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makes just as much sense that way though if you think about it. >> that's pretty good. top of the hour. welcome to "morning joe." mike barnicle and indicatekatie kay are with us. >> the story on the front page of the "new york times." there's a big debate on whether it's a jobs program, people are diseffected in the middle east and they don't have money, broke, no hope no chances. that's why they get into isis. "new york times" shows that again, we've talked about it. it's just not the case in many cases. from a cairo private school killing fields this is a great mystery why guys from middle class to even upper middle class families from 9/11 until now with isis like this young man that they profiled decide to go from the middle to upper middle class in private schools to
becoming a terrorist. and we're just so stupid in the west when we sit back here oh, if we just get them some jobs they're going to be better. i'm not just -- i'm not knocking what was said a couple days ago. i'm just saying we hear this around the table all the time. no, this is -- this is p a deep-seeded religious belief. like the most hard core fundamentalist belief, which is what the "atlantic monthly" brought out so brilliantly this week. we need to understand, there's a class of civilization this isn't a class of west versus islam. this is a clash of i slam versus islam. >> you understand it's not, okay, you stop doing this we'll give you a jobs program. that's not the equation the state department is trying to make, the jobs program and education are long-term efforts and perhaps they need to be looked at as we try and stop the rise of isis and other --
>> but he was living quite fine before he ran a plane into the twin towers. this young man who went to a private school and lived well in cairo was doing quite well. we find sometimes that it is the middle class and upper middle class that actually take the lead. my god, look at bin laden. his family ran saudi arabia. they were some of the -- in fact the bin ladens were so rich the king of saudi arabia had to borrow money from them for their government to survive. so you've got that -- i'm sorry. mike? >> that's a very compelling story because of what it does within that young man's family. >> there's a nine-minute documentary on "the new york times" website. >> it fractures the family. we were listening actually yesterday to mika's brother, mark briz ski, who was ambassador to sweden. he came to speak at a swedish here in new york was it
rotterdam? basically, there's a country in sweden that just is producing more jihadists for isis in sweden than in the entire united states last year. we had that. we had the summit yesterday. the new york post putting this picture up of the president. islam terror? i just don't see it. i think that's becoming more and more an ideological debate with more sound and fury. and that it just doesn't make sense. couple of things out of boston. so this dude is jumping out of the second floor window. we showed videos of this yesterday. the mayor of boston i believe it is, is saying chill out. this is not loon mountain stop it. another thing we read is that boston people do not want the olympics. one person said it's like you
know, a lot of women in my life olympics force you to build stuff you don't need. >> well, it does do that. in addition to that i think the sentiment is growing in greater boston given what has happened to the transportation system in that city. the mbta. the "t" is shut down for the month because of snow. the idea that olympics is coming to very narrow streets to begin with, it's crazy. >> why do people want the olympics? let's see, did it really make a big difference in l.a.? did it make a big difference in atlanta? maybe it was good for beijing. in '68 it may have been good in mexico city. same thing for tokyo in '60 or '64. cities emerging as great cities in the world, that makes sense. but boston, no thank you. we're fine. >> the '84 olympics in l.a.
there was a huge amount of terror about it in the city because i was growing up there then and people didn't want it and it came and turned out okay. it didn't do much for the city. it wasn't like later, wow, l.a. has been trans forred because l.a. was already l.a. people thought it was going to be horrible so the big sigh of relief at the end of it because it didn't snarl up the city. basically everybody stayed home. i'm taking two weeks off. i'm not going anywhere. i'm not going to touch the freeways. i was talking to someone you knew in boston a couple weeks ago trapped in the house for however many days it's been now. the woman said i hope they're paying attention at the olympic committee because i don't think it here. >> i was born in atlanta and i always go back to atlanta. after the '96 olympics going back to atlanta and the only thing i noticed different was they had to fountains that the kids could run through because it was great because it was 98 degrees in august. okay. run through the fountain. that's all we got. >> right. >> it's just not worth it. >> most cities do lose money.
they're paying the debts off their olympic stadiums which often tend to sit empty afterwards for years. i remember the london olympics everyone thought it was going to be terrible. it was great. it was great. it does give a sense of city a natural pride. it's a moment where you feel good. >> i love boston. let's get to the news. we're going to begin in libya on the rising threat from the ever-spreading islamic state. the north africa country is asking united nations security council to left an arms embargo so the country can fight isis after the militants beheaded 21 egyptian coptic christians in libya. new fierce this morning the lead executioner may be an american. as nbc's richard engel reports the italian government is boosting security that italy could be if terror group's next target. >> reporter: isis is spreading like a virus and months of u.s.-led air strikes don't seem to be containing it. in libya isis has been showing
its strength. the group beheaded 21 egyptian christians. one of the executioners speaking in english with an american accent. >> recently -- >> reporter: egypt hit back with its own air strikes. isis says italy will be next. security is already been beefed up at st. peter's but the biggest advances and reportedly the worst atrocities have come where washington claims to be making the most progress in iraq, which is starting to look like a failed state. in the north, we saw firsthand last week how kurdish forces have been under attack near the city of erbil they turned back a major isis assault. >> richard engel reporting. >> let's talk about strategy for a second and then let's go to the white house summit. let's talk about battle over tactics. i saw something from yesterday,
the lone survivor, you know the book "lone survivor," talked about how he really believed that it would take a limited number of marines to go in there and clear isis out. he said right now they just -- they just -- it's their playground. it's their terror of playground. and it wouldn't take that much to go in and make a big difference. i don't think that's the case. >> i don't either. >> but i haven't been over in iraq, so i haven't fought in iraq. but i find it hard the only that these guys in datsun trucks could control much territory, if we decided to go in. and we're talking john mccain later on this morning who is talking about sending in troops and putting boots on the ground. i think the more americans see of this the more americans are going to say, all right, let's do what colin powell says. throw everything we have at
them, kill them and come home in a couple of months. mike? >> again, it's the cockroach theory. you stamp them out in aleppo and they're going to recreate and reappear somewhere else. >> right. >> minute aby minute hour by hour. the problem now -- look it isis is a group i'm told and from everything we've read, is a group that depends solely on territory for its strength and they gobble up territory throughout the middle east. they are unlike al qaeda. where they are now is within urban populations, largely in syria. house to house urban fighting in syria is not something that any american will be in favor of. >> you looked at what happened in kobani the town the kurds tried to take back. the town has been almost decimated in the center of it. street to street, house to house fighting where the kurds lost a lot of people in the process. i think people think because we send in big numbers of americans that people are not going to die in the course of those street to
street battles, we're kidding ourselves. john kerry has an op-ed in the wall street jerusalem today. he says that limb nating the terrorists by force today will not protect us from the terrorists of tomorrow. that's very worth bearing in mind. we can wipe them out today in iraq, possibly even in syria. it doesn't guarantee in two or three years they don't come up again. >> listen to what mike just said though and what the "atlantic monthly" writes about. unlike other terror groups they depend on territory. you can take large swaths of territory, i would guess, away from them very quickly. urban centers, no. but can you control pipelines that fund them that fund their terror outfit? can you cut off access down the highways? can you encircle some of these towns where they are? yes, you can. i don't know. >> but what happens a year from now, are you still protect that pipeline? are you still controlling that territory? are we still putting in position the operations that will make
sure that syria is not a failed state and that has a government that protects them away from islamic state? >> we set the united nations up in 1945. when the hell is the united nations going to step forward and do something of note other than hold meetings in new york city. >> good luck. >> good luck. >> but again this is a same argument that we made about iraq. how long do we stay in iraq? we left iraq precipitously and we have isis because of it. so the question is will other arab countries, and i think the answer now is yes, will jordan will the uae, will egypt, will saudi arabia provide other peacekeepers to look at those areas, to help the kurds? i think we have a much better chance now than we did three years ago. >> so at the white house, president obama is trying to get off the defensive by taking on criticizing his -- criticism for his administration for refusing to call islamic terrorists
