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Morning times that. I aint dead. Along with myself and joe and willie we have Steve Rattner, professor at Princeton University eddie glaude jr. And from the super tuesday earthquake that rocked the race for the democratic nomination are still being felt this morning. Joe biden added a tenth state to his list of super victories after nbc news declared him the apparent winner of maine. Wow. The only race we havent been able to call is california. Nbc deems that race still too early to call. Sanders holds a ninepoint lead right now. Of the states massive 415 delegates, sanders has been awarded 161 so far. Biden 100. The former Vice President still leads the overall delegate count, a difference of 52. Meanwhile, Mike Bloombergs decision yesterday to end his campaign means biden now has the room to charge ahead in the moderate lane all by himself. As the race now moves to next tuesdays contests in idaho, michigan, mississippi, missouri, north dakota and Washington State. Heres some of what both biden and bloomberg had to say yesterday. Today i am cleareyed about our overriding objective, and that is, victory in november. [ cheers ] not not victory for me or our campaign, but victory for our country. [ cheers and applause ] if you remember, i entered the race for president to defeat donald trump, and today i am leaving the race for the same reason, to defeat donald trump, because staying in would make it more difficult to achieve that goal. Ive always believed that defeating donald trump starts with uniting behind the candidate with the best shot to do it, and after yesterdays vote it is clear that candidate is my friend and a Great American joe biden. [ cheers and applause ] this is what we have to do to win. This is what we have to do to unify the nation. Thats why i entered the race in the first place. To unify this country. So we welcome all those who want to join us. All those who want to join us, and to build a movement. And this is a movement we are building. It is a movement and we need that movement to beat donald trump and to build a future we all know is possible. Willie, well get to Michael Bloomberg in a minute shand his campaign and his concession speech and his endorsement of joe biden, but first lets talk about joe biden. In the immortal words of monty python, he was not dead. In fact, it was merely a flesh wound. The turnaround, still, if you look at it, you see where he was saturday afternoon. How despondent until bidens campaign were, believing that, you know, he was near the end. To turn around over 27 hours has been one of the most remarkable turnarounds in american political history, and it continues. Yeah. I mean, we added another state overnot with maine making 10 of the 14 states on super tuesday in the column for joe biden. Just 48 hours on Tuesday Morning as we sat here, no one and i mean no one could, have predicted that, including, by the way, people inside joe bidens campaign, but eddie, as weve been talking about this week, africanamerican voters started a wave, and it started in the state of South Carolina and it moved through the south and it went into texas and other places. White suburban voters as well. Older voters. Hes got a calendar now on tuesday, a place like mississippi thats going to look in terms of voting base a lot like those Southern States pap state like michigan, where jb woe biden wins that state, t mayal all she wrote there. Exactly. I asked the question moving into super tuesday whether or not joe biden would lose among the africanamerican vote in way that reflected South Carolina or nevada. He lost the africanamerican vote like he lost it in South Carolina across the south, and the interesting thing i would, that i came to understand watching the results, because i was shocked is that, first, we have a lot of africanamericans who simply agree with joe biden. Right . A lot of africanamerican whose see that getting trump out of office is the most important thing. Right . We also see that Bernie Sanders has to calibrate his read rihet with regards to race. Hes not very good at a race agenda. We have to see what happens moving forward. So much to talk about, eddie. Its something that reverend al and i have been discussing for a year now about how black voters, i think like hispanic voters often are stereotyped and generalized, and put into one group by white liberal politicians and White Conservative politicians, but reverend al said his mentor told him black voters are conservative in every area except on race. Look what happened over the past month, month 1and a half and it will be black voters seen as the moderating force on the Democratic Partys most extreme influences and once again, once again, the most pragmatic voters who look at the field and say, okay. Who gives me the best chance to win . Famously as weve said in 2007, barack obama was running, Michelle Obama was talking to mika, they need to vote for us. Wait, wait. Show us you can win first. Right. Show us you can win first. And once again, black voters have been the pragmatic force in the Democratic Party, asking that question, whos going to win . You know, joe, i find it i was stunned. Its ironic to me that black voters will be the firewall to protect the moderate conservative wing of the Democratic Party. Three things that really come to mind to me. One, as i said earlier, black voters are more moderate and conservative than most people think. Two, i think we still have to kind of keep track of Barack Obamas effect, maybe distorting effect on the black electorate, and, three, kind of think about this question of safety. This buying time as James Baldwin would say that its a cold, calculated risk when we vote to buy ourselves some time. Theres a sense in which a lot of black folk, there are some who support joe biden but a lot of black folk who dont trust White America to vote for a progressive. So in some ways the idea of getting trump out of office requires a kind of safe bet that this person will be, this person will beat trump, but then theres this thing. Back to the first part quickly. As africanamerican voters, some africanamerican voters, i should say, consolidate around joe biden we need to ask ourselves the question. Will this be the Democratic Party that doubled down on triang goo xwla triangulation . As we bank away from the primary and go into the general, will they take advantage of, you know, africanamerican take for granted africanamerican voters and move in a different direction and not Pay Attention . Because its precisely that triangulation that led to dick morris talking the way he talked with clinton, led to the crime bill and legislation being passed. We need to ask hard policy questions talking about the black center being heart of the Democratic Party. We know what that has meant since the clinton revolution in some ways. The black vote is the center and the heart of Democratic Party. Something weve been saying for months here when a lot of white people have been running around in iowa and New Hampshire talking about who the future of the Democratic Party was. Nobody can say who the future of the Democratic Party is until black voters say who the future of the Democratic Party is, and i dont know that black voters going in on super tuesday, asking themselves about dick morris and triangulation or the crime bill and stop and frisk. I think they were asking the same question that a lot of other democrats are asking. Wait a second. Okay. Who has a better chance of beating donald trump . The guy whos still running around defending Fidel Castros programs . In cuba. His Literacy Programs in cuba. Still defending the sandinistans, still defending the soviets talking about their glitters subways . Because you see, heres the thing about blacks in the south. They live in the south. They know the history of the south. They know that republicans dominate the south, and they know that unlike liberals on the Upper East Side of manhattan or in cambridge, massachusetts, they cant take chances on esoteric theories. Its hardball politics, and they got to get the guy, or the woman, who can stop donald trump dead in their tracks. I think thats the calculation. I think its a calculation jim clyburn made, and i think its a calculation that black voters will continue to make throughout this process. But the, their voices, mika, on tuesday night and in South Carolina were remarkable and i got to say, jim clyburn still just such a remarkable powerful voice in the Democratic Party. Certainly they made themselves clear, but heres how senator Bernie Sanders framed joe bidens surge. Joe biden is somebody i have known for many years. I like joe. I think hes a very decent human being. Joe and i have a very different voting record. Joe and i have a very different vision for the future of this country, and joe and i are running very different campaigns. And my hope is that in the coming months we will be able to debate and discuss the very significant differences that we have. Joe is running a campaign which is obviously heavily supported by the corporate establishment. Is this the establishment trying to defeat Bernie Sanders, mr. Vice president . The establishment are all those hard working middleclass people, those africanamericans, those People Living in the cities. Yes, sir [ cheers ] sanders later responded to bidens comments tweeting, no, joe. The establishment are the 60 billionaires funding your campaign, and the corporate funded super pacs that are spending millions on negative ads attacking me. House majority whip James Clyburn as questioned sanders descriptions biden supporters in South Carolina as the establishment telling the daily beast i find if very interesting someone is referring to africanamerican in South Carolina as the establishment. I dont understand how that vote can be dismissed. You really have to say that a guy that owns three houses, thats a millionaire, thats attacking a black voter in orangeburg, South Carolina as the establishment, as the elites may be missing the bigger plot. I want to talk, willie, about Mike Bloomberg and i want to read something thats in the in the in the. Charlie wertzal wrote it. And, of course, everybody was mocking Mike Bloomberg yesterday, like i thought they might, even though not sure why you mock a man for spending a ton of money with one goal in mind. To stop donald trump. But, charlie, in the times says only the number of states won obscures the marvel of a bloomberg experiment in which name recognition and unlimited war chest polling less than 3 on the day announced to 16 by the end of february. It aloud a less than charismatic campaigner and stop and frisk and nondisclosure agreement baggage too skipped the first four nominating states to still manage to crack 10 of the vote and nearly all of the super tuesday contests. If theres a lesson to draw from this it seems to be that atlantics remark, how close it came to working. And you can take out a few things. I think, willie, if Michael Bloomberg had listened to mikas advi advice, and that is start with a lot of media interviews where he was really strong, in media interviews. Prepare yourself more for those debates, or if when you got into those debates you didnt have one candidate, Elizabeth Warren, who so focus seem to take you out of the race. Our explanation was very few people could survive that on the national stage. Especially somebody who had just gotten into the president s race. This is right. This may have actually worked. Yeah. I understand all the jokes about him spending half a billion dollar to win a few delegates in american samoa. All true. The claims this was a vanity project fall flat when the guy made a gambit for super tuesday, it didnt work out and just got out the next day. The vanity project, him staying in and trying to do something at the convention. Seems to me, Steve Rattner, say again that you manage Mike Bloombergs blmoney. Hes a good friend of yours. It didnt work out. As he pledged yesterday hes going to take all that money in defeating donald trump and supporting joe biden. Isnt that what he said from the beginning . And did he have to be convinced to get out of the race or know it was time to go . I agree with you. Did exactly what he said he would do. Devoted all of his resources, put together and Extraordinary Campaign together in absolutely no time. I did spend time with those folks and he did a remarkable job. The debates werent so good but as you and joe and charlie wertzs said, he did elevate himself in way, compare it to for example tom steyer, my friend tom steyer, disclose that as well, who spent 254 million and never got a single delegate. Mike did make an impact on this race and i think mikes support and what will move over to the Biden Campaign will also be meaningful in all of this. So, no. Look, mike saw clearly, as, hes a datadriven guy. The motto at bloomberg, in god we trust all others bring datda. He was cleareyed about it and about his decision to support biden. Can i say one thing on sanders attacks on biden. I think before you Start Talking about the corporate billion theirs and all the rest of the stuff supporting biden, at least two, three things to remember. One, biden had the money. The idea he was supported by corporate billionaires when he beat sanders was sort of hard to imagine. Two, no individual can give more than 2,800. I dont think joe biden or Bernie Sanders can be bought for 2,800. Ludicrous to say, and thirdly the point made, of course, the people who elected him in South Carolina were hardly the corporate establishment as we talk and earlier. Eddie, shaking your head as re listened. The case for Bernie Sanders, argument that we are representing working people, which he is. His platform and the other candidates are tools effectively of the corporate establishment. That argument loses a little steam, seems to me, after super tuesday. After the kind of voters who elected joe biden in all of those states. Right. It requires a little nuance. Hard to have nuance in our political conversation and particularly in the heat of a political battle, but he needs to make a distinction between those who vote, right . And then the political elites and the establishment hes trying to refer to. I mean, it makes sense to me to say that James Clyburn is part of the political establishment. It makes sense to me to talk about the way in which klobuchar and buttigieg and others and how bloomberg have consolidated behind joe biden to begin to talk about them in a particular sort of way, but you cant conflate that with voters. The democratic process is messy. People will make choices at the polls. If you are a democrat, small d, you want to get as much legitimacy to folk making decisions on the voting day as you can, and you know what . On super tuesday, Bernie Sanders got his behind handed to him. He needs to go back and think, why . Kind of as what happened . And to kind of describe it all as just corporate establishment and blah, blah, blah, is too flatfooted. Be more nuance and get the message right if youre really wanting to change the lives of everyday ordinary americans. And eddie, also, makes him look ridiculous. Three months we talked money, w couldnt spend money in super 100,000 in virginia. I mean, how many millions did bernie spend there . I mean, biden won without any money. He won with hardly any political organization. He won on momentum, reputation and name recognition. So, willie, eddies right. When bernies going around spouting these talking points about, hes, but the corporate billionaires won the race for him no, no. Oh. It was