney, talking about the president's long awaited speech about creation of jobs, and he has long on promises and short on details, but he says quote by any measure the president's plan will add to growth and job creation in the short term. we will be right back. time for the "your business entrepreneurs of the week." evelyn and her husband built high-end playgrounds in north carolina. hit by the recession they let the employees go, and moved into a motor home. our team helped them to rebrand and work with a restrategy of new names. for more, go to "your business" on sunday mornings only at 7:30 a.m. sundays on msnbc. strong i. thankfully, there's listerine® antiseptic. its triple-action formula penetrates biofilm, kills germs and protects your mouth for hours. fight biofilm with listerine®. kills germs and protects your mouth for hours. a mouthwatering combination of ingredients...e for you! i know you're gonna love. 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