islamic terrorists. he jumped into the debate during the second day of a summit on violent extremism. mr. obama urged political and religious leaders around the world to come together in effort to prevent young people from joining the islamic state. and he defended his choice of rhetoric claiming isis is lying when they say the west is at war with islam to gain new muslim recruits. >> we must never accept the premise that they put forward because it is a lie, nor should we grant these terrorists the religious legitimacy that they seek. they are not religious leaders, they're terrorists. and we are not at war with islam. we are at war with people who have perverted islam. no religion is responsible for terrorism. people are responsible for violence and terrorism. >> meanwhile, press secretary
josh earnest was asked to explain why a white house statement did not identify the isis victims in libya as christians but did mention religion in the murder of three college students in north carolina. >> why didn't you say 21 christians were killed? >> well, ed i tried to be clear here. i can't account for that specific line in the statement, but we've been clear there that we condemn this murder. >> is there -- north carolina case, they were targeted because they were muslim? >> this is something -- >> because of a parking space. we don't know. it's a local law enforcement investigation, as you say. why were their faith invoked in the president's statement? >> ed i think it's important for the president, in this case as he has in many others to articulate a pretty clear principle. i think it's the kind of principle that the vast majority of americans should be able to support, which is that people should not regardless of their faith, be targeted because of what their last name is, what they look like or how they
worship. >> we don't know they were targeted because of their last name or faith. >> ed i think that's acknowledged in the statement as well. and we have also acknowledged that this is an issue under investigation in north carolina. >> john we have a poll out that 8% believe that it's the top issue. what do you make of all of this? i showed the new york post before, is this much ado about nothing or is this a resonance about that about a president that doesn't get the nature of the threat? >> i think it's a little bit of much ado about nothing. i don't know if you discussed this on the show in the last couple of days but there was another president who refused to use this terminology, also george w. bush there are reasons why. complicated diplomatic reasons why the administration doesn't want to do this. it's not that they don't recognize this is where terrorists is coming from islamic -- a splinter of islam, but there are -- there is an
argument that there's radical -- there are radical islamists in the world who are not terrorists. part of the problem in the region is that you need to have others who are radical who are radical -- part of radical islam and the only way you can describe them but don't believe in the tactics of terror. you need to have those people on your side as allies in the region. that's why the bush administration explained, talked to people george w. bush never used tra phrase. >> quickly, mike. >> it gets down to what is the mosts a stron fish most astonishing tool to us? the media. they've done that effectively. why give them what they want? they want the president of the united states -- >> this is purely about tactics. what's the most effective tactic to keep the country safe. let's move on to politics. >> former florida governor jeb bush is beginning to layout his
foreign policy view. yesterday in chicago he tow adel indicate line trying to show he's his own man while talking about his brother and his father's legacy. msnbc's political correspondent kasie hunt reports. >> i'm so proud of my brother. >> reporter: the last time there was a republican president not named bush george w. bush's daughter fit on his shoulders. jeb bush sounds like he wants to be next but he's grappling with how to be different. starting with a foreign policy speech in chicago yesterday. >> i love my brother. i love my dad. but i'm my own man and my views are shaped by my own thinking and my own experiences. >> on my orders coalition forces have begin striking selected targets of military importance. >> reporter: george w. bush's unpopular war in iraq helped elect president barack obama. >> there were mistakes made in iraq for sure using the intelligence capability that everybody embraced about weapons
of mass destruction was not -- turns out nobody to be accurate. >> reporter: now bush's campaign in waiting is signing up more than a dozen of his brother's advisers including paul wolfowitz. the region is in chaos and the islamic state is concurring territory that americans fought and died to protect. jeb bush blames president obama. >> my brother's administration through the surge which was one of the most heroic acts of courage politically that any president has done. created a stability that when the new president came in he could have built on. >> reporter: in his speech yesterday bush talked tough but he didn't say whether he would support putting american boots on the ground to fight isis. >> restrain them tighten the noose, and then taking them out is the strategy. >> reporter: on the whole, polls show republicans are willing to support bush. but many americans say his last name makes them less likely to vote for him. a lesser problem for hillary
clinton. when it comes to iraq she has a problem of her own. her vote to give bush the authority to go to war in the first place. >> this is a very difficult vote. this is probably the hardest decision i've ever had to make. >> reporter: seven years ago that decision helped president obama. but this time it could help jeb bush. >> we just have to start acting like it again. >> so the new bush cabinet would have no difficulty? >> that's a 15-yard penalty and loss of down. >> wow. kasie hunt joins us from chicago no. let's just take a quick look at a new poll from cnn which asks which candidates represent the past and which represent the future. look at joe biden and jeb bush at the bottom. they're both seen as creatures of the past by a 30-point differential. we want to hit on a point you touched on in your piece, this diagram showing foreign policy
advisers and staff to reagan bush 41 bush 43 and jeb. lot of overlap there. >> almost all overlap. >> it's unbelievable. >> almost all overlap. i will say that people close to bush point out that alums of the romney and mccain administrations were unavailable to consult with him. and they do -- this does fit overall with his sort of shock and awe formation of the campaign. this is really a list of a lot of republican establishment foreign policy heavyweights that seems in some ways over wheming to personally for other candidates. but i think if you listen closely to that speech while the headlines were the fact that he talked about how mistakes were made in iraq and he says he's his own man the vision he laid out was pretty close to how his brother or even his father talked about foreign policy. he talked about having an aggressive american posture in the world. he hit on the litany of issues this the republican base in particular, wants to hear about whether it's iran whether it's israel. so i'm not sure that
substantively he did break very much from his brother. >> katie kay, you were surprised by the names reappeared in the vin diagram. >> yes it is astonishing that he has not tried to harder to come up with new names. we're really still backing the names we were around at the beginning of the invasion of iraq. >> the overwhelming majority of those names, 90% of those names at least are all george w. bush's advisers. >> times have changed since 2002. >> good point though. if you are a republican right now with no foreign policy experience which is the case of jeb bush and pretty much the entire republican field, where do you go if the last two presidential administrations republicans controlled were both bush administrations who else would you find? if you want credibility you've got to go to people who served in administrations and last two unfortunately for bush have been bush administrations. he's trapped. you can tap a younger generation of experts but those people have
no particular credibility, their names don't lend any kind of stature. >> i understand what you're saying. why would you knowingly put a paul wolfowitz on your committee when he -- when there is no more iraq. he's partially responsible. >> and many -- to assert a certain part of the donor base which is kind of lined up in that way. he has a big problem in the party right now right, which is whether he likes it or not he is identified as being a mod rate. >> on every level this is a blast from the past this. >> that's kind of the nature of legacy candidates. >> it is interesting yesterday he was trying to point out that he was his own man but then he made a release of foreign policy advisers that made him look like his brother and father's man. >> joe, don't you think the question here is on the substance, right? is he going to go to a foreign policy closer to his brother's or father's? >> father's.
>> those are very different. >> i can't guess what jeb bush would do as president of the united states but i saw what he did as governor. jeb bush did not take chances as a governor. he did not go on ideological rants. he was more like eisenhower. he did what worked. and was not swept away by people that came in telling him that they had to do this because this was cure. i have no doubt in my mind he would be much much closer to 41 than 43. still ahead, a lot more to talk about here on "morning joe," senator john mccain dr. brzezinski and peter westmacott. and great lineup for 8:30 half hour. yahoo! news and finance manager bianna golddryga and leigh gallagher and cindi levi and
janice min. but first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill? >> mika more of the same if not worse. coldest air we've seen in decades and if not it may be some lifetimes are going to occur over the next two days. 48 hours of this brutal cold and then we deal with another snow and ice storm. let's take you to the maps. 120 million people at risk of dangerous windchills from northern plains down to florida of all places. but the worst of it the most dangerous is right through the great lakes. schools in chicago are closed and for good reason. negative 28 windchills. that's all sliding to the east. very cold day today in the east. tomorrow morning, new york city chance of coldest morning in 20 years. as far as the snow goes keep your eye on the weekend forecast. we're going to watch icy mess in the ohio valley and possibly another coating of snow just to the north of that. that's saturday into sunday. more saturday there in kentucky. more sunday up in new england. then we had another cold blast after that. yada yada yada.