black voters in, in orangeburg, South Carolina, in petersburg, virginia. In demopolis, alabama. All you know, in nashville, tennessee. These are states where joe biden didnt spend any money. These are states where people made the decision on their own for Bernie Sanders, hes being a onetrick pony here talking about joe biden bought and known by corporate it just it doesnt work on biden. Because he was dead broke on super tuesday, and bernie had millions and millions and millions of dollars in the bank which is fine. He spent it. Thats great. But money didnt decide super tuesday. Something much bigger decided super tuesday. And thats something much bigger was the question of, who do you trust . Yeah. Who do you trust to beat donald trump . And who do you trust to return normalcy to the United States of americas federal government . Who and you know, those exit poll questions about, do you want to have obamalike policies . Do you want to go even further left . I mean, those exit polls, it wasnt close. They want the return to the normalcy that they saw with barack obama and joe biden in the white house. Yeah. You can add a couple of other states where joe biden didnt play. Less influential were the africanamerican voters but more white suburban votes thats minnesota and massachusetts. The state next door to Bernie Sanders home state of vermont. Joe biden won those states as well and Bernie Sanders at that press briefing yesterday, we just heard, railing against the establishment, also talked about low turnout. He didnt turn out voters the way he thought he would. Young people didnt come out to vote for him, and he obviously did not expand his base of support. He said that out loud. Not just political analysis. He knows that, and he knows if hes going to do better coming up he has to change that. Its unclear how exactly he all of a sudden will be able to court africanamerican voters, for example, in a way he did not on tuesday. Yeah. But, you know, he didnt turn out voters, mika. You know who did . Joe biden. Heres a lead from the New York Times. They were disaffected republicans in affluent washington suburbs. They were shipyard employees in norfolk and they were Health Care Workers in petersburg. They all came together on super tuesday in an extraordinary surge to the polls in virginia to lift joe biden to victory. We want to get an update now on the coronavirus. Weve got now 11 u. S. Fatalities linked to the coronavirus as officials in Washington State yesterday said a tenth person died there. While california announced its first death related to the infection, officials said the deceased persons likely exposure occurred while traveling on a princess cruise ship last month that sailed from San Francisco to mexico. And according to the department of homeland security, and an internal email obtained by nbc news, a medical professional who conducted passenger screenings at Los Angeles International airport has tested positive for the coronavirus. The persons last shift at l. A. X. Was february 21st more than a week before the appearance of symptoms. California governor gavin newsom declared a state of emergency over the outbreak. In new york, 11 people including 9 members of two Westchester County families have tested positive. According to the wall street journal, andrew cuomo, governor said all but one are tide today with a connection being a 52yearold lawyer from new rochelle, the second person in the state to contract the virus. As a result about 1,000 people who attend the mans synagogue are being asked to selfquarantine as a precaution, and as of last night nbc news confirmed more than 150 cases of coronavirus in the u. S. Around 50 of the cases are individuals evacuated from either wuhan, china, or the diamond princess cruise ship. According to the World Health Organization over 95,000 cases have been reported globally with more than 3,2 opinion deaths in 79 countries. Well have much more ahead on the virus, and the administrations response. We have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better who just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work some of them go to work, but they get better. President trump giving credit to people who selfheal from coronavirus. And go back to work. Which is exactly what medical professionals are telling you not to do. Yeah. Were going to go live to the white house to see go back to work. Yeah. Thats what the president is saying . Selfheal and go back to work . Lets listen to the professionals. Well check out if that is really the official line from the Governments Health officials. Youre watching morning joe. Well be right back. 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So if, you know, we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better, just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work. Some of them go to work, but they get better, and then when you do have a death, like you had in the state of washington, like you had one in california. I believe you had one in new york, all of a sudden it seems like 3 or 4 seems like a very high number as opposed to a prakz fraction of 1 . Oh, my god. A false number. What President Trump called the World Health Organizations latest global death rate of the coronavirus talking about a hunch what he has going on. Instead of the scientific numbers, he has a hunch. Whew. Willie, even more sterning than that is the fact that the president of the United States is telling people that theyre going to get better by sitting around and going back to work with the coronavirus. This is exactly what is causing right now consternation up in New Hampshire where a dartmouth hospital employee was told to selfquarantine and instead went out that night to a school event, and now, who knows how far it spread. You look at the new york case to see that one man has infected his entire family, infected the man who drove him to the hospital, who then affected his family. This spreads quickly and easily. So for donald trump to be saying, you know, you can just sit around and get better and, hey, you can even go back to work is about as reckless and irresponsible. You can imagine, lets hope the white house clarifies that later on today. Its totally reckless. Its not a time for Donald Trumps hunches. Its a time for science. Its a time for doctors. Its not a time for donald trump to be calling into cable shows and riffing on things he doesnt know anything about. Its not a time for him to tell people to go back to work when every scientist and every doctor has said just the opposite. Its a time for the cdc, its a time for the World Health Organization toexplaining to thy what this is, how this pandemic is taking hold and what americans should do about it and went so far yesterday, joe, as to blame the Obama Administration, very vaguely. He said, we had to undo a decision they did. Why our response has been so slow. No one seemed to know exactly what he was talking about. There was no decision to be undone. Joining us now from the white house, nbc News White House correspondent Geoff Bennett. Geoff, good morning. Lets talk about the president calling into hannity last night and the riffing on a Global Pandemic that dr. Fauci has said will become a pandemic at some point. Is there any strategy . Is there anyone in the white house who can say to donald trump, its sort of become a moot question over the years, but anyone who can say, this is too important for you to be riffing off the top of your head . If someone is telling the president that its clear hes not listening. Remember last week we reported the Vice President s office was going to use a heavier hand in controlling all of the coronavirus messaging coming out of this white house. Well, then, as it is now it appears President Trump himself is the main one spreading disinformation. Completely contradicting the information and the data put out by Public Health experts. The president disputing the 3. 4 datadriven assessment of the overall coronavirus death rate saying its a false number, no evidence to back it up only saying its a hunch and completely discarding, you rightly point out, advice from Public Health experts to people saying, if you feel sick, stay at home. President trump saying people have gone to work and somehow have gotten better and also said theres been a death reported in new york. There had been no deaths reported in new york from coronavirus. There has been that case that joe mentioned. So clearly the president is trying to put a rosy sheen on things, trying to reassure the public that the administration has it under control, but hes doing it in a way where hes spreading disinformation. That said, though, Public Health experts do say the administration is doing a couple of things right, in part naming debbie burks. Obama appointee, state Department Ambassador at large brings 30plus years at reallife experience. Someone who is serious, soberminded, a real professional now coordinating the daytoday coronavirus response. Ive talked to people who say they hope shes fully empowered to do the job. Mike pence going to the 3m headquarters today. This government contracted with 3m to make more of those masks and then head to Washington State grappling with the coronavirus outbreak there, too. Thank you, Geoff Bennett at the white house. Mika, point is there are really good people working on this. Theyve put good, smart, experienced people in place. When the president calls into a news show, swamps all the date and science that is there. Absolutely. Still ahead were going to speak if we can say this also, mika. Its also important, we actually have i wont aa rosay a road how to better contain this virus, but there are countries that have dealt with this. Right. China dealt with it in a heavyhanded way, but apparently, if the numbers can be trusted, the number of infections are going down. You see whats happened in singapore. You see whats happened in japan. You see whats happening in italy. There is an aggressiveness where people are being isolated, where schools are being closed down, where things are, you know, the governments are taking fairly aggressive actions, and it is stopping an epidemic. Helping. From becoming a pandemic. At least at this point. We dont know whats going to happen in the future, but we can learn by whats already been going on in china. The mistake that they made. One of the mistakes they made was a lack of transparency. They werent straightforward. They kept trying to downplay the epidemic, and because of it theyre facing a crisis that could explode into a pandemic that could ravage their country. Look at iran. Irans having a terrible time. Once again, the iranian government simply cannot tell the truth to the public in iran. They are incapable of truthtelling, and because of it, you see the epidemic causing a, ravaging their leadership ranks in iran. The United States of america should be able to learn from the mistakes of china and iran. Should be able to learn about the proper way to do it. I know that donald trump is not capable of doing that. But for the love of god, i am hopeful that Vice President pence and other Health Care Officials in that administration, that people close to the president of the United States can ask him at the very least to back up and back off, because there are a lot of conservatives, there are a lot of older americans, who voted for donald trump before and who will vote for donald trump again. Heck, they go to his rallies. Who will go to his rallies. Who will hear from their doctors, and understand that what the president is saying is reckless and false and could put their lives in danger. So theres no political up side to lying about our down playing this epidemic. And the net result of that is turning and epidemic that can be controlled into a pandemic that races out of control across the globe and kills far too Many Americans and other citizens across the world. Great way of making that point. And still ahead were going to speak to a doctor and a virus expert set to testify before congress this morning about developments for a vaccine, which is still months away. Plus, house lawmakers have overwhelmingly approved an 8. 3 billion emergency aid package. Today it heads over to the senate. Were going to talk to democratic senator chris murphy about that. Morning joe will be right back with the atlantic magazines Jeffrey Goldberg. Schwab, a modern approach to wealth management. professor sthe product of sound pressure tand a component of the partial velocity at a point. [sounds] kazoo sound in august 1619, a ship appeared on this horizon, near point comfort, virginia. It carried more than 20 enslaved africans, who were sold to the colonists. No aspect of the country we know today has been untouched by the slavery that followed. America was not yet america, but this was the moment it began. [sfx typing] how we worship, or who we love. 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The smartest man in the world. Hospital stockless go up. Are you kidding me . It really is just a clown show. Yes on a a deadly, deadly topic. Joining u. S. Now editorinchief of the atlantic magazine. Jeffrey goldberg and contributor to Time Magazine msnbc news political analyst and former aide to the george w. Bush white house and state departments elise jordan. Well get to the super tuesday elections in a second. First the cover of the atlantic is too timely about Donald Trumps war on institutions. Experts on the run. Really. Yesterday, last night, on cable news, he attacked the World Health Organizations estimates on the lethality of the coronavirus. And it will certainly continue today. Unfortunately for donald trump, a virus doesnt really care about loyalty oats, or who you voted for four years ago. Right. The no. Youre right. George packer cover story is incredibly timely, although in a way its didnt timely for three years because experts have been on the run in this administration for three year, and georges point, i mean, we focused on the justice department, on the state department. What is true there is also true at any of the scientistoriented branches of government and the thing to worry about the most is this. You have a lot of people, i live in washington i know a lot of these people, hanging on in their jobs. In cdc, noaa, thinking maybe there will be a change in november. It theres not a change, if this shifts to what George Packard calls a permanent condition youll see a further exodus, further mass departure of experts from government agencies. Remember, the government is one of the hugest employers of scientists in the world. We rely on them for everything to understand the weather and climate to you dont want to see any of these people driven out of government by a president who has no relationship to empirical reality. Of course, a president who also in talking to these scientists doesnt look at their expertise or health care professionals. He literally looks at their loyalty and wonders about a loyalty ethic. We have a director of hhs that would not let his employees do their job, not let topless do their job because he was afraid they would actuallysomething th ignorant president. Here we find ourselves so far behind where the United States of america should be right now. Right. Anthony fauci just as an example is one of the worlds leading scientists on this. If you are a president in ordinary time, and this is what president obama did, obviously, you defer. He spent his lifetime studying infection disease, and wherever the facts lead Anthony Fauci is where Anthony Fauci and others, i dont want to isolate it on him, where they should be allowed to go. And when youre worried about angering the president by saying something that might affect the economy in an untoward way, were not getting the best information, and our scientists, again, going back to the central point, our scientists will say, you know what . The private sector has a lot of opportunities for me, and im not going to eat this forever. You know, we, elise jordan, this morning have been talking about super tuesday. Been talking about the souths oversized role in super tuesday in helping shape where this Democratic Party is going. You know, elise, you and i have grown up in the south hearing how conservatism has impacted the Republican Party in the deep south. What we saw this past week was how conservative to moderate black voters in the southeast actually impacted the democratic race, and proved once again and, please, all democratic candidates, please, understand if youre running nationwide, proved once again that twitter is not consistent with the mainstream of the Democratic Party. Well, running up to South Carolina, i just, in the back of my mind i didnt see large numbers of africanamerican voters coming over to Bernie Sanders. I wondered with joe biden having such a slump who was going to be the frontrunner. Id heard some talk of bloomberg from different candidates in the south he was emerging as an attractive option but then bloomberg had his bad debate appearance, and then you look at what happened, and its such a reminder that the Democratic Party has seeded so much ground in the south, because they are unwilling to make a pitch to moderate democratic voters who might be out of step with democrats in urban areas that are more cosmopolitan and might just be looking for a more moderate choice. So i think when posed with Bernie Sanders versus joe biden, we see what happened, and i would like to see the Democratic Party trying to make more of a play, more candidates like doug jones around the south trying to, you know, appeal to voters who might not be ready for fullblown democratic socialism, but are, want to consider a shift from the trump Republican Party. Jeffrey, we race through the news cycles so quickly. Its worth pausing and thinking where we were 48 hours ago. Forget a week ago. 48 hours. Who really knows . Joe biden sweeping through ten states on super tuesday, Michael Bloomberg out of the race endorsing joe biden pledging to spend whatever he needs to spend to defeat donald trump. Mayor Pete Buttigieg, senator Amy Klobuchar, harry reid jumping onboard. Michigan ahead on tuesday. We expect another endorsement on this show coming up shortly from the state of michigan that may help joe biden in that state where Bernie Sanders has been leading. Just your view of where we are in this race right now . Oh, im not going to predict any damn thing. [ laughter ] huhuh. We learned that three years ago how about looking back about how we got where we are. Right, right. What everything seems so obvious now. Right . I mean, how many hundreds of obituaries did we read for joe bidens political career in the last month . You know, but its interesting, because the political physics seem to be working here in a way it didnt work in the republican nomination. Turns out theres an awful large number of regular democrats, quote unquote, who value name recognition, loyalty to the previous very, very Popular Democratic president , longterm service, the sort of empathy that joe biden gives off. I mean, these things that the professional class, the sort of observers and by the way joes right what you read on twitter if you read twitter youd think that joe biden couldnt run for dog catcher in wilmington. Thats the impression that one got. So i dont want to predict anything. I do i just think we all have to be sort of humble about trying to predict where things are going, because theres the reality shifts so quickly, and what seems so obvious today was so not obvious a week ago. Im sure beam saying, no, no, no. Biden can come back, but we didnt hear very much of that. Steve, youre looking at the numbers and the road ahead for Bernie Sanders as he tries not to catch up to joe biden. Something he didnt think hed have to do 48 hours ago. Im focused on the policies. Joe made a reference earlier to the fact as well as biden has done and as much as biden contradicted to his own success, when you look at those exit polls you see voters clearly preferred a more moderate approach to socialism. Im not sure people understand exactly what bernie is for. Give you idea what bernie is for and put numbers around that. With charts. Broadest perspective in terms what Bernie Sanders would do to the sides of the government. Literally double the size of the government from 22 of gdp at the moment to 43 of gdp under his plan over ten years. That means 43 cents of every dollar that circulates through the American Economy would pass through the hands of the government. Higher than the end of world war ii when in full war mobilization effort. Just to give you a sense of perspective, even Elizabeth Warren who took obviously a lot of incoming for her positions on expansionary Government Policies would have enonly increased it and jb talking 1. 5 increase to 24 , joe biden, comparing also to a half percent that Hillary Clinton proposed and john kerry and others proposed during their campaigns. Were in a whole another world here. If you look how we get there. Needless to say, maybe not surprisingly to say, medicare for all clocks in at the biggest peeft. Half of the total. 30 trillion out of the 57 trillion that Bernie Sanders wants to add to federal spending over the next two years, the Green New Deal clocks in at 16 trillion and an array of smaller things. Remember his Free College Tuition for all. Remember universal child care and remember eliminating student debt and so all very worthy objectives but all costing 57 trillion. Some estimates even higher, as much as 100 trillion over the next ten years. Where is the money going to come from . Hes proposed a bunch of taxes, raising individual taxes including payroll taxes partly on the here toly people wont have to spend as much as holte care. Proposed a health tax as well. On the corporate side raising corporate rates again all sorts of financial transactions, taxes and so ons, a bunch of other savings. The biggest thing he does not pay for half of his plan. So half of his 57 trillion is unpaid for. Which means it ends up in the budget deficit, which means it ends up in the federal debt, which means that the federal debt today which is roughly 80 of gdp goes to 140 of gdp under his plan. More than 20 trillion of new debt. You know, eddie, small Government Conservatives like myself are concerned about that growing debt. Concerned about Donald Trumps massive deficit. A lot of democrats arent at concerned, i think its safe to say, but what ive heard over the past several days from democratic voters has been much like what people were saying in britain several months ago when Jeremy Corbyn wkoscorbyn was ru than is the disbelief in these promises. Were never going to get this. Hes promising us these pie in the sky things and we understand in america nothings free and theres no way hes going to be ale to deliver. So why should i waste my vote . And so i found that interesting, because ive been hearing for several months that Bernie Sanders is not Jeremy Corbyn that we cant draw a parallel between those two men, but i would suggest this morning as we look back on the wreckage of Bernie Sanders last week, i think thats exactly where we can go. The numbers just dont add up. Joe, i think we could debate that particular analogy, but i want to say this. One of the more insidious features of our con tech error political environment is the alljot assault on our imaginations. I mean we seem to imagine the only thing available to us is that which is right in front of us. We cant seem to think outside of our current ideological boxes. I understand what steve is putting forward, but the scale of the crisis that we face when we think about the Green New Deal we have to think about that proposal in light of the fact that the Climate Crisis is at a pitch height, when we think about free student relieving student debt we have to think about how a generation is in some ways buried under student debt. Why dont we do this . Have politicians that actually think, put together a plan that actually is realistic, that can be paid for, even with higher taxes, yes. Even say we have to raise taxes. Weve got to cut the Defense Budget by 100 billion. Why dont we have leaders that come forward with plans that actually can be paid for . Right. Plans that can actually pass the United States senate, a democratic United States senate, instead of just shooting out these pie isnt the sky ideas that will never pass the senate. I mean, i understand what youre saying. We dont need to look at things right in front of us, but come on. This is not an either or. You can find something who actually has thoughtful approaches that dont cost 50 trillion or 60 trillion, which we dont have. Right. So you can have, actually do that. Think about what happened to Elizabeth Warren. The moment at which she put forward a plan to pay for her medicare for all proposition and we heard from kidding, like Steve Rattner simply attack her medicaid for all. It was 30 trillion we dont have 30 trillion. Yes. The thing is, we have actually, what we say we dont have, i think we do, because if we go to but but but, you know, the thing is, goes cost 30 trillion. Oh, guess what . Im not going to raise taxes on middle class voters. Thats just a lie. And Everybody Knows that. Its a lie. What . So if im going to vote, why vote for her if she says shes going to spend 30 trillion, but taxes arent going to be raised on middle class americans . You know thats not true and i know thats not true. Right. Her Plan Suggested she wouldnt raise it, but i think youre absolutely right. We need to be honest with the American People ar the scale of the sacrifices we have to make in order to change the course of the nation. We have to break the cycle. Also have to be honest about what this plan is. This is democratic socialism. This is taking the government to be 45 of the entire economy. Steve, i think beyond what exists in europe today. More important to think of this as an extension what new deal democrats actually took themselves this is so far bigger than the new deal. Far bigger f. We took what fdr tried to do in his period and apply it to real dollars today it would probably be even more expensive. No. But, steve, just trying to say to you the scale of the problem that we face, bidens response, clintons response, kerrys response is not sufficient. I mean, its just not sufficient. I dont disagree about that, but lets come up with a plan that makes sense that we can pay for, can afford and keep the economy doing. In the course of doing this we bring down the economy that doesnt solve problems either. I know who to talk to about this when we continue the conversation. Much more about the president s nomination including new reporting why joe bidens chances of becoming the nominee may be even bigger than they seem. Plus, this is who i was talking about. New york city mayor bill de blasio joins the conversation to weigh in on the race. Mike bloombergs exit, and what the city is doing to keep the coronavirus from spreading even more. Well be right back. W silvd adds to the legendary capability of the strongest, most advanced silverados ever. 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I will tell you that in iowa we tripled we increased by 33 . The number of young people, who are participating. Not familiar with these sticks. Statistics. I really havent seen them, but this is the challenge that we have. Hmm. Welcome back to morning joe. It is thursday march 5th. Still with joe, willie and me we have former aide to the george w. Bush white house and state departments elise jordan. Editorinchief of the atlantic magazine Jeffrey Goldberg and joining the conversation chief Public Affairs officer for move on and an msnbc contributor, kareen john kerr and house senator for the Dave Wasserman will be with us in just a moment, and new york city mayor bill debloudde blasio who endorsed senator Bernie Sanders. Talk politics in a minute. First the coronavirus. Obviously theres a Westchester County case which shows just how quickly the coronavirus spreads. A 50yearold lawyer gives to do his family and the man who drives him to the hospital who also spreads it. This is obviously not a virus that you want to treat the way the president of the United States has said, which is oh, sit aaron and go back to work. What is new york city doing to limit the spread of this virus . Joe, right now we are in a containment strategy, and so far its working. Its going to be a big question Going Forward how much we can sustain that here or anywhere else in the country. Bottom line is, test the most people possible who are pertinent. Stay ahead of the situation. Get people immediately isolated that need to be isolated and get them care. If theres good news here in our experience, we only have four people as of this morning who have tested positive. Of the tests completed 25 have come back negative so far. The batting average is good. On the four people, the ones who are previously tested, two of them are doing better. So in terms of folks coming through this okay, were seeing obviously people get tested, get care immediately, get isolated, vast majority will come through okay. The problem is the federal government was very late to the dan getting tests out. Still late getting volumes we need. We need to get testing up to hundreds or thousands quickly and cant do it alone. We need the federal government. Theres a strange kind of approach avoidance to use a psychological term here in the federal response. It was deny and underestimate for a while. Then seemed to pick up in the last few days but still not materially what it needs to be. Localities need the maximum ability to toast help est to stf this and reassuring to people, joe, when folks hear actual consistent transparent information. I say trying to be the antichina in new york city and constantly update people right down to the specifics of the person, where their from, what school they went to, whatever it is. That helps people stay calm. We can only do that if we have testing and the ability to constantly update the reality. Mr. Mayor, at the risk of turning this into a new york one interview, i love it, by the way. Talk about what you would say to families this morning . A lot of parents getting up with their parents today. I hear it in my own house and others worried about getting on the subway that fear of not having the nmpginformation you. I joke about new york one what do you say . I was a Public School parent and say exactly what i said for my own kids. Its really important to understand what this disease is and what isnt. Our Public Health folks constantly make the compares ton measles. Were hanging out here we can transmit measles easily. Coronavirus so far takes more to transmit. You need to really have some direct contact. You need to have the kind of exposure you wouldnt get casually on the subway, for example. The other thing is, historically what were seeing over the weeks is young people do a lot better than older people. Healthy people do a lot better than folks with preexisting conditions, particularly respiratory conditions. If your child is healthy you basically have little to worry about. Your child has a serious respiratory problem, really keep an eye