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time now to look at the morning papers. boston globe, the university of massachusetts reversing a controversial decision to ban iranian nationals from entering certain engineering and science programs. by law, iranians are not permitted visas to study here if they plan to return to iran and work in nuclear-related fields. u.s. am hers claims that following the law on a case by case basis was too complicated an issue to blanket ban which drew accusations of discriminationing discriminationing. >> "new york times." ten states are push for so-called gun on campus bills. the law would permit carrying
firearms on college campuses which many argue would help prevent rape as well as mass shootings. some opponents say introducing gun on campuses are opening up a new range of risks mixed with drinking and other reckless activitiesnd pose a greater risk to students. concealed fire ams are banned in 41 states by law or by campus policy. we disagree on this. >> yes we do definitely. the "los angeles times" -- >> you don't want to talk about it? >> it's pretty obvious. you don't want to have people running around on campus toting guns. i think that would lead to some problems. given the fact that binge drinking is a huge problem on college campuses, too. >> i can tell you that you have campuses as gun-free zones and put up signs all over the place. you invite people to come in and do things like they did at virginia tech. i can guarantee you where i went to school at the university of alabama, somebody would not be able to go room by room by room picking off students and
teachers. they would get to about the second or third room and, boom it would be over. >> i would take arms security guards before i started letting kids on campus carry guns to protect themselves. >> that's a big difference. take states like alabama where kids go out hunting with their father at the age of 5, kids like that know how to handle guns safely. i say kids. i mean by the time they're adults, by the time they're 20 by the time they're 21, they know how to handle guns a lot better than a lot of cops in urban centers as i've seen. >> you're right. we disagree. we'll talk about it more. maybe we'll do a segment on this. the "los angeles times"," new dr. seuss book titled klt what pet should i get" will be released. his widow discovered the book's manuscript and sketches along with other unreleased work while remodeling their home after his death. "what pet should i get" will be released 25 years after the publication of seuss' last book
"oh the places you'll go." i have read so many. >> how exciting. i have, too. i love them. "the jerusalem post" muslims in oslo norway is going to form a ring of peace around the synagogue to show solidarity with the jewish community there. they hope the event will highlight muslim condemnation of antisemitism and create separation from radical islamic extremists. the ring of peace event will take place this saturday. the juewish sabbath. just a frightening levels of the rise in europe this is a great demonstration. we need to see that more across europe. "washington post." police in virginia are looking for the rightful owner of the last bag of cocaine. the bag was found on the floor of a super dollar store in the town. local police department posted a statement on facebook writing, if you mistakenly dropped your cocaine today and you were at
the super dollar please contact us. we would like to talk with you further about your property. >> john heilemann, i didn't know you shopped at the super dollar. call the police. they found a pound of coke. >> come on. >> yeah. >> all right. >> from "variety," former "saturday night live" cast member took to twitter wednesday night with backstage information about the snl 40th anniversary show. according to mcdonald eddie murphy was asked to play bill cosby's in last weekend's survival of jeopardy but he refused. he knew the laughs would bring down the house. eddie knows what will work on snl better than anyone. eddie decides the laughs are not worth it. he will not kick a man when he is down. coming up the uae's ambassador to the united states explains why isis can't be beatenbeat en on the battlefield alone.
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re we are going to read from politico. military force is necessary, the key to success over the long term will be what happens off the battlefield. most urgently we need a more serious effort to cut off the flow of funds and fighters to the extremists. just last week the united nations security council adopted a resolution to sanction oil pruchess from ice sill and ban the sale of looted authorities and end ransom. there should be no more delays. the uae has closed bank accounts and barred travel to extremists. it's time for other responsible countries in the region to do the same. >> i agree. but let me ask you a question i asked a couple of months ago. will somebody please answer this to me. why the hell have we not bombed the hell out of the oil pipelines? why do we allow isil to continue to have oil to sell on the black-market? why don't we bomb the pipelines? what fool what fool would allow
isil to continue pulling oil out of the ground and selling it so they can keep expanding? why don't we blow up the pipelines? >> why don't we tell turkey why don't we tell the president of turkey hey, stop selling their oil, stop allowing them to sell their oil on the black-market. >> we should do that but first of all they shouldn't have oil. blow up the pipelines. blow up the retypefineries. >> the oil prices kolg ss ss collapse. last year they were making a million dollars a day and now it's below $50 a barrel so their revenue from oil is half. they've been squeezed on the oil front. they've still got that money coming? >> still making money. turkey is still selling it on the black-market. why don't we blow it up? >> i don't know why the pipelines -- i know there's been always an infrastructure problem. could you blow up pipelines? >> i don't know the answer to that question but this raise, as you talkn't i and as this youssef writes about it here.
going back to urour earlier conversation. territory. it seems to me money is the key to it. the notion that the financial element of it is the thing that makes it different is from al qaeda is they're rich. they're rich for a variety of reasons. some is from looting, some is from oil. cut off the funds that would be more effective a way to get at the heart of it than trying to fight them house by house. >> they tell them we're going to give you money, a wife a gun, we're going to give you a new life. take their money away and -- >> some of the money has come from kidnappings and now they're running out of foreign hostages. and there are reports they're going across the border into turkey and that those refugee camps where foreign aide workers and journalists are working are now becoming unsafe as well because it's very easy to smuggle somebody back across the border foreign, back across the border into syria. that i think will change the dynamic in turkey. i wonder if they won't lineally
make the turks, make that border safe. >> i doubt it. >> they've done pretty poor job of it so far. >> the leader of turkey has been dismal. he actually criticizes what's going on at chapel hill while he allows isil to run through his country. and allows the propping up of isil. he's a disgrace. and you know why the hell we don't prop up kurdistan and say, we support the concept of kurdistan because turkey is no longer helping. if you're not going to help news this fight, fine. we'll help ourselves and we'll help the kurds. you're out of luck. kurdistan, we recognize kurdistan and these borders and we're going to take the united nations and fight you tooth and nail. >> now on an. or once or week he's been issuing the antisemitic rants from ankora that have disrupted even more than is normally disrupted in that region. >> he's a disgrace.
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we face a poisonous and fanatical ideology that wants to pervert one of the major religions islam and create conflict terror and death. with our allies we are conwill confront it wherever it appears. start at home. in the uk we're passing a law so that every public body must combat extremism and this morning we have agreed to establish a joint group to identify what more we can do to
counter the rise of domestic violent extremism and to learn from one another. >> with us now from washington we've got british ambassador to the united states, ambassador peter westmacott. thank you so much mr. ambassador, for being with us. what was accomplished yesterday at the summit? >> well, good morning. thank you for having me. i think the summit is still continuing. there will be a formal session this morning. the president will be speaking there. he was, of course talking to one group participating in the summit yesterday and a big event with secretary kerry in the evening. my home secretary is here. we have a number of other senior people. there is an important gathering of like-minded governments following the commitment which you just mentioned which the prime minister and president made together when they were in the white house a month ago. and i think that it's important for us to come together to compare the notes, compare the experiences encountering extremism, violent and more general, in each of our country to compliment the international action we're taking as part of a
joint coalition to tackle the threat of isil. it started well but there's more work to be done today. >> sir, how important do you think the choice of words is in the debate over the fight against isis? and does david cameron call the threat radical islam? >> you know i think one of the things we have to bear in mind is that these people like to claim that they are somehow islamic. i don't think we need to dignify them with that sort of language. you can label them what you like but most important thing is that these are people who are carrying out atrocities poisonous ideologies is what my prime minister called it. what is clear is that genuine muslims, if you like the leaders of the community have no truck with this terrorism which ask being carried out in the name of their faith. so you call people what you like but i think it's important to be clear that this is a terrorist activity and this is not something we should support by
the vast majority of muslims the world over. >> peter, it's katty kay here. obviously britain has a big problem with radical islam than the united states does at the moment. what does britain need to do to try to stop those young men who might be tempted to go off to syria to go to jihad, to stop them from make that journey. >> we have now passed a law that received the royals a assent it's come in to force. we're discouraging people from going abroad to join the jihad. we have a strategy which we call prevent which addresses extremism in its broadest possible sense but we now have powers to stop people coming back into the united kingdom and we can even confiscate their passports, british subjects if they are coming back with the intent to commit acts of violence. we're monitoring our borders. we're watching the people coming back. we're engaging with the families, with the communities. and we're trying to counter the narrative which is encouraging so many young people to believe
this is somehow a good and brave exciting thing to do in the name of what they call islam but in our view and the view of muslim leaders in brit tap is not. we're doing a lot in the united kingdom to counter this threat. >> mike barnicle? >> there's a growing clamor it seems around the phrase boots on the ground and whose boots are ill defined in many times with its usage. but within great britain what's your sense of the feeling among people in england about employing british troops on the ground perhaps in the future in the middle east? >> mike, the sense at the moment in the uk is that air strikes and countering the theirive ivenarrative and training and equipping the opposition is necessary but not enough. if we are going to rid the country's concerned of the isil presence which is now moved into areas of syria and iraq and who knows, other parts of libya,
there are going to have to be boots on the ground but the sense in my country just as in here in the united states is that those boots in a combat role will not be british, they won't be american. so we're putting a lot of effort into supporting the iraq armed forces, the free syrian army in syria to try to take on that role themselves to compliment the action that we are taking in that support through air strikes and through a number of other measures we are carrying out. we've supplied training and equipment in kurdistan, for example, to try to help push back isil in northern iraq already. >> i understand that you were also ambassador to turkey is that correct? >> that's true. >> okay. we went on a slight rant about turkey. >> i saw. >> i'm just wondering, do you believe that turkey is still a steadfast ally of the united states and britain in our fight against isil snrks? >> turkey is an important member of the nato alliance. turkey is in a difficult position. it's got that long porous border with iraq and syria and iran a
number of other territories. there are a number of people who have gone through turkey to go and do jihad in both of those countries. i think we have got an important and useful dialogue that was recently i gather an understanding reached between the united states and turkish government on a number of issues including basing and training and equipping of the opposition elements in syria inside turkey. i think this is difficult for the turks because they are in a region, they sometimes worry getting involved in local conflict and the rest of us will then go home when we think it's finished and they will be left carrying the baby. that worries them too. i think turkey is a very important ally even though there have been a number of area where's we have found it quite difficult to reach an understanding with them on some of our priorities. >> ambassador peter westmacott thank you for being on the show this morning. >> thanks for having me. coming up, the latest details on the so-called american sniper trial. the defense team for the accused shooter begins to make its case that the gunman is insane.