on the situation if anyone in your school or in your life may have it. We want separation immediately and that we protect your child. Thats the exception. Not the rule. Bring in Dave Wasserman with us to talk about the election. Dave, Rachel Maddow last night interviews Bernie Sanders. Sanders kept talking about the young vote growing and coming out. Rachel pointed out to him that actually it had gone down on super tuesday from four years ago. What can you tell us about the numbers, the youth vote, the myth of the expanded electorate that Bernie Sanders team has been pushing for some time now . Yeah, joe. Sanders has pledged to expand the electorate and bring in young and nonwhite new supporters looks empty right now. His coalition has shrunk since 2016, not grown. Weve seen happen, in fact, the democratic electorate has gotten less progressistic since 2016, not more. You know why . Theres a new name for all of those suburban republicans who dont like donald trump. And its called democrats. Theyre voting in the democratic primary and so you have kasich and rubio people who had been voting for pete and amy and voted in big numbers for biden in places Like Northern virginia and places where biden rolled up huge margins on tuesday. I saw matt lewis with an i voted sticker for virginia and it was jarring to see matt. This guy whos been a small Government Conservative for years talking about voting in the democratic primary for the first time in his life. That was remarkable. Something he would have never imagined doing five years ago, but, again, that seems to be happening time and time again. Youve written an article talking about how joe biden may actually be closer to locking down the democratic nomination than all of us think. Explain why. Yeah. Look, in terms of the drama this race could be far from over, but in terms of the math, this race is pretty close to over in my estimation. I late to be a buzzkill, but when you look at the way the democrats apportioned delegates, entirely proportional basis, that means that delegate leads can be difficult to build, but they can be even harder to overtake. And keep in mind that Bernie Sanders lost the delegate count substantially on tuesday, even though a ton of his delegates and votes were attributable to people who cast ballots before South Carolina. Before Amy Klobuchar and Pete Buttigieg got out of the race. Now bloombergs out of the race, and so he doesnt have that advantage Going Forward and if you were to model the future contest results off of the states that just voted on super tuesday, the voters who cast ballots after the other moderates got out of the race, biden would steamroll through michigan, missouri. Florida would be Something Like 7030. Sanders needs a Seismic Shift in this race to have any chance of catching up. Wow. Mr. Mayor, listening patiently to this analysis and are a supporter of senator sanders. Theres no getting around the fact he had a bad night tuesday night. Hes conceded that, that he didnt expand his base. Young voters didnt come out the way he hope ehoped. What does he have to do to the next election only five days away . With all due respect to the previous commentary, a oneonone race which i think this will be momentarily is an entirely different animal. By the way, when Bernie Sanders excelled and shocked the world in 2016 in a oneonone matchup, respect joe biden i really do, but joe biden as a candidate previous to the last 100 hours or so has had a lot of challenges in terms of what he stands for, what is his vision where is he taking us . How does he account for previous votes taken, the iraq war an example. Now its a oneonone matchup where voters have a very different kind of choice. Bernie Sanders Campaign clearly has shown tremendous capacity to organize and the other thing that is missed here, i think, is somethings changing on the ground. The latino vote reality, which was getting a lot of attention in nevada is not getting the attention it deserves right now. How did Bernie Sanders go from a guy that didnt have much latino vote to a guy that dominates the latino vote . Because they worked it really hard. They have real work to do. Im a part of it, team Bernie Sanders have work to do in these next weeks but he showed in nevada, texas, california, he can go get a much greater share than the latino vote than predicted. We got to do it again. Reach deeper into groups of people in the primary who might have been with other candidates previously. But that measure, that strange 27 hour, 100hour dynamic we went through in the last days is a thing unto itself. What happened, Bernie Sanders seems to explain, for your take, he got his clock cleaned among africanamerican veoters across the country through the south. He has to change that dynamic. You know well. Why was he losing between 40 and 50 points among african men vamn voters . I understand it. Low information . No, no. Saying you had a whole lot of candidates, which i think is a very different discussion. The information i think people received about joe biden was some of his historic connection, understandably means something to people. Barack obama . Of course. One race, pure little science. Oneonone race brings 0 ut a different set of information and comparisons. Joe bidens record i think this is a fair statement, did not get a ton of examination when theres eight candidates as all of these cross look, if Pete Buttigieg had had a couple of different outcomes we would be talking about Pete Buttigieg right now. Not joe biden. So now its a chance to really examine joe biden. His history on social security. Which i think a lot of black voters and democratic progressive voters are not going to be comfortable with. History, of course, on the iraq war. Now this is the kind of examination to go through. By the way, as a democrat, i want that examination, because let me finish. Donald trump is going to come at whoever the nominee is. Sure. Like a ton of bricks. I want them put through the paces and want it to be a tough decision. Brgs will Bernie Sanders can say youre not guaranteeing health care for all americans. But americans want health care. Said to a group of donors, nothing will fundamentally change if i am president. The way youre thats a pob fro problem for democrats. All of those who voted for joe biden overwhelmingly didnt know enough about them, youre saying, after 50 years in the public scaquare . Willie, i disday glagredisag. You hear what you could never do with six, eight, ten people on the stage. I say it negatively, until 100 hours ago you all projected joe biden might be about to leave the race. The Biden Campaign was saying the same and all of those voters voting for joe biden. Heres a guy may be around may not be around. Very different from heres a guy to be next president. Three people can be president of the United States. Donald trump, Bernie Sanders, joe biden. Now the public gets deadly serious in estimations and those comparisons really, really matter at this point. If black voters, and im someone whos had the blessing of tremendous support in my campaigns in the black community. I ran as a candidate of change because black voters certainly do not like the status quo. If joe biden cannot present a vision of change and Bernie Sanders can on a oneonone matchup its a different discussion. Joe wants it, campaigning for a year and a half. The idea these voters of these states havent heard enough. In a muddle. Come on, willie. Ten people, eight people. Its been a muddle every time you have a oneonone matchup its a different discussion. Joe wants to jump in, let me ask this one question, because you asked an interesting question. You said, what does he stand for . What does joe biden stand for . The answer might be normalcy. In this context thats change. Weve talk and the show for years about the toggling back and forth. Is the reaction to donald trump going to be something that is extreme or back to some sort of establishment centrism . Seems many voters in the last week have said, you know what . Time tested guy, eight years as Vice President. Normal. I mean, we know all the gaffes and Everything Else. Normalcy represents now kind of change. Mr. Mayor, get joe in. Go ahead, joe. I was just going to say, mr. Mayor, you said when its a oneonone race Bernie Sanders and the voters will get a better look at things like joe bidens vote for the iraq war in 2003. Same holds through of course for Bernie Sanders. They can see that this is a guy that ran for afoffice, was defeated by the nra and then made peace with nra, in fact, became an aggressive supporter of the nra and voted to shield gun manufacturers from liability and voted for the crime bill. A crime bill that some of these civil Rights Groups voted against. That cuts both ways. Does it not . Oh, joe, unquestionably. And but ill take that comparison any day of the week. If you say Bernie Sanders, a couple issue, been first to say, needs to explain to people why he made votes as a certain time versus joe biden who essentially has an endless record of those kind 6 votes and statements that people are going to ask more and more tough questions about, but to the previous point, respectfully, i dont think people are looking for normalcy. I think they want to stop the madness democrats want to stop the madness what weve gone through think donald trump. Go back to africanamerican voters, young voters, latino, progressive voters. Theyre not trying to get back to the world before trump, the day before trump, because it was such a Wonderful World and so much fairness and equality in america. I want to be really careful on this. Only three people can be president now. If youre a democrat, two people to choose between. If youre one of those voters who needs change in your life, who is not having a great experience for so many of them in america want to see real change, how is joe biden going to convince you he will change things . Of course hell be better than trump and is a very good, decent human being, but where is his vision of change . Joe biden has spent a lifetime in the status quo, and i think this is a vulnerability and joe, invoke one of your heroes. Joe biden cant be the outsider candidate. He cant be the candidate who says im going to disrupt whats broken. Donald trump did that effectively in 2016. As did barack obama in 2008. As did Ronald Reagan in 1980. The outsider who can disrupt a broken status quo is in a strong position. My fear is joe biden up against donald trump, joe biden looks like the candidate of status quo. In ways empowers donald trump. Ive got to say, from everybody i have talked to, democrats, republicans, independents alike, there is a sense of exhaustion that has set in over this country because of three and a half years of absolute chaos from donald trump. There are a lot of people who think change back to normalcy as it was under barack obama will be a pretty a pretty damn good place to start. And there are a lot of things that voters obviously see in Bernie Sanders that they dont find comforting. I am curious. Following up on what willie asked, why is it that Bernie Sanders does so poorly among black voters . Why is it that he spent the past four years trying to expand that base of support among black voters, and yet things have only gotten worse for him . Look, i think for every candidate you have to constantly improve your game and your work. I think why hasnt he . Hes had four years. Didnt even ask jim clyburn for his support. Joe, i want to put that aside. Well known where jim clyburn was going. No, no. No it wasnt. Jim clyburn, i need to be accurate here. Jim clyburn the week before he made his endorsement still wasnt sure which direction he was going. Lets go to this point. You could say the same of Bernie Sanders coming out of 2016 about latino vote, put a huge amount of focus and energy absolutely blew the doors off the latino vote in texas and california, which bluntly so why dont black voters let me get this point in, ive heard you talk about his phi hispanics. We need to know why black voters dont trust Bernie Sanders . We have to go out into the community. 2 million africanamericans in my city. Its my job and everyone elses job in the community to gain that kind of respect to bernie and connection for bernie we need and i think we can do to. The latino parallel was from nowhere in 2016 to stunning result in 2020. Obviously he has capacity to expand his coalition. He can say to people he has a vision of change that they need in their lives. Thats what he has to do we all have to do effectively. Again, its a oneonone race, its a different discussion. Mr. Mayor, we need to move it. Got a lot of people. Forgive me for cutting you off. Why did you cut him off . Alex is yelling in my ear and everybody wants to talk to you. Joe, you can cut me off anytime. You can cut me off as well wells well. Karine, why such a lack of trust when it comes to black voters and Bernie Sanders . Yeah, so one thing i want to say while medicare for all and the Green New Deal is very popular, here many ts thing. Voters are not voting on ideology. They are votering on the fear of for more years of donald trump. That is what i am hearing. While the africanamerican vote, the black vote, is a block, it is a diverse block. The one thing thats connecting them is, how will the next four years look like if donald trump gets reelected . And so theres that fear, theres a desperation. And you know, Bernie Sanders last sunday had an opportunity to go to selma, to march over the Edmund Pettus bridge and he didnt show up. A huge miss for him. The day after South Carolina going into super tuesday and he just wasnt there, even, mayor Pete Buttigieg was there, who at that point he probably was thinking about dropping out. Right . And he still showed up, and it got him in goodwill. So the thing that i have, mayor, you say that, you know, we need a oneonone, but in 2016 there was a oneonone with Hillary Clinton and bernie didnt do well with black voters back in 2016. And hes been running for five years and, yes, doing, youre absolutely right, doing well with the young Latin X Community and an amazing ground effort, diverse staffers but a message is missing to black voters. My question to you what is the message, what does he need to do to expand that base and build a coalition that hes going to need especially going into super tuesday thats coming up in a couple of days . Karine, i think in the end, again, judging from my experience in the most diverse place on earth. I think that what ive heard from africanamericans all over new york and all over the country is, in fact, they are not looking to just go back to, you know, the end of october 2016 and the status quo we knew before. I agree with joe entirely, agree with everyone, that job one, get rid of donald trump, get rid of the clear and present danger to all of us, obviously particularly for africanamericans thats crucial. But i want to be clear. If ever theres a community that has led the nation in wanting to see change in our economic and social reality it is the black community. I think bernies message and vision connects very directly. I think this is about good, oldfashioned campaigning, connecting to people more deeply. 345 making the message sharper. By the way, look what joe biden just went through. You could not discern the message for most of the last year. He has tightened it up in recent weeks. I give him credit for that. Now, game on. Its up 0 toto our side to get clean message people can believe in. I think people are dynamic when voters are looking in each state anew at the situation, new information. If joe biden was so perfectly beloved before it would have shown up in National Polls and Everything Else previously over the last year. Didnt it, though . No, no, no. He was lagging in recent months coming up to the primaries and caucuses. The fact is, i think what we have to realize is, a brand new discussion. Things move so fast in modern american politics, that a few days can make a difference. So now its up to bernie and all of us who support him to get out into communities uncolluding the black communities and bernie is the one to bring profound change to africanamericans and an americans and change the race. This thing could change a bunch of things. If anyone think its the over look at history. Two candidates neck and neck in a delegate count both with tremendous projection capacity. Bernie has all the resources in the world. This is going to be an intense fight over the next few weeks and bernie has the opportunity to go into any community and win a lot of support. And Dave Wasserman made the case why he thinks joe biden is the frontrunner and probably will run away with the nomination. What is the path that you see and how would you counter daves math and what states do you see Bernie Sanders being competitive in . Coming up next tuesday. First i think someone said the other day, i think jon meacham, if anyone thinks we understand american politics were wrong. Its gotten to a point its everchanging and we cant predict anything. Clean slate. The path is to go into states where you can put together a combination of obviously strength, working class voters, with progressive voters, with latino voters as a base that describes a lot of places including new york. That describes pennsylvania. In large measure that describes michigan. Put together that combination and then build it out. Because that next debate, by the way, tune in, everybody. Youre going to have the biggest contrast youve seen in a long time on march 15th and thats going to reverberate outward into everything thereafter and no one in the world can tell me this election will be decided before the next debate. So youre going to see pure contrast. What Elizabeth Warren did to Michael Bloomberg, different situation, but one debate changed the world versus hundreds of millions of dollars. That next debates going to be crucial. Wow. Do you think your candidate, next debate, will continue to embrace castros Literacy Program and chandeliers in the subways . Can he just say, castro, bad guy, bad regime a totalitarian regime and enslaved the cuban people for over half a century . Why is that so hard for bern ie to just say i. Love the fact bernie says exactly what he feels and i think people admire and appreciate it. Thats trumpee. Sometimes good not to say what you think, if the complementary to castro and the sandinistans. Left finish the sentence. Separate the two points. Beal bluntly objective. Condemns them as dictators obviously. And says different societies produce different things. Thats not the point. I agree if you say that argument is, and by the way, im being with you, this is, the spirit of Chris Matthews now. Interrupting you every three seconds now. People need more chris. We love chris and miss chris, but that is the argument. Literacy programs in cuba . Thats the mussolini argument, he made the trains run on time. Nothing more. Nothing less. I agree with you, in fact, joe. A moment of a beautiful coming together here. Its beautiful. Im feeling wonderful. Mussolini comparison is a good one and two, everyone should shot talking about it. Its not per nent to thetinent situation. What do americans want to talk about . Bra bread and butter issues. Is bernie happy about winning the cold war . I kid. What bernie needs to do and ill do it as supporter of bernie get back to the basicss we dont want to talk about things from decades ago not even pertinent to the american discussion anymore. Talk about things that will actually change peoples lives. Health care. Number one issue. We can agree. Bernie is 110 believable as someone who will change our Health Care System and get more People Health care. Talk about that and he has a winning hand. Leave the past in the past. Right. So mr. Mayor, no secret youre not a big fan of your predecessor mayor Mike Bloomberg and happy to see him get out of the race. On tuesday you said hes won essentially nothing. Justice is being served. He came out yesterday. Backed joe biden. You dont like that either, i understand that, but he has said hes willing to spend whatever it takes to defeat donald trump. Which i think you agree as a democrat is the goal. I commend him. Is that a net good thing Michael Bloomberg will spend a billion of his own money to defeat donald trump whoever wins the nomination . A very good thing. I commend him. Said he would do it for any candidate. Real decency to beating trump. The big story, but a coda, exclamation point on it is hundreds of millions of dollars, most money spent in the history of american politicance and it didnt work. A good thing for democracy. Actually means those debates were more important than all the advertising in the world. I said on nbc the other night had you actually did have all the advertising in the world and it wasnt enough. I commend Michael Bloomberg for being willing to use his resources to help defeat donald trump. I do, too. New york city mayor bill de blasio, thank you very much for being on this morning. And got to get joe to get into a spirit of comedy. Where he doesnt interrupt no. Comedy or comity . Its both. Comedy and conti. Exacomity. Come back next week. Keep the conversation doing. Were baiting you with the bernie talk only to get updates on what we really want to talk about coronavirus and new york city. Thank you. Absolutely. All in this together, brother. By the way, mika, next block were going to talk a lot to Dave Wasserman, having him break down what exactly happened on super tuesday and deep thoughts with Jeffrey Goldberg. I love that. Exciting music . Vi anything . Have it soon. Its not the white house thats just up for grabs in 2020. The battle for the u. S. Senate has huge implications, and theres a new development on that front from montana. Thats exciting. Well fill in those details just ahead on morning joe. Liberty mutual customizes your Car Insurance so you only pay for what you need. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. No. Uh uh, no way. Come on. No. No. N. Ni ni, no no only discover has no annual fee on any card. N. 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Joe, i know if i were Steve Bullock i dont think i would do it, and the reason, senate races are will popular governors go to lose. Seve evan bayh, phil readson try to flip states. Its possible to elect popular governors in places like massachusetts and vermont and he is a democratic senator from montana but a tough sell in a president ial year to elect a secondtougher in a president ial year in his state than it would have been in 18 . Yeah. And got to give voters a reason to fire an incumbent republican senator. A lot of arm twisting by Chuck Schumer to expand the map but more likely a republican majority runs through states like maine, north carolina, possibly georgia. What is that majority battle look like right now to you . Its still uphill for democrats, and when you add in the fact that democrats are going to lose a seat off the bat in alabama. I really dont see a path for doug jones. Essentially start at 46 seats meaning hes in plus 4 and the vice presidency to break a tie. Look at arizona and colorado. Those are pretty good for democrats at the moment. Cory gardner and mcsally will probably lose if the election were held next week. Maine is looking tenuous for Susan Collins and north carolina, weve seen thom tillis poll pretty poorly against the democrat Kyle Cunningham who won his primary convincingly. Looking increasingly line a tossup and a great democratic opportunity. Jeffrey goldberg, what what as far as the fight for the senate, the fight for the house, the fight for the white house would you. Everything obviously up in the air. Whats your read right now with the state of the Democratic Party and the way they were able to consolidate and a way that republicans werent able to consolidate against donald trump . Do you think that they are positioning themselves to give donald trump a serious run for his money . Right. Its just the part i give my deep thought. If you conjured one, i have superficial deep thoughts i have on this subject. Right. The what strikes me is, yeah. I mean, thats the dramatic thing here. That the Republican Party, the regular Republican Party, could not withstand the onslaught and the wave of donald trump. And im not comparing donald trump to Bernie Sanders. Very different kinds of people obviously, but the democrats have to borrow from another story shown a kind of immune response to disruptive kind of ideological leaders that the Republican Party didnt, and i think i mean, the mayor was doing a very good job of spinning on behalf of his candidate, but i didnt find it hugely compelling. I think in this case and i come back to this point that we were talking about a little while ago. The change that joe biden represents, and this is why you could plausibly call him a change candidate is that hes normal. Relatively normal for people who run for president , obviously. Theres a normalcy here, and in this period where people are exhausted and both exhausted and frightened by whats happening in the executive branch, people are looking at people like biden and saying, you know what . This will deliver us, return us to the status quo ante to what it felt like in the obama period. That has to help and lift in some ways the Senate Chances for democrats. Yeah. All right. Now, of course, we do our debut segments of deep thoughts with Jeffrey Goldberg brought to you by ricearoni. A great sponsor. Thats great underwriting. Complete with a coronavirus mask inside the ricericearoni. Heres the question. In Joni Mitchell verse which spoke the most . The clouds verse, life verse or love verse . Which do you not understand . I think hes slightly older than i am. Talk about lead zeppelin instead one day . Biv it to whats your favorite led zeppelin album . The first one. Wow. Deep thoughts with Jeffrey Goldberg. Not the second one. Super deep. You like the first one, and the second one. And also like the one with jimmy paige on it. I like the one with jimmy paige and robert plant and bonham. The best zeppelin albums ever. Im not going to commit. I know songs. You have never listened to led zeppelin before listened to it walking over here. Cashmere on my ipod d. You say the led zeppelin . Did i say that . Will ie says i didnt say te led zeppelin. The correct answer was, houses of the holy. Dave wasserman, end with you. I wont ask you any questions about Joni Mitchell or led zeppelin. So what was your, your big takeaway from tuesday night . There was so many things coming at us so quickly. We saw the political world really shift on its axis in 72 hours. What was your big takeaway that you could project forward, moving to november of 2020 . Well, respectfully, i think the mayor was in some denial about the state of the race. If you add up Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warrens votes, they didnt even reach a majority of the vote in massachusetts. Of all places. Vermont was closer than virginia, when you add up the final results. So, look, it would take an absolute Seismic Shift even a modest narrowing of the race nationally would not allow Bernie Sanders to overtake joe bidens delegate lead. But the one area where i might actually share some thoughts with the mayor is that joe biden does have vulnerabilities entering into this sben election. What have we heard from joe biden at his victory speeches . Well, his message has mostly been, im a decent guy and the other guy in the white house is mean and sets a bad example for kids. That message didnt work for Hillary Clinton in 2016. So biden Going Forward is going to have to sharpen his message and connect the case against donald trump with everyday voters lives, what impacts them on a personal level. And not just make it about temperament. All right. Dave wasserman, thank you. Thank you, dave so much. For being on this morning. Today the senate will vote on an 8. 3 billion emergency coronavirus package that was approved by the house yesterday, and in a 4152 vote. Joining us now, democratic senator chris murphy of connecticut. Senator murphy, thanks so much for being on this morning. What will this package be able to do . Bottom line is vaccines are months away, and there are localities that still cant test . Yeah. Weve got big problems, and those problems are caused by the fact that this administration didnt take this seriously enough back in early february. Many of us were begging the administration to come to congress, ask for an emergency supplemental request understanding there was no way to avoid this epidemic hitting our shores and they stood back and said they had everything they needed. So were a little behind the eight ball, but this is a significant amount of money. Its enough to get what we need down to local Public Health directors. Thats really where the front lines are. Its fluff to speed a vaccine as quickly as possible. The real question is tests. Why are we doing 500 tests in a place like the United States when a place like australia can do 1,000 . Its going to be a while. A few weeks before we have the ability to test individuals who need it. Senator, willie geist. You eanticipated my next question. Just talking to bill de blasio his business thing is we need the tests. Not tens, we need hundreds maybe thousands of those to do every day. Will this package in some way help expedite the testing kits to get to places that need them . It will. It will, but, again, were just were about a month behind. Theres a report out yesterday suggesting that early on when the fda tried to go down to the cdc to work on testing protocols they couldnt even get in the door. Just a lack of seriousness in this administration that is very, very worrying up until today. And so this will expedite the ability to get tests out there. Listen, i think it is fortunate say that the administration is not wrong, that today your risk is pretty low in the United States of contracting coronavirus, but that doesnt mean that we shouldnt know, and this money, if we get it approved in the senate today, the president puts his signature on it will help. Remember, the president asking for 1. 5 billion. This is going to be 8. 