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jeb bush's mother barbara bush, has given her son her blessing to run for president. so now jeb's campaign slogan is my mommy said i could. >> here's what people are talking about. of course, it's freezing frigid weather. it's ice cold. oh my gosh. in the northeast it's just ice cold. i read that officials are worried all the snow and freezing temperatures could put a strain on hospitals. not now but in nine months when every woman in boston is giving birth at the same time. we can't go outside, brian,
let's do it! >> welcome back to "morning joe." top of the hour. katty kay and mike heilemann are still with us. "morning joe" economic analyst steve ratner and in washington senior foreign affairs correspondent for politico michael crowley. good to have you on michael, steve. >> good morning. >> how are you doing this morning. >> immigrate. how are you? >> nothing to blurt out at the top of the hour? >> we begin in libya on the rising threat from the other spreading islamic state. >> we'll start there. the north african country is asking the united nations security council to lift an arms embargo so the country can fight isis. it comes after the militants beheaded 21 egyptian coptic christians in libya. and new fears this morning that the lead executioner just may be american. the italian government is now boosting security amid threats italy could be if terror group's next target. and at the white house president obama tried to get off the
defensive by taking on criticism for his administration take for refusing to call isis islamic terrorists. he jumped into the debate during that second day of a summit on violent extremism. mr. obama urged political and religious leaders around the world to come together in efforts to prevent young people from joining the islamic state. and he defended his choice of rhetoric claiming isis is lying when they say the west is at war with islam to gain new muslim recruits. >> we must never accept the premise that they put forward. because it is a lie. nor should we grant these terrorists the religious legitimacy that they seek. they are not religious leaders. they're terrorists. we are not at war with islam. we are at war with people who have perverted islam. no religion is responsible for terrorism. people are responsible for
violence and terrorism. >> let's go to michael crowley now. you're writing about this. the president said a couple of things there that got applause which were all, i thought, fairly obvious things to say. that they were not religious leaders that we were fighting. they were terrorists. 99% of americans would agree with that that we are not at a war with islam. we are at war with these extremists. and that no religion is responsible for terrorism. i think most americans understand that. that's sort of like the president setting up a straw man saying, hey, we're not going to put boots on the ground. not going to send in 10,000 or 100,000 troops. it's far more nuance in that. this white house and john heilemann said before the last white house didn't like going around talking about islamic terrorists. >> in fact joe, a lot of what the president said you can trace back to right after september
11th. president george w. bush is saying we're not in war with islam. i think in the fall of 2001 certainly in 2002 and the fear is that that does you know play into the hands of these groups but i just -- it's a little tricky to see what the practical effect of this is. i mean i guess if we start talking about how this is a new crusade and we're launching a war on islam that makes for great recruiting videos and sound bites but is this really affecting the behavior of these groups in a significant way, they're recruiting. i'm not sure. i wrote about this today in politico, a big part of this is reassuring the muslim commune ofity, particularly here in the united states, that we're sort of not out to get them. part of what the president is saying to do is make sure that there's trust in a good relationship between the government and muslim-americans where he's concerned, we're concerned, there could be some radicalization. to make clear, we're not purse
cuting you as a group but let's have some trust and dialogue so that you can alert us if you see warning signs of emerging radicals in your communities. >> that's what we really cares about. >> the question is why has there been headlines that sits in the new york post islamic terror, i just don't see it. while the president has been careful using words like george w. bush, has he gone a bit further than george w. bush in cleaning up the language being a little too politically correct this. >> i just think there's -- look i think they've been equally far. they both -- like i said, president obama did made a point of not using the language president obama has been criticized for not using. you can't find examples of president bush saying the same things that apparently the right wants president obama to say. it's a time that a lot of people are scared. there's no doubt that it is in fact from a part of -- it is
the terror at the moment the emanating from islamic radicals. there's no question that's true. there are these other geo geopolitical things in place. it's also the case that there are people in a variety of countries including syria and other places where there are groups that are, that practice a brand of radical islam that are don't embrace the tactics of terror and the administration needs to make common cause with governments in those places and with some of those groups even though they are followers of woabi but they don't think that violence should be brought on the united states and the west. it's a tricky geopolitical thing as well as domestic issue the president is trying to play to. some of this is just an element of the same kind of people that don't like the fact the president boughws when he goes on world tours. they're upset about this now. >> so we have mika the president expressing some of the same concerns george w. bush
expressed. on the other hand, we have graham wood with "the atlantic" talking about the cover story, talking about the mistake that we were making by not recognizing that isis is inspired by islam, that they are the most fundamentalist brand of islam and go back to the original text. >> well, while there's this debate whether the administration is using the right words, there's new information across hitting the waters right now of 15 new air strikes by u.s.-led coalition forces over iraq and syria that's happening right now in the past hours. meanwhile, press secretary josh earnest was asked to explain why a white house statement did not identify the isis victims in libya as christians but did mention religion in the murder of three college students in north carolina. >> why didn't you say 21 christians were killed? >> well, ed i've -- i tried to be clear here. i can't account for that specific line in the statement, but we've been clear there that we condemn this murder. >> is there any other -- north
carolina case, they were targeted because they were muslim? parking space, we don't know. it's a local law enforcement investigation right now, as you said. why was their faith invoked in the president's statement? >> ed i think it's important for the president, in this case as he has in many others to arctic lit a pretty clear principle. i think it's the kind of principle that the vast majority of americans should be able to support, which is that people, should not rartdless of their faith, be targeted because of what their last name is what they look like or how they worship. >> we don't know they were targeted because of their last name or their faith. >> ed i think that's acknowledged in the statement as well. we have also acknowledged that this is an issue that's under investigation in north carolina. >> so we talked about this a couple days ago actually that the president put out a press release. we read that. press release after the christians were killed 21 christians were killed. not a mention of religion.