5 billion. If the president got what he wanted we wouldnt have the resources necessary to speed up the testing regime. Youve had access to people and information. Whats your suspicion or what do you know about why this administration moved slowly on this . Why would it be in the president s interests or anyone elses to have a coronavirus outbreak . Youre dealing with an administration that doesnt believe in the government to solve any problem. An administration that believes in one thing owning, obliteration of the Public Sector. My sense in the early meetings was that the administration sort of thought states and local governments could handle this. That the federal government didnt really have an early role to play. That is just not the case. The only way were you tackle epidemics like this is through National Leadership and a reminder for this administration and republicans that there is reason to run government efficiently and well instead of attacking it and demoralizing Public Sector staff at every turn. Senator, do you know anything about the classified briefing that was given to top congressional leaders about Contingency Planning in case coronavirus does impact washington . Is there anything you can tell us about p keeping washington functioning if there is indeed a pandemic . Well, listen, i think that right now our focus has to be taking steps to slow the spread of this disease, and so i cant share anything with you, i dont know actually, that i was in that particular briefing. I think we are all taking the same steps. Be smart about washing your hands. Be smart about contact with other people. Get in touch with your physician if you start to feel symptoms. I dont think theres a lot different happening in washington, d. C. Thats my sense, thats happening out there in every other city. All right. Senator chris murphy, thank you very much for being on this morning. We want to bring in now the dean of the National School of tropical medicine and professional of pediatrics and molecular virology and microbiology as Baylor College of medicine. Dr. Peter mohoartez testifying before the House Committee today of the development of a coronavirus vaccine. Looking forward to getting a vaccine in place soon. Obviously doesnt deal with the situation at hand, but what could it do to sort of stem this virus from progressing . Thanks so much for having me, mika. Its really great to be here. You know, fighting a virus thats this transmissible, this contagious, without a vaccine is like doing it with one hand tied behind your back and why were seeing struggles. Using ancient methods of maintaining a highly transmissible disease. Numbers coming out of china indicate its much more transmissible than things like influenza and for certain populations its much more serious and causes higher mortality rates, especially among older populations. Looking at 10 to 15 mortality rates. So this is a very serious disease. So the point is, we should have been further along with a vaccine by this time. We at Baylor College of medicine and texas Childrens Hospital have had a group developing, i like to say, all the vaccines that the Big Pharmaceutical Companies wont develop because there wont be a big financial return and coronavirus vaccines are among those. So weve been developing coronavirus vaccines. The problem is we get them in one case all the way through manufacture but then couldnt get the funding to move it into Clinical Trials which is tragic, because, hey you know, we had that manufactured in 2016 and in collaboration with walter reed Arm Institute of research and then we couldnt go further than that. Fortunately my science partner for 20 years dr. Bertossi kept it on facility thinking eventually it could be used. The problem now we have to go through Clinical Trials and what people werent really talking about. Thats the bottle neck. Seeing crazy press releases saying well have a vaccine in three or four weeks. Its nonsense, because despite what many people believe, vaccines are the single most tested pharmaceutical for safety we have. It takes months to ensure that these vaccines are both safe and protective, and now weve got to go through that bottle neck. So whats the bottom line in terms of getting a safe and pre, mass produced, whats the time lyme . Realistic one . Hearing timelines of a year or 18 months. Thats optimistic. The reason i say that is weve learned in our collaborators, they have learned that coronaviruss have a special safety problem. Certain respiratory virus vaccines can actually make things worse. We saw it with a respiratory virus known as rsv in 1960s, the trials were worse and maybe two deaths from that. Then early stages after sars in 2003, when that Vaccine Development Program Began they saw similarbegan, they saw similar pathology in laboratory animals. We think weve worked around that problem, but the fda is going to want to proceed cautiously with safety test to go make certain that none of the volunteers that get vaccinated are getting worse, especially if its occurring in an area of community transmissions. That is a long way of saying this is not a quick fix and why you dont want to be stuck in this position that we are now where youre trying to develop a vaccine in the middle of a Public Health crisis. Thats not the way it works. You have to be anticipatory. So weve been trying to do that for the last 20 years. Weve gone pretty far along with a number of vaccines. It would have been great if we had finished that clinical testing. But the problem is, were too reactive. Out of sight, out of mind. By the time we finished manufacturing in 2016, nobody cared about coronaviruses any more. So we have to keep it on hold for a while. Doctor, Jeff Goldberg from the atlantic. You probably heard the president speak on this subject last night. He talked about its okay to go to work, this is not worse than the flu, he was questioning the numbers with the World Health Organization. What specifically worries but the messaging coming from the United States right now . Its not only the president. Its a number of organizations and people that are saying this is a mild illness, this is just the flu and its not true, right . We dont close schools for just the flu. Weve seen what we already have an indication of whats going to happen in kirkland, washington. And the and basically, we could have predicted this because our chinese colleagues have been telling us about this for six weeks. Theyve been putting up the information on preprint servers like bioarchive and they warned us, this, watch out for your nursing homes, this virus rips through nursing homes. Sure enough, in kirkland, washington, that virus, were coming up on passover. It was like the angel of death. Seven People Killed so far because we know those individuals over 60, over 70, especially over 80, 10 , 15 mortality rates. So we clearly are not ready in terms of our nursing homes. We have that warning. The second warning is our Health Care Providers. Were seeing in wuhan more than a thousand Health Care Providers were affected and 15 of those develops severe illness and often rifs intensive care and were in the icu on respirationers. So the point is, were now seeing large numbers of Health Care Workers in icus aside from the obvious work shortage, the psychological impact of colleagues taking care of colleagues is going to be devastating. We saw that in dallas in 2014 with ebola with the two icu nurses and we had to rearrange our whole plan. So we have to keep that in mind. And im worried about a couple of other groups, like, for instance, our First Responders who were seeing now are having to be put in quarantine. So what are we going to do about that . So theres a lot of things we havent put in place yet in terms of our preparedness beyond the vaccine. Dr. Htes, thank you very much for being on this morning. Well be watching today. And coming up, Senate Republicans announce new steps in their investigation of hunter biden just in time for joe bidens comeback. Plus, michigans democratic Prime Minister is next week and there are 125 delegates up for grabs. The states governor, Gretchen Wittmer joins us ahead to explain which candidate she wants to see win exclusively on morning joe. And as we go to break, weve been talking a lot about the importance of not touching your face during the coronavirus outbreak. Were always saying the common sense of washing your hands, not touching your face, ensuring that if youve touched anything, you go and wash your hands again. And i havent touched my fakes in weeks. In weeks. I missed. Gop manufacturing, safety, you have to work closely. Everybody in this room has one thing in common. 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That is what you call political prophesy by joe biden. Whitd came to his political prospects, it was nearly three months ago when joe biden told the next times that. I aint dead. Welcome to morning joe. We have former treasury official and morning joe economic an lit steve ratner, professor at Princeton University eddie glaud jr. And the after shocks from the super tuesday earthquake that rocked the race for the democratic president ial nomination are still being feld this morning. Joe biden added a 10th state to his list of super tuesday victories after nbc news declared him the apparent winner of maine. The only race we havent been able to call is california. Sanders holds a ninepoint lead right now. Of the states massive 415 delegates, sanders has been awarded 161 so far, biden 100. Biden still leads the overall delegate count, 527475. Meanwhile, mike decision yesterday to end his campaign means biden now has the room to charge ahead in the moderate lane all by himself. As the race now moves to next tuesdays contests in idaho, michigan, mississippi, missouri, north dakota and Washington State. Here is some of what both biden and bloomberg had to say yesterday. Today, i am cleared eyes about our overriding objective and that is victory in november. Not victory for me or our campaign, but victory for our country. If you remember, i enter the race for president to defeat donald trump. And today i am leaving the race for the same reason. To defeat donald trump because staying in would make it more difficult to achieve that goal. Ive always believed that defeating donald trump starts with uniting behind the candidate with the best shot to do it. After yesterdays vote, it is clear that candidate is my friend and a Great American, joe biden. This is what we have to do to win. This is what we have to do to unify the nation. That is why i entered the race in the first place, to unify this country. So we welcome all those who want to join us. And to build a moment, and this is a moment we are building, and it is a movement and we need that movement to beat donald trump. And to build a future we all know is possible. Willie, well get to Michael Bloomberg in a minute and his campaign and his concession speech and his endorsement of joe biden, but first, lets talk about joe biden. In the immortal words of monte python, he was not dead. In fact, it was merely a flesh wound. The turn around still, if you look at it, you see where he was saturday afternoon, how despondent many in bidens campaign were believing that, you know, he was near the end. The turn around, over 72 hours, has been one of the most remarkable turn arounds in american political history and it continues. Yeah. I mean, we added another state overnight with main. That makes 10 of the 134 states on super tuesday in the column for joe biden. Just 48 hours on Tuesday Morning as we sat here. No one could have predicted that, including, by the way, people inside of joe bidens campaign. But as weve been talking about this week, africanamerican voters started a wave and it started in the state of South Carolina and it moves through the south and it went into texas and other places. White suburban voters, older voters pb he has a calendar on tuesday that will will like a lot those sorry states, a state like michigan. If joe biden wins that state, it may be all she wrote there. Exactly. I asked the question as we were moving into super tuesday whether or not joe biden would lose among the africanamerican vote in a way that reflected South Carolina or nevada. He lost the africanamerican vote across the south. And the interesting thing that i came to understand watching the results, because i was shocked, is that first we have a lot of africanamericans who simply agree with joe biden. And we have a lot of africanamericans who see that getting trump out of office is the most important thing. And we see bernie sandsers is not very good in talking about race nelgz to his agenda. So all of that played itself out on super tuesday. Now we have to see what happens moving forward. Eddie, a couple of things. There is so much to talk about. Its something that reverend allen and i have been discussing for a year now about black voters. I think sphispanic voters are often stereotyped and generalized and put into one group by while lib rap politicians and White Conservative politicians. But reverend al said his mentor told him all the time, the conservative or black voters are conservative in every area but race. And, obviously, theyre progressive on race. And i just you look at these results, you look at whats happened over the past month, month and a half of this campaign, and when the history books are written, it will be black voters that will be seen as the moderating force on the Democratic Partys most extreme influences and, once again, once again, the most paragraragmatics who look at the field and say, on can, who gives me the best chance to win . Famously as weve said in 2007, barack obama was running, Michelle Obama was talking in the fall going, come on, they need to vote for us. Black voters said, wait, show us you can win first. And once again, black voters have been the pragmatic force in the Democratic Party asking that question who is going to win. You know, joe, i find it i was stunned, its ironic to me that black voters will be the fire wall to protect the moderate conservative wing of the Democratic Party. There are three things that come to mind to me. One is, as i said earlier, black voters are more moderate and conservative than most people think. Two, i think we have to keep in mind Barack Obamas effect on theate. And three, we have to think of this buying time as James Baldwin would say that its a cold, calculated risk when we vote to buy ourselves some time. And there is a sense that a lot of black folks trust joe biden, but there are a lot of folks who dont trust white he america. So in some ways, the idea of getting trump out of office will require a safe bet. But as after can american voters, some i should say consolidate around joe biden, we need to ask ourselves, will this be the Democratic Party that doubled down on try angulation, will this be the Democratic Party that assumed as we bank away from the primary and go into the general, will they take advantage of africanamericans, take for granted africanamerican voters and move in a different direction and not Pay Attention because its precisely that try angulation that led to dick morris talking the way he talk with clinton, that led to the welfare bill being passed, that led to the crime bill being passed. So we need to ask hard policy questions. We know what that has meant since the clinton revolution in some ways. The black vote is the center and the heart of the Democratic Party. Its something weve been saying for months here when a lot of white people have been running around in iowa and New Hampshire talking about who the future of the Democratic Party was. Nobody can say who the future of the Democratic Party is until black voters say who the future of the Democratic Party is and i dont know that black voters going in on super tuesday were asking themselves about dick morris and try angulation. I think they were asking the same question that a lot of other democrats are asking. Wait a second. Okay. Who has a better chance of beating donald trump, the guy who is still running around defending Fidel Castros programs in cuba, still defending the soviets talking about their glittering subway . Because you see, here is the thing about blacks in the south. They live in the south. They know the history of the south. They know that republicans dominate the south. And they know that unlike liberals on the Upper Eastside of manhattan or in cambridge, massachusetts, they cant take chances on esoteric theories. Its haud ball politics and they have to get the guy or the woman who can stop donald trump dead in their tracks. I think thats the calculation. I think its a calculation jim clyburn made and i think its a calculation that black voters will continue to make throughout this process. But their voices, mika, on tuesday night and in South Carolina are remarkable. And jim clyburn, still, just such a remarkable, powerful voice in the Democratic Party. Still ahead on morning joe, Michael Bloombergs biggest impact on the president ial race may be his decision to drop out. How the former candidate is planning to keep up the pressure on the president. Youre watching morning joe. Well be right back. Hills. You crush them. Kind of. Kale. You eat it for breakfast. Sometimes. You go far to eliminate stubborn fat. But sometimes life gets in the way. Coolsculpting takes you further. A nonsurgical treatment that targets, freezes, and eliminates treated fat cells. Discuss coolsculpting with your doctor. Some common sideeffects include temporary numbness, discomfort, and swelling. Dont imagine results, see them. 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Joe biden is somebody i have known for many years. I like joe. I think hes a very decent human being. Joe and i have a very different voting record. Joe and i have a very different vision for the future of this country. And joe and i are running very different campaigns. And my home is that in the coming months, we will be able to debate and discuss the very significant differences that we have. Joe is running a campaign which is obviously heavily supported by the corporate establishment. Is this the establishment trying to defeat Bernie Sanders, mr. Vice president . The establishment are all those hard working middle class people, those africanamericans, those single women they are sanders later responded to bidens comments tweeting, quote, no, joe, the establishment are the 60 billionaires who are funding your campaign and the corporate funded super pacs that are spending millions on negative ads attacking me. House majority whip James Clyburn questioned sanders description of biden supporters as the establishment saying i find it very interesting that someone is referring to africanamerican voters in South Carolina as the establishment. I dont understand how that vote can be dismissed. You really have to say that a guy that owns three houses that is a millionaire that is tacking a black civilian in orangeburg, South Carolina, as the establishment, as the elites may be missing the bigger plot. I want to talk, willie, about mike blackberg and i want to read something thats in the New York Times. Charlie wurtsel wrote it. And everybody was mocking Mike Bloomberg yesterday like i thought they might, even though im not sure why you mock a man for spending a ton of money with one goal in mind, to stop donald trump. Charlie says, look, only the number of states obscures that it helped elevate a candidate polling from 3 to 16 . It allows a less than charismatic campaigner who skipped the first four nominating states to still manage to crack 10 of the vote in nearly all of the super tuesday contests. If there st a lesson to draw, it seems to be as atlantics mckay remarked how close it came to working. And you can take out a few things. I think, willie, if Michael Bloomberg had listened to mikas advice, and that is start with a lot of media interviews where he was really strong, the media interviews, prepare yourself more for those debates or if when you got into those debates, you didnt have one candidate, Elizabeth Warren who so focused seemed to take you out of the race. Our explanation was very few people could survive that on the national stage. Mckay is right, this may have actually worked. Yeah. I mean, i understand all the jokes about him spending 500 million to win a few delegates in american samoa. Thats all true. But also the claims that this was a vanity project fall flat b when the guy made a gambut for super tuesday, it didnt work out and then he got out. It seems to me, steve ratner, and well say again that you managed Mike Bloombergs money. Hes a good friend of yours. It seems to me he did exactly what he said he was going to do. He was going to take a shot at super tuesday. It didnt work out. Now hes going to take all that money and spend it to defeat donald trump. Idea morning, if you can, take us inside the meeting. He put together an extraordinary xain Campaign Organization in absolutely no time. And he did a remarkably good job. Obviously, the debates were not perfect. They may well have been some kind of a turning point in this whole process. But as you said, as joe said, Charlie Wurtzel said, he did elevate himself in a way if he could compare this to tom steyer, my friend, who spend 254 million and never got a single delegate. Mike did make an impact on this race and i think mikes support and what will move over to the Biden Campaign will also be meaningful in all of this. So, no, mike saw it clearly. Hes a data driven guy. The motto with bloomberg is in god we trust, all others bring data. He was very clear eyed about it and he was very clear eyed about his decision to support biden. One thing on sanders attack owes biden, before you Start Talking about all the corporate billionaires, there are three things you have to remember. Number one, bietden had the money. So the idea that he was supported by corporate billionaires when he beat sanders was hard to imagine. Two, no individual can give more than 2,800. I dont think any of them could be bought for 2,800. I think thats ludicrous to say. And thirdly was the people who elected him. South carolina were hardly the corporate establishment, as we were talking about earlier. Yeah. Thats been the case for Bernie Sanders, the argument for it which is that we are representing working people which he is, thats his platform, and the other candidates are tools effectively the corporate establishment. That argument loses a little steam it seems to me after super tuesday, after the kind of voters who elected joe biden in all those states. Right. And it requires nuance and its hard to have nuance in the heated ooh a political battle. But he needs to make a decision. It makes sense to me to say that James Clyburn is part of the political establishment. It makes sense to me to talk about the way in which klobuchar and buttigieg and others and how bloomberg have consolidated behind joe biden to begin to talk about them in a particular sort of way. But you cant conflate that with voters. The democratic process is messy. People will make choices at the polls. If you are a Democrat Small d, you want to give as much legitimacy to folk making decisions on voting day, on the voting day as you can. And you know what . On super tuesday, Bernie Sanders got his behind handed to him. He needs to go back and think, why . Can i assess what happened and to kind of describe it all as this corporate establishment is too flatfooted. Lets be more nuanced and lets get the messaging right if you are thinking about transforming the lives of every day everyday people and so in a way that pulths faith into the democratic process. Coming up, the battleground is just days away in michigan and that states governor is ready to pick sides in the primary fight. Gretchen whitmer makes her endorsement exclusively on morning joe. Endorsement exclusively on morning joe. Having dry skin is a struggle. Turns out, my body wash was the problem. But with olay ultra moisture body wash, my skin went from dry and dull to visibly healthy in just 14 days. Better skin from a body wash . You Better Believe it. With olay body. Tthe bad news . Our so will this recital. Day. Depend® fitflex underwear offers your best comfort and protection guaranteed. Because, perfect or not, lifes better when youre in it. Be there with depend®. Lets talk about mr. Sanders. He said joe is running a campaign which is obviously heavily supported by the corporate establishment. What do you think about that argument . It is ridiculous. It is ridiculous. Bernie, you got beaten by overwhelming support i have in the Africanamerican Community, bernie. You got beaten because of suburban women, bernie. You got beaten because of middle class hard working folks out there, bernie. Youve raised a lot move money than i have, bernie. Joe biden jumts just momentsn his string of super tuesday victories. The race now moves to idaho, mississippi, missouri, north dakota, washington and michigan. And the governor of michigan, Gretchen Wittmer, joins us right now. And i understand you are prepared to make a decision to endorse someone. Who is it goes to be . I am. Good morning. I am pleased to be here with you. Ive been watching this Campaign Play out and theres been sources of inspiration in a variety of candidates. But as we go into michigans election on tuesday, i will be joeting for joe biden. Joe biden is someone that i know is working to protect health care that was expanded under the Obama Administration and thats personal to me. 18 years ago, i was taking care of my mom at the end of her battle with brain cancer and rearing my new child and fighting an Insurance Company that was wrongfully denying her chemotherapy. I was commiserated with joe about this very thing. He lost beau to the same brain tumor that took my moms life. And because of their work, i was able to expand medicaid coverage to 700,000 people in the state of michigan. When the chips were down, it was the Obama Biden Administration that stepped up and helped out the auto industry. It was personal to us here in michigan. So i think that the blueprint from 2018 about showing up, focussing on the dinner table issues and getting things done is exactly what joe biden represents and thats why hes got my enthusiastic support and my vote on tuesday. Governor, where do you think michigan voters stand on some of these issues that you brought to the table, especially very personally, in dealing with your own mother because, of course, Bernie Sanders has his plan. Absolutely. And i think the great thing about what weve seen during the course of the primary is that every democrat on that stage is work to go expand access to health care. It is such a complete juxtaposition from what donald trump and the republicans are doing to take that health care away. And so i have always been proud to be a democrat because i know that health care is personal. And ive met so much michiganers who have seen a doctor for the first time because of medicaid expansion, all as a result of the Affordable Care act and that is what is at stake in this election. And thats why i think whether you are one of those heart working autoworkers or all of the businesses and Economic Impacts from the industry in this state or youre someone who has seen a doctor for the first time because of medicaid expansion, it was the Obama Biden Administration that brought that to us. When the chips were down, they had our back and thats why i think that this moment is so important to step out and say im supporting joe. Governor, its willie geist. Good to have you on the show this morning. We appreciate you being here. It was just a couple on weeks ago that you said the chances were probably low that you would endorse in this primary. You said i am highly likely to jump in once we get past the primary. What changed your mind on that and was it what you saw on tuesday . Well, i think you all know that politics can change fast. A few days can be a lifetime. And what weve seen in terms of, you know, the ability to coalesce and build a coalition that has a diverse representation, that is reflective of who we are as a party and what we need as a nation has really started to show that joe biden is our strongest candidate going into the fall. And i believe that. And i am excited about his candidacy. I am eager to take part, you know, in a lot of the National Conversation around his campaign because i think we all know michigan is incredibly important. All roads to the white house lead through my state and i want to make sure that weve got a strong ability to help impact where we are headed as a nation. So is it fair to say that the surprising strength Vice President biden showed across the nation on tuesday influenced your decision . Ill just say as a candidate who has been written off, i saw what happened with joe biden and their ability to pick themselves up off the mat, dust themselves off and show the grit it takes to be successful and bring others along. And i think that is what is so important, too. Elizabeth warren, shes fan tastic, same with cory booker and Pete Buttigieg. This is a group that has shown we are thinking about everyone in the American Population and we welcome all supporters. Bernies supporters, as well. If and when joe is the ultimate nominee, we are going to be at a place where everyone can find a spot because were fighting for the things that matter to pe peoples lives in this country. There are five days before michigans primary and Bernie Sanders won a narrow victory over Hillary Clinton in 2016. Do you have any predictions for how joe biden will fair in the upcoming contest and do you think that his support, his prior support for free trade could hurt him in michigan . I think theres a lot of enthusiasm in michigan for Vice President biden. I think that theres a lot of enthusiasm for Bernie Sanders. And i think were going to have a spirited debate. I know that, you know, there are a lot of leaders who have he many braced joes candidacy and are ready to move forward and there are a lot who like bernie. It is a conversation that is really important. Im not going to predicting what happens, but i want people to know where im supporting joe. I think its important that we have candidates who are showing up, who are focused on those dinner table issues and have a record of getting things done. And when michigan needed help, it was barack obama and joe biden who had our backs and i think thats really important as we go in and make choices on tuesday. Governor, corrine has a question for you eshg9swhat do democrats need to do to make sure they come back this fall . I feel like im repeating myself. Ive done so many interviews since i won my election. But it really is. The 2018 blpt that i used was to show up. To actually stay focused on those dinner table issues, whether it is closing a skill gap or cleaning you Drinking Water or ensuring that we expand access to Affordable Quality Health care. These are the fundamental thats americans are worried about. We dont have time to focus on every conversation going on in washington, d. C. Were trying to take care of our families. We expect our leaders to be, as well. So that blueprint, showing up with a record of having gotten things done is what inspires and moves and is important to people in not just michigan, but i think across the state. Were thinking about our kids and their future and here we are as americans. And i think thats the most wonderful thing about this nation. Its a great challenge, too, but i think those are the things that really matter to voters, whether youre in michigan or pennsylvania or wisconsin or california or florida for that matter. Michigan governor Gretchen Wittmer with her endorsement of joe biden this morning before that states primary on tuesday. Thank you so much for being on with us this morning. Good to be with you. Thank you. And still ahead, joe biden is surging in the democratic primary race and now republicans are sharpening their investigations into his son, hunter. The gop chairman leading the charge insists the timing has nothing to do with the election calendar. Morning joe is coming right back. Calendar morning joe is coming right back in august 1619, a ship appeared on this horizon, near point comfort, virginia. It carried more than 20 enslaved africans, who were sold to the colonists. No aspect of the country we know today has been untouched by the slavery that followed. America was not yet america, but this was the moment it began. [sfx typing] want to freshen your home but this was the mome t it began. Without using heavy, overwhelming scents . 