after the unc murders he brought up religion and faith and said nobody should killed because of their faith. interestingly enough, in the case where he didn't talk about religion and faith we know for certain those 21 christians were killed because they were christians. in the case of unc, while we around this table at least most of us believe that it had to do with the muslim -- the young muslims' faith in north carolina, we still don't know that for sure. why do you talk about faith when muslims are killed but you don't talk about faith when 21 christians have their heads carved off and even the pope is making a point about it. >> interesting question. >> there needs to be consistency there at the very least. >> we're going the turn to politics now. former florida governor jeb bush is beginning to layout his foreign policy view ahead of a possible, probable presidential run. he towed a delicate line yesterday in chicago trying to show he's his own man while
discussing his brother and his father's legacies. >> as you might know i've always listen fortunate to have a father and a brother who helped shape america's foreign policy from the oval office. i recognize as a result my views will often be held up in comparison to theirs. i admire their service to the nation and the difficulty decisions that they had to make. but i'm my own man and my views are shaped by my own thinking and my own experiences. let's go to iraq. there were mistakes made in iraq for sure. using the intelligence capability that everybody embraced about weapons of mass destruction was not -- turns out not to be accurate. but my brother's administration through the surge which was one of the most heroic acts of politically than any president has done because there was no support for this and it was hugely successful and it created a stability that when the new president came in he could have built on to create fragile but more stable situation that would
have not allowed for the void to be filled. >> jeb bush also announced some of his key foreign policy advisers. many with familiar names, from previous bush and reagan administrations. chris put this vin diagram out on the over lambing names like tom ridge, porter goss and tom wolfowitz. >> katty, you were commenting about jeb bush's speech. how do you think jeb did? >> i still think one of his problems on the stump is going to be he's a very wooden speaker. he just doesn't perform well. he's better in those q and a sessions. he loosens up a little bit. but somehow give him the prompter or a speech to read and he sounds like he's reading a speech. this is one of the curiosities about jeb bush. he's been in public life for so long. governor. planning this for ages. and yet get him out on the stump and he's not a great campaigner. >> john heilemann, do you agree? >> he's not great on the prompter.
we saw that at the economic speech he gave in michigan a couple weeks ago. sometimes to struggle a little bit with that. i totally agree. i've not seen him in a long time on a debating stage which will be a big test for him, too. but he's got some time to fix those -- the stylistic problems. he got to get better on the stump, for sure. >> he also made a few bushisms yesterday where he got iran and ruk iraq confused, 200,000 isis fighters, here take 22,000 isis fighters. substantively because in my world people talk about how is hillary clinton going to deal with the obama administration in which she was a part a much bigger problem how is he going to deal with the bush administrations of which he was related. >> the moment you say i am my own man, you have a problem. >> yeah. >> feel you have to say that. >> he says that but then most of the rest of what he says -- >> and the people he's chosen. >> essentially the bush policies and i think he's going to be spending a lot of this campaign trying to we'veave he's way
through. >>. steve, you really think that americans will judge somebody hasher because of what their father and brother did than judge another candidate more harshly because of what she did or did not do as secretary of state? >> it's not a question of what she -- well, certainly should judge her on what she did. you make a slightly false parallel. should judge her on secretary of state just like what jeb bush did as governor. the question is do you judge hillary clinton on part of what the obama administration did and jeb bush in part of bush administrations. she wasn't in charge of economic policy. you can't really -- >> no we're talking foreign policy here. i think a lot of people could draw up a pretty good article for foreign affairs that she was absolutely an absolute failure as secretary of state if you look at what happened to all of her initiatives after she left. >> well, you certainly having a debate on her performance as secretary of state is fair game.
i think she's also been clear about cases in which she had a different point of view as to what her foreign policy should be from president obama and you have to recognize she is her own person on those matters. >> michael crowley? >> just on that point, joe, i would say, you know george w. bush's administration does associated with an extremely controversial foreign policy and world view represented in part by some of these advisers that jeb bush has said he's talking to. you have that direct line there. and while you can certainly critique hillary clinton's performance as secretary of state and i understand there are controversies. i don't think it quite compares to things like invading iraq the bush doctrine that sort of thing. i just wanted to add in terms of critiquing the speech, this sound bite where he case mistake -- first of all, that classic passive construction mistakes were made pathetic cop-out, not unique to him. for example, he states relying on intelligence about weapons of mass destruction, that was in
error. well obviously. that was the easiest, you know golf putt he could have chosen if he is going to say, if that's the most critical he can be about how he wedged the iraq war he's going to have more work to do on that front. you may think it's not fair he's going to answer for his brother but he's going to get many harder questions about what kind of force should we have gone in with did with have enough allies how much does america need legitimacy as sense of legitimacy around the world when we take military action like this. and i just think it was pretty thin gruel yesterday. >> just to put it this way. he's going to be asked questions very direct. was the iraq war a mistake or not? will his judge this as a mistake or wage this war or not. that's where i think steve's point is relevant. it's hard to both embrace someone and push them away at the same time. that's the posture he's in right now. i'm going to wrap he arms around my father and brother, at the same time i'm going to say i'm going to put distance twen them
on very big things. he's going to have to decide are you on the side of her brother or not? associates says, well, in the end the iraq war was a noble and just cause, that's going to be obviously a problem for a lot of people in the country. >> the last point, i think, he has the same problem i think all of us have or many of us have which is articulating what should our strategy be in the middle east at this point. it's very complicated. i don't think it's as simple as sending in a bunch of troops and wiping them out as you may think. >> have you heard me say kill them kill them all? >> i think it's about the hornet's nest. yes, actually. >> not in that accent. >> that would be my dad. >> not in relation though to what we're going through in iraq. >> well, i think i've heard you say that you advocate a very muscular approach to these terrorists and giving them education and jobs is not the solution to this problem.
and we need to go in there and go in there with force. am i misunderstanding what i've heard for the last three mornings on this program? >> yes. >> i don't know. >> very selective hearing. i think you have to do two things. you do have to plan for the future. you do have to work with the saudis to stop extremists from being produced by these schools that the saudis are producing. but that's the long play. the shorter play is going in and figuring out how to wipe out isis. and i have said that that requires the united states working alongside of egypt, the uae, jordan that we can't go in by ourselves. there's no doubt we're going to have to have a force go in there. >> right. but as katty said in the earlier hour it's not so simple. you look at the battle for kobani and what happened there and what was left of that city when they got done and the fact
that isis is still all around the city so you take a little piece of territory and they take a piece of territory that you don't happen to be protecting at that moment. we've been through a lot of these kind of wars joe. very complicated. >> thank you for explaining that to me. >> i was sitting here waiting. >> there's a reason why i think most people around here would say i am a bit dovish over the past several years when it came to wars. why we opposed tripling the number of troops that the president sent to afghanistan. i mean like i said i'm from the powell school of political thought. my critique of barack in 2003 and said it every night, if you're going to g in and fight the war, don't fight the war on the cheap like don rumsfeld either did were was told to do. you go in you use force, you win and you come home. we're not occupiers. michael, let me ask you quickly. did jeb bush answer a question as to what he would do to stop the threat from isis?
>> i wasn't very impressed. he talked about how we -- you know, we need to have a plan. we need to have a strategy. he didn't say anything -- >> well, yeah. >> exactly. and that was my reaction to a lot of what he said. it was pretty obvious. it was pretty safe. so there was this line we can't -- we can't be talking about it. we need to -- we need to solve this problem. we can't be talking. you can't do that with terrorists. it was so elementary. what i didn't hear was, you know, what do you think about the role of ground troops forward spotter, special operations forces. this is kind of the key debate in congress now, vis-a-vis the operation in force. how much skin should america have in the game how much risk are we going to put guys on the ground within distance of isis where if something goes wrong they maybe get captured and you can imagine how horrible that's going to be. is that a risk you're willing to take to try to make this air came pain more targeted and more effective? i thought he really stuck to
safe territory. >> michael crowley, thank you for being on this morning. >> thanks for having me. city ahead on "morning joe," hollywood's biggest night is just three days away. will "bird man" fly hyatt the oscars or is "boyhood" now in the lead? janice min breaks down the key races. up next debates are raging on capitol hill over how to defeat isis over israeli prime minister bejamin netanyahu scheduled address to congress and over the homeland security funding showdown. senator john mccain weighs in on all that and much more. joe's conversation with the chairman of the armed services committee is next.
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former cia andnsa director told us yesterday on "morning joe" that the fight against isis is going to get worse before it gets better. earlier i spoke with senator john mccain who agreed with that assessment and gave his own take on the war against isis. he was more specific. >> we're going to have to put boots on the grouped, my friend. and we're going to have to do a lot more things than we're doing
now if we are going to stem this tide and stop this horrific killing that's going on which is just, you know unacceptable in the world today. >> do we require other countries like jordan the uae, egypt, even the saudis to put boots on the ground next to us before we go in or do we go in first and regardless of who follows? >> i think in iraq we need to rebuild the iraqi army which, by the way, is a long long way from restored. work with the peshmerga and put boots on the ground there. in syria, until we take on bash shar assad the other country such as jordan and turkey and others will not join us. if we take on assad, the father of isis then i believe that we can get an arab force on the ground, certainly the jordanians are motivated and i believe the turks would be. but right now there is this unholy alliance between the
united states and iran that is delusionary so we are, there are, leaving assad alone which is the client of iran. it's really one of the most i mirksmoral things i've eebed, especially since we're training young syrians to go back in to syria to might bashar assad and we won't protect him from his barrel bombs. >> the white house decided this week that they were going to step up the supplying of arms to syrian rebels. first of all, first question is it too little too late? and the second question is, do we now after all this time have any idea who the syrian rebels are? we want to put american arms? >> we do know in the south. they've been very badly decimated in the north of syria. but very importantryily, joe we are looking at training 500, 1,000, maybe, meanwhile, 20,000
foreigners have flown -- moved in to syria and iraq to join isis. the numbers don't add up. there is no way that this idea it's not a strategy but this idea can succeed. >> if you're in charge and you're the commander in chief and your mission is to defeat destroy, isis, forget about degrading, destroying isis what do you do? >> you develop a strategy in elements of that strategy are american boots on the ground and not the 82nd airborne. the president keeps setting up straw men saying we want to send in masses of troops we don't. i'm talking about 10,000 in iraq. then we need to say that our objective is to eliminate bashar assad as well as isis in syria and we recruit other arab nations with other -- with americans but not too many to
fight against isis in bashar assad in syria and coordinate those movements with air power guided by air controls. joe, you know as well as i do air power alone does not win conflicts. they're a key element but they don't win. that's why you're going to have to have these boots on the ground. by the way, small things are not so small things like getting weapons directly to the peshmerga. they're the only ones fighting. stop this business of the shiite militia, iranian clients having a lead role in iraq. there are so many different -- >> can i stop you there really quickly, sir? >> yeah. >> just about iran because it seems to me if the iranians -- listen, i said this past week that i think iran is a much graver threat nuclear weapon in iran is a much graver threat than even isis. if it were not for the iranians right now and their involvement
in iraq would baghdad not have already fallen? >> i don't think so. i think that there are just too many people in baghdad for them to have it fallen. they may have been able to do some more damage. but do we want iranian-sponsored shiite militia who by the way now are committing horrendous war crimes against sunni when we need the sunni and anbar province to join us again as they did in the past if we are going to defeat isis and the iranians are on the move whether it be yemen, whether it be lebanon, whether it be syria, whether it be iraq and they are on the move and all of those places. and so they can't be acting in america's interest. not to mention the impact that this has on our sunni allies in the middle east saudi arabia uae, and others who see this and look on with horror a some kind of fousty bargain between the
united states and iran who, as you know committed acts of terror against americans throughout the world. >> since 1979 the epicenter of terrorism since 1979 which brings us to our next topic, which is israel and the threat from iran and bejamin netanyahu wanting to come to congress to explain just how grave that threat is to the israelis. i'll ask you this question. i know the answer. but i'd like you to explain why. do you support prime minister netanyahu coming to the united states congress and speaking and why? >> i do because the congress can invite who the congress wants to come and speak to the congress. that's a fundamental. but, joe, i wish all this hadn't happened and i know you do too. it's a product of the estrangement between the president and b.b. it's a product of estrangement
between the house and senate republicans and the president of the united states. it's a result of all of this tension and disagreement, the relations between the united states and israel are at an all-time low. the relations between the president and the congress is really bad given the president's attitude as a result of the election speaking for the two-thirds that didn't vote. and i'm sorry it had to happen this way. but b.b. believes and i believe that iranian acquisition of a nuclear weapon is an existential threat to israel. it's understandable why he would want to come and use the platform to address the congress to the american people. i support it. he can call whoever he wants to speak to the congress of the united states. i'm sorry we're at such an
impasse in regards to america's closest ally, the only democratically elected dpoft in the whole region that we would have to come the this situation. >> typal question for you has to do with tension between house republicans and senate republicans. though we spoke to one house republican very angry peter king at the possibility of not funding the department of homeland security in the age of isis. what would you say to your house and senate republican friends about the importance of making sure that the department of homeland security is funded fully? >> i would put sufficient blame on the democrats for not allowing us to move forward in the senate. but having said that, now i'm hopeful with this court decision, with the declaration that the president has acted on constitutional, he is himself, stated would be i think, 22 times that we would let the courts move forward with this issue since we have a favorable ruling. it's not a good idea joe, to
shut down the department of homeland security. and we should be working together despite the obstruction of our democratic colleagues to resolve this issue so that we don't shut it down. and now we've got a perfect reason to not shut it down because the courts have decided at least initially in our favor. >> all right. senator john mccain, as always, thank you so much for coming on our show and adding your extraordinarily important and relevant voice to this wedebate, especially now. thank you so much. and coming up alex rodriguez thought a handwritten mea culpa would win back baseball fans after a season long suspension. columnist mike lupica weighs in on a-rod's apology and why he thinks most fans wants the yankee's star to just shut up. we'll be right back.
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oh, my gosh. a heartbreaking way for one middle school basketball team to lose a game. >> can you believe that? >> selfishly i thought that's an ending to one of my books. >> no way. >> no no. future book. >> that's fantastic. gave the final shot getting stuck at the rim on the buzzer. here with us now of his own story of highs and lows of kids playing sports sports columnist and host of espn show's lupica mike lupica. he's out with a new novel for young readers" the only game." >> people get on here and things start happening and start thinking smartest table in all of tv. and you come here and, boom you get an inspiration for a column that you should have done and how you should have done it.
tell us about it. >> i missed a great chance yesterday. >> what was it? >> i should have had my alex rodriguez column going to the paper in long hand because my pen manship isn't as good as his but it's still pretty good. the palmer method from catholic school. and i just thought, i woke up and i looked at the paper and i looked at his letter and i said john, how great would that have looked spread across two pages. >> fantastic. you don't forgive a-rod? >> no. >> nobody should forgive a-rod? >> no. this idea why can't we forgive him because we've forgiven other people. here's the deal. nobody ever had this sort of scorched earth policy. nobody tried to terrorize people in the heat of this arbitration. >> offer there than lance armstrong. >> put that writing up. >> he is baseball's lance armstrong. >> is that like a girl? >> a handwriting expert said yes but that's insulting to girls. >> i think it is. but anyway so never forget this
guy, scorched earth policy. >> baseball executives were having their house swept for -- to see if they were -- there was electronic surveillance. people from baseball were traveling with security. reporters from our paper would come outside and see guys taking pictures of their home during the height of this and it was just a form to try to intimidate you out of telling the truth, which was this. he did everything baseball said he did as long as he denied it. >> no. unbelievable. let's talk about your book "the only game." and i mean it's pretty heavy. you got a kid who loves playing baseball and then his brother dies. >> it's an issue that in all these books i've never dealt with. the hero of the book a boy named jack callahan, 15-year-old brother died and for some reason this boy blames himself. and to punish himself he decides to take away the thing he loves the most other than his family which is baseball. and he quits a team that has
great ambitions of going to the little league world series. his friends get mad at him. they don't understand this. the power of the friendship of three kids brings him back to baseball and along the way he rescues a boy who is overweight and becomeing bully and makes an athlete out of him. >> the big thing about this book and other books is the impetus it provides for young people to read books. >> yes. >> and this book "the only game," number 15 is another -- it's a great way for young people to do something that they ought to do more of instead of looking at playing video games, read a book. this is a great story. i'm very frustrated and very bitter because he continually throws in my face the fact that i have no book like this. >> mike. >> you have no book like anything. >> shut up. >> what are you saying? >> so frustrated because he keeps telling mike to write a
book. >> i'll get to it. i'll get to it. >> i gave you a title. >> i'm reading one. >> you coached your kids. >> all four. yep. >> yeah. >> what did you learn from there that applies to these books? >> here's what i've learned. foist of all, any coach that doesn't understand that these games are about these children shouldn't be coaching youth sports. it starts there. and mostly what i have seen in my life coach mg i kids is most of the parents get that. but the low percentage of ones who don't, it is so toxic to kids and you see what happened in chicago. >> let me ask you, mike. because i sure wasn't. i coached my kids little league and i was just the opposite. i was a terror to my own children because i always hated the coach's sons who got to pitch and they were horrible. did you let your kids pitch or be quarterback? >> no, no no. >> were you tougher on her? >> no i wasn't. i always said i wanted to coach a team because there's going to
be one team in that league who approached sports the way i thought you were supposed to approach it. i'm telling you oh we. >> dirty shots? >> every game i ever coached, every game i ever coached i call the kids around and say look up in the bleachers. see all those adults up there. every one of them would change places with you and be your age and have one more saturday afternoon like this. so i said you've got to appreciate what we're doing. there's not a time i go by those fields and wouldn't give a ba zillion dollars to have one more game to coach my kids and i'm telling you, these books are written in that spirit. >> i'm telling you it's something that i don't think -- well, now girls are playing so girls will have these memories in the future. a lot of women our age might not understand that guys like us one of the greatest things ever was waking up on a saturday morning, putting on the socks, putting on the legs pulling them up. put the elastic on pull them right up.