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He doesnt get any questions this is a guy who said that if you get sick with the coronavirus, you should sit around or youll get better or you should actually go to work and get better. Which is the last thing in the world that americans need to hear from their president unless the president , of course, wants to start a pandemic. And to rattle off like that and get no questions or fact checking. President trump claiming the Obama Administration didnt do much to combat the swine flu. He also claimed, without providing evidence, that hesitate predecessors made it more difficult to conduct widespread testing for the coronavirus. Joining us now, ashley barker. Her latest reporting examines how the latest efforts undermine by mixed messages and falsehoods. Also with us, usa today opinion columnist and former Senior Adviser for the House Oversight and government reform committee, kurt bardella. Hes a morning joe contributor. Thank you so much for being with us. There is a lot to sort of keep up with the president starts talking offthecuff. What are some of the highlights, some of the insisties and some of the troubling statements that may run contrary to what Health Care Officials are telling americans . This is the white house the challenge the white house is dealing with. He said vaccines could be ready as soon as several months and you had Health Officials correcting him saying its much more likely to take a year or a year and a half. You had Health Officials say use common sense, stay home if youre sick. And you have the president saying go to work if youre sick. So you have the white house trying to handle this in a way without angering the president and costing them their jobs. So this morning, stock futures are down again. Theyve been rebounding up, down, the past couple of days. But do you get a sense from talking to white house officials that most of the president s dont worry, be happy talk about the coronavirus stems from his concerns about the stock market or is it Something Else . I do know from talking to people in the white house that he is following these gyrations in the stock market incredibly closely. Thats one of the reasons, his key thing is he does not like what he views as alarmist language from officials or what he claims is hysteria in the media. That is something these experts are trying to deal with. On the one hand, they are doing what they should do which is urging people handling the response to be open and honest and transparent with the American People, but they also have an eye on the president and trying to tamp down what he would view as alarmist imagery. Ron shaunson plans to hold a Committee Vote next wednesday on the first subpoena of his probe into the Ukrainian Company burisma and joe bidens son, hunter. Teleshenko is at the center of pushing the narrative of alleged Obama Administration corruption in ukraine, alleged ukraine interference in the 2016 election. Johnson insists this is not an investigation into hunter biden, but says hunter and his business associate devon archer, quote, made themselves a part of the story. Johnson recently hosted a classified briefing for republican members of his committee to update them on his investigation and says blue star is cooperating fully with his misinformation. After all you went through and now that you see ron johnson in the senate and you see ukraine investigating this issue and then the other countries such as china peter writes about in great detail that hunter, again, no experience, making sons of money, it has to be a Campaign Issue. How do you plan to use it or do you plan to a Campaign Issue fo the democrats. They were obviously told you cant bring that up. So even people that are against, if you look at joe, theyre against joe, they dont want to bring that up. That was off bounds. That will be a major issue in the campaign. I will bring that up all the time because i dont see any way out. You know, willie geist, a couple of reasons why the democrats arent bringing it up is because when you have the wall street journal owned by Rupert Murdoch reporting now several months ago that this Conspiracy Theory not investigating burisma or having the prosecutor fired because of hunter biden, they call that discredited. Every news orange that hazard looked at the facts has called it dischrised. Its just a like that i suppose sean hannity and donald trump can talk about at night and the president can say hes going to use it. And then on the other front, its pure russian propaganda for ron johnson to be pushing any idea or any Committee Hearings that would suggest that the ukrainians interfered in the 2016 election. Our own intel agency warned senators not to use russian propaganda, but senators cant help themselves. They are just awash in promoting russian propaganda. And isnt it interesting, joe, that the president , the white house, Senate Republicans interest in the alleged corruption of bur is i ma waned when biden was behind in the polls. He should have a report in one to two months looking into hunter biden. Obviously, the president said it aloud last night if joe biden is the nominee, ice going to make this an issue. Clear, theyre trying to make burisma the new benghazi for 2020. All of a sudden, congressional senators think subpoenas should be honored and listened to. If they all said were going to follow President Trumps lead and completely ignore your subpoena, not show up, not provide any documentation at all, im sure Senate Republicans would have no problem with that as they had no problem with mike pompeo or anyone if he white house completely defying congressional checks and balances throughout the entire impeachment investigation. But back to this investigation that now ron johnson is trying to spearhead, its amazing that they did absolutely nothing on this when they thought Vice President biden was left for dead and now theyre all of a sudden turning up congressional investigations again to target biden and do really donald trump campaigns, you know, Opposition Research and i have no doubt that theyre going to use this effort, this committee and their power to try to derail the Biden Campaign every step of the way. That is the lengths these guys are willing to go to try to politically interfere just as republicans did to Hillary Clinton in 2016 with the ben zazy probe. And then the majority leader bragged about the benghazi hearings taking down President Trumps approval ratings. One more issue here, chief Justice John Roberts is denouncing remarks made by Senate Majority leader Chuck Schumer after he attacked neil gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh as they heard arguments in a major abortion case. I want to tell you, goresuch, i want to tell you, kavanaugh, you have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. You wont know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions. So, ashley, you have released the whirlwind which is something that i think he lifted from kavanaughs speech about the clintons during the hearings. But you will pay the price. Disturbing, deeply troubling language for a senator to use against Supreme Court justices. The chief justice stepped in and made a rare rebuke of a sitting senator. He sure did. It is worth noting senator Schumers Office then clarified he was talking about a political price, but this is not the first time we have seen the court politicized from both sides. Senator schumers language, incredibly harsh, controversial, looks like leader mcconnell will continue that, weigh in on the senate floor this morning. A week or two ago, President Trump tweeting about two liberal justices. I think part of this is the era that were in right now. It really is. It is disturbing. We talked about it time and time again when the president attacks federal judges, when the president attacks a federal judiciary, but you will pay the price, Chuck Schumer said that. Coming from any senator on either side of the aisle, deeply disturbing, reprehensible, and it certainly justifies an apology, does it not . It does, joe. I think we talked about this before. The answer for democrats in general to combatting trumpism isnt to mimic it or to employ their tactics, their rhetoric to try to get the better of trump and republicans. They cant sink to their level. They need to offer the American People a contrast in style, a contrast in tone, a contrast in gove governance. When schumer does this, it allows mcconnell and trump to do this. Theyll use the senate floor to do an exercise of chastising his colleagues. It is worth pointing out to everyone of course none of these people do anything when trump calls out justices, tweets about federal judges and their decisions and labels them with false partisan labels, so theres a lot of hypocrisy at play, but democrats have to be smarter than this, joe. I am sure if Mitch Mcconnell is going to criticize Chuck Schumer for what he said, he will attack donald trump for the past three, threeandahalf years attacking federal judges, attacking the federal judiciary, attacking the independence of federal judges. I am sure john roberts, chief justice of the United States Supreme Court will do the same since he went out and attacked Chuck Schumer yesterday. He certainly should have, should have been critical. I expect him to do the same as the president of course attacks federal judges, as the president of the United States did, the roger stone case, really excited to see what john roberts has to say about a president attacking a federal judge in a trial involving one of the president s own political cronies. When he says something about that, thats going to be good. Ashley parker, cukurt bardel, thank you for being on this morning. Up next, an alabama man set to be executed tonight, despite major questions in the case. Oldest son of dr. King, Martin Luther king iii is standing by to explain why he joined the effort to save the mans life. Were back in one minute. E. Were back in one minute i want to rock rock i want to rock rock i want to rock rock i want to rock rock rock rock rock rock rock rock i want to. chris rock whod you expect . Sylvester Stallone i dont know. Me . vo i want to rock rock rock rock rock i want to rock activists are calling for an 11th hour intervention by alabama governor to halt the execution of a black prisoner set for this evening. Nathaniel woods was sentenced to be executed by lethal injection, convicted of multiple counts of capital murder and attempted murder for the 2004 killings of three Police Officers in which Authorities Say a codefendant was the gunman. Prosecutors argued that woods conspired in the killings which occurred when officers tried to serve a misdemeanor Domestic Assault warrant on him. Woods family members and supporters argued the codefendant said he was the so person responsible for the shootings and claimed there are outstandin fairness of woods trial, arguing that woods had ineffective counsel and the trial itself had multiple errors. The nonprofit Death Penalty Organization Center says his racially charged convictions and death sentence are tainted with claims of police corruption, intimidation, witnesses, and inadequate representation. In alabama, being accomplice to a murder can also result in a death sentence, remains the only state in the country where a jury does not have to unanimously impose the Death Penalty. A federal judge monday dismissed a request for stay of execution, the u. S. Supreme court turned down woods appeal last year. Morning joe reached out to the alabama Governors Office for comment and has yet to hear back. Our next guest has called upon alabamas governor to halt the execution of nathaniel woods set for today. Joining us now, civil rights leader Martin Luther king iii. Martin, thank you so much for being with us. We greatly appreciate it. This is a case where family members, lawyers, supporters, outside groups, civil rights leaders all say this man was not involved in the murder and theres evidence to suggest that, yet tonight at 6 00 p. M. If things dont change, he is going to get executed. Tell us why you got involved in this case. So thank you for the opportunity. I got involved when i found out about the gross i dont want to say negligence, but how the system, the legal system seems not to be working. Certainly mr. Woods had an incompetent lawyer on capital case, not incompetent generally, perhaps on capital cases because it is very clear to me if theres any inkling of doubt someone innocent may be killed, then it seems to me that should not happen. And because as youve stated the gentleman who did the actual murders came forward and has stated that there was no involvement, that they were not operating together, it would just seem the governor would provide a stay. That seems to fall on deaf ears. What it feels like to many in the Africanamerican Community is once again this is like a lynching, innocent person is slated to die this evening. That should be unacceptable. The legal system has got to be better or justice certainly has to be served in some responsible fashion, it seems to me. Martin, good to see you again. My question is how do people get involved in this fight, and not just in this case but in the broader fight to stop, to end the Death Penalty . So i think that Amnesty International is one of the great organizations that ive been involved in and everyone is not against the Death Penalty obviously, but i believe we have to create a consciousness in this country. Im against it. Im a victim of violence. My father was gunned down by an assassin. My grandmother was gunned down, my father by a white man, my grandfather by a black man. I think it is an archaic form of punishment. I think were better in the way we operate. It is mostly consciousness ultimately, you think about developing nations, we are one of the nations that continues to believe if you do something, were going to come and get you. This is what feels good momentarily. But i just have to believe we have to continue to mobilize people in the nation and world so that ultimately elected officials will come around to this pogsition. It will take time, we shouldnt give up. Nathaniel woods, 44, he is set to die at 6 00 p. M. Tonight. The man who actually committed the murder said he had nothing to do with the crime, as have civil rights leaders, lawyers, outside groups, and yet he is still set to die at 6 00 p. M. Unless the governor of alabama does something about it before then. Martin luther king iii, thank you so much for being with us. Thank you. We greatly appreciate you bringing this to our audiences attention. That does it for us, Stephanie Ruhle picks up coverage now. Thanks so much, mika, thanks, joe. I am Stephanie Ruhle. It is thursday, march 5th. New cases, new fears, a new step from lawmakers as the country continues to fight spread of coronavirus this morning. Late last night, the governor of california declaring a state of emergency as new cases emerge in the state. Two of those cases linked to this cruise ship held off the coast of San Francisco while passengers get tested. 21 of 2500 on board are showing signs of the virus. The first death in california now confirmed, while the