so, you know oakland as, 1973. and just put on that uniform. i can still remember the smell of it and i can still remember the most exciting even in upstate new york when it was 40 degrees. going out there for the first game of the year nothing like it. >> how about the new glove smell and then working in the new glove. >> on that note -- >> with the oil. the oil. >> the book is "the only game." mike, stay with us. coming up nearly 50 million people have watched president obama in this buzzfeed video. 18 million more than who watched the state of the union. >> what does that say? >> the administration's viral video strategy next with the secretary of health and human services. we'll be right back. ♪ know your financial plan won't keep you up at night. know you have insights from top investment strategists to help set your mind at ease.
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getting people to sign up? >> so one of the things we focused on is part of this open enrollment is meeting the consumer where's they are and making sure there's a quality consumer experience and that is part of meeting the young people we're very interested in making sure they have the opportunity to get affordable cover ran. it was viewed by over 50 million folks and so we are reaching people and they are accessing this information. >>. 11.4 million americans have signed up. does that match what you guys had projected or what your stated goals were? >> stated goals was 9.9 million people over a period of time, the number of folks have signed up. we believe we had a strong open enrollment and made good progress. there will be puts and takes to that number over the year until we get to the next open enrollment but believe it was strong progress against our goals. >> steve ratner, you have some charts? >> i have charts that will back up what sylvia was just saying.
if look at the first one. she mentioned the 11.4 million people who signed up so far. not all of whom will end up paying their premiums in part of the plan but if 10 million do the expectation, it will be well ahead of that 9.1 million goal she mentioned. in addition to that there are a couple other things that are happening that are really also important and contributing to the overall success. one is the number of people who are buying qualified health insurance plans off the exchange. these are plans that now meet the standards of the affordable care act rather than substandard plans we heard a lot about. of course, there's the expansion of medicaid which has been resisted by a number of states but still going into effect in most states. that will add 13.4. if you look at just these three key provisions of the law, 31.5 million. it's going to be more before it's over, have been touched by obamacare. and the other, i think important point that resonates with me anyway is how many more people have gotten insurance than had insurance before this all started. and so if you look at this
chart, you will see that at the moment it appears that it's going to be something like 13.5 million people not insured before out of the 42 million people who did not have insurance before this all started who will now have insurance. >> mike lupica does that qualify for a insurance -- >> does that qualify for zuxz? success? >> that was what we i wanted to ask. >> go ahead, ask. >> over time, the other party uses against this president constantly, and is there a way over the last two years of his presidency for him to throw some soft hail mary pass and make this look like the triumph pe thought it would be? >> it's about connecting it to the substance and steve in terms of the comments he made about the number of peoples lives impacted, there's also the other part of the affordable care act about quality as well and the number of people affected and those are people in
employer-based -- folks that no longer have to worry about previsiting conditions or the women no longer discriminated against in pricing because of gender, or all of those folk whose have their children up to 26 on their plans so their kids can get their careers started. i think there are millions of people out there whose lives are impacted and this is built into eye lives in terms of financial and health security and i think over time that's what's going to make a difference. >> all right. secretary sylvia burwell, thank you for being on the show. >> i won't be able to take him to the fairfield county republican meeting. >> it's the right thing do and you all agree wee me. >> you commie. >> no no. wait a minute. wait a minute. >> just -- >> by the way, something you said often probably on this show. wait a minute. health insurance for all uninsured people in this country that you don't think going in was a noble idea?
>> i think it's a noble idea for us to get health insurance for everybody, i do. i don't -- i don't -- >> that's all i'm saying. >> this was -- i cannot say what -- this was a big mess the way this was done from beginning to end. >> you sound like a sports writer talking about how the game came out. >> social security was easy -- >> we will see. i think the big political question is -- >> come on. >> -- with all of these people enrolling when it gets to a point, what is the point of no return? this becomes the fabric of america, and when there will be no turning back for republicans? >> well i think, joe, not as a partisan comment here at that point. >> you think we're at that point? >> 13.5 million people who didn't have insurance and have it, are you going to take it away? another 28 million who have other benefits and millions more some other benefit on top of that. the fundamental problem wit law it is essentially aimed at people at the bottom of the nshg
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of a very specific challenge, and that's countering violent extremism. by violent extremism we don't just mean the terrorists who are killing innocent people. we also mean the ideologies the propagandas, the funders who recruit or incite people to violence. we all know there is no one profile of a violent extremeist or terrorist, but we are here at this summit because of the urgent threat from groups like al qaeda and isil and this week we are focused on prevention. >> welcome back to "morning joe." katty kay and mike barnicle back with us. joining us from washington former national security as vicer, dr. brzezinski and also with us from the woodrow international center robin wright.
good to have you both on. >> dr. brzezinski let's start with you. we heard from jeb bush yesterday on his ideas for foreign policy. he was asked how to stop isis and he was no more specific than hillary clinton. both presumed nominees if you can presume a nominee a year out, don't want to go on the record. when then had john mccain on who said we need 10,000 boots on the ground. what do you say? americans are looking at the news and now waking up this morning hearing that even italy is concerned about the threat from isis. what's our next step as a country and as an international community? >> well first of all, i think we have to approach this issue with some understanding of its historical dimension. we're dealing here with a massive political awakening in the muslim world. one which is directed against its former oppressors or rulers
particularly in the form of colonial powers. great deal of resentment also against the united states particularly after the war against iraq and the suffering and massive destruction that that war entailed and as a consequence, it would be very easy for us to become the number one enemy. i don't think that's in our interest. i don't think that's in the interests of the region. i think our effort ought to be directed to helping the countries in the region to prepare to deal with that problem, to help them do what is necessary and do whatever question to help them. >> and what specifically do we do? >> and under the circumstances also to take care of those who kill our people but beyond that, i think we ought to about stain -- abstain. >> what do we do to encourage turkey to be more of a positive force or help the uae? >> we have to draw up so positive speak a list of needs
for these countries, discuss what we can do help them in what way we can. after all, they are the ones talented most directly. so i cannot give you a list right now for eight or nine countries individually but i think there will be a series among us and among them because they're divided. some are against each other. so it's going to be a much more limited, in my view undertaking, if it is to succeed. the worst thing we can do is to become the sole combatant in that region and avoid anything against islam and not label the enemy as islamists but work with the governments in the region that are prepared to defend themselves. >> is turkey a positive force right now in this battle against isis? i remember your last book talking about how critical a positive relationship with turkey was as we move forward
strategically. unfortunately, they seem to be making that a bit more difficult for the obama administration. >> you're being very diplomatic. a little more difficult. yes, they are being quite difficult, but ultimately you know, their future is up to them. if they can't undertake what is necessary and they can't become a participant in what is needed they'll be the ones who will eventually be paying the price. so their self-interest is involved. we obviously have to negotiate with them do specific things that we can to help them but the key point i have in mind is that strategically we are not the chief protagonist in the reach. >> because if we are we become the inheriter of the colonial era and eastern become more hated in the region than is the case today. >> hmm. >> robin wright first of all, dr. brzezinski is the first person who ever called me diplomatic. >> there's always time. >> there's also a first. can you tell i'm getting old. but robin wright i was going to
say, so much has happened since you first started throwing your life's work and reporting on the middle east back into early '80s, late '70s, early '80s, but actually i can say so much has changed since you have written your last book in the middle east and i just wonder from all you have seen whether what we're actually seeing is just a shake-up and a return to the tribalism that couldn't be erased by the straight lines that were drawn by britain and the rest of the western world 100 years ago? >> well that's one of the fundamental issues we face right now, and to what degree are we going to fight for borders that were designed a century ago by european colonial masters, not by the people in the region? they don't always fall naturally. they sometimes conflict with loyalties whether they're tribal, clan religion ethnic on the ground. so that's one of the issues that we face but i think dr. brzezinski is absolutely right. this is a much bigger issue.
this is an historic moment and we make a mistake by looking at just how do we deal with isis ask we have to deal with political systems. you earlier in your show today talked about, you know why isis, why now? what are the motivating factor? the fact is it's about belief systems, not just religion but what political system can you believe in? few governments in the region offered anything viable. so people are looking for something else and find it in what isis provide, whether it's standing up to the outside world, or an income. a paycheck. the power of a gun. you know we are dealing with a much broader phenomena that plays out not just in one war but in multiple wars. multiple wars in that we see it in syria, see it in iraq in yemen and libya, but even within syria there are multiple wars and we're trying to fight one war, when we have to develop a strategy that deals with all of them and that's the great challenge now. to have the vision to be able to stand back and to try to figure
out what can we do both politically and militarily? one last point. the danger of creating the coalition that brings in a lot of what we call moderate era sheeps is that many autocratic. the political backlash of a long war can actually end up being even more difficult down the road. so we have to be very careful we don't align ourselves with governments that are seen as the limiting freedoms whether it's of speech of women's rights and so forth. >> we've got the bbcs katty kay, doctor brzezinski and she has a question. >> doctor, you talk about the united states not becoming the predominant enemy in the middle east, but actually, if you look at what isis says that's already largely the case. isn't it? the west is and the united states clearly, the focus of isis' ire at the moment and i
don't see how we change that. we can change that in the minds of some of the less violent ex- extremeists but not in the minds of islamic state? >> well we can certainly make it worse if we become very heavily involved and the combat is essentially between them and us. then in effect we become the inheriters of the era's imperialism, colonialism. we can minimize it cannot erase it but certainly avoid it. and the best way to avoid it is do what we have to do regarding those who are killing our people. there's no doubt that they kill our people we have of right to respond and to respond punitively, and in a manner which then help ss their enemy, those fighting against them on the ground they are the governments. but otherwise we ought to support of governments on a one to one base because they are divided, as you correctly point out, and cut deals, whatever
deals we can tactically to help them be more effective, and they have to define the future of that region. the era of colonialism is dead and we must not associate ourselves with it nor should we associate ourselves with anti-islamic slogans and stuff of that sort and i think we're finally coming to realize that during the last bush administration we talked a lot ar jihadist terror. forgetting that jihad means holy war, which in effect meant we are fighting against the holy war. we are passed that fortunately. if we keep our cool if we know what we're doing, we are working selectively with individual countries i think we'll do much better than lately has been the case. >> mike barnicle. >> picking up on the threat of katty's question to you, after we cut those deals you mention add few minutes ago, you mention then we should abstain. so if we abstain in the middle east with those countries that we cut deals with what is the effect in the middle east on our
continuing a necessary relationship with israel which is always going to foremeant suspicion, distrust, around surrounding neighbors? >> israel is strong enough to take care of every single arab country next to it. so israel is not an imminent threat. israel will face an imminent threat if movements such as icette prevail and i think it's in our interest that it does not and the strategy i'm advocating makes it much less likely they will prevail. if we become the chief antagonist we'll have the entire islamic world against us and also directly against israel. >> bring in robin wright again. robin, it's absolutely fascinating to see how close egypt and israel have become militarily since the change of government there.
are we finding israel much closer than they've been historically with egypt, with jordan, with the uae, with other sunni states because of the possibility of iranian nuclear bomb? >> i think even a country -- you didn't mention, that's saudi arabia who would have thought that the guardian of islam's holy places and a country that has held out firmly against making peace with israel unless there's an absolute return to the 1967 borders, does agree with israel now when it comes to the issue of iran. there is an enormous shake-up in the alliances in the region today. who would have thought that the united states and iran would be fighting on the same side against isis in iraq? just two or three years ago. this is one of the most dynamic rotations of loyalties we've ever seen, but it is important for israel's sake that it does have arab allies who agree whether it's on iran or the dangers of isis. >> robin, seems right now the administration is having a hard
time getting their arms around egypt. sort of like a song out of "jesus christ superstar" for those who remember it "i don't know how to love him." barack obama does not know how to seemingly embrace egypt because of the way the new government got to power, and yet they may end up being the best hope for beating back isis. right? >> i'm not sure it's the best hope for beating back isis. maybe in libya, but egypt is a ka nund drum conundrum for the united states. the obama administration stood firm in getting hosni mubarak to stand down and opening the way for democratic election and in the aftermath of a coup that made it more difficult for us to deal with a government that has you know, issued more than 1,000 death sentences, arrested journalists, has repressed freedom, and yet it is of course the recipient of one of
the largest packages of u.s. aid including military aid. egypt will be important in fighting the -- the threat in the region and it the largest arab country, a quarter of the arab world's population. no question it's a big player. i'm not sure it's the biggers player on isis. >> dad, i want to ask you about something that's been a bit of a controversy politically in washington and that is israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu's address to congress. do you think that he should have been invited and do you think he should come? >> well first of all one has to xshgs why was he invited? i think he was invited to in a sense, strengthen his hand in dealing with the president of the united states, who's doing his best to result a very complicated problem, and the result in the fashion which doesn't make the issues worse, and i find it very troublesome. i think that's rather embarrassing and in some respects shameful and i hope it
still is reconsidered. most israelis are genuine friends of the united states. as far as mr. netanyahu's concerned, i suspect he would like us to go to war with iran. he pretty much says that. i'm not sure that's the best policy for us and in any case, we ought to be deciding that on our own and not under duress arranged by a political leader who, of course doesn't favor the president and seems determined to try to weaken him. a very difficult time. >> doctor zbigniew brzezinski, thank you, dad, and robin wright, thank you as well. good to have you both on for this discussion. >> thank you so much. >> still ahead -- >> a pretty diplomatic answer when you asked the question he kind of braced themselves -- >> no. >> i didn't think he was pretty diplomatic about netanyahu. frank about netanyahu meddlings
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time to look at morning papers. boston globe, the university of massachusetts at am hurst reversing a controversial decision to ban iranian nationals from entering certain engineering and science
programs. by law iranians are not permitted visas to study here if they plan to return to iran and work in nuclear-represented fields. nuclear related fields. claiming following the law on a case-by-case basis was too complicated and issued a blank it ban with drew active charges of discrimination. and taxes pushing for guns on campus bills. the law permits carrying concealed firearms on college campuses many argue wouldwould -- rape and other activities. posing a greater risk to students. banned in 41 states by law or campus policy. we disagree on this by the way. >> yes, we do. definitely. the "los angeles times" -- >> you don't want to talk about it. >> i mean, it's pretty obvious. you don't want to have people running around on campus toting
guns. i think that would lead to some problems. >> yeah, like -- >> given the fact binge drinking is a huge problem on college campuses, too. >> i can tell that you have campuses as gun-free zones and put up signs, invite people to come in and do things like they at virginia tech. i can guarantee you where i went to school at the university of alabama, somebody would not be able to go room by room by room picking off students and teachers. they would get to about the second or third room and, boom. it would be over. >> i would take armed security guards before i started letting kids carry guns on campuses. >> a big difference. take states like alabama where kids go out hunting with they are father at the age of 5. kids like that know how to handle guns safely. i say kids. i mean by the time that they're adults by the time they're 20 by the time they're 21 they know how to handle guns a lot better than a lot of cops in urban centers, as i've seen.
>> you're right. we disagree. but we'll talk about it more. maybe do a segment on this. the "los angeles times," a new dr. seuss book what we pet should i get," his widow discovered the manuscript and sketches along with other unfinished work remodeling their home after this death. "what pet should i get" will be released 25 years after the publication of seuss' last book "oh. s placethe places you'll go." i have read so many of his books. >> i love them. and the jewish post planning to form a ring of peace around a synagogue to show solidarity with the jewish community there. organizers hope the event will highlight muslim condemnation of anti-semitism and create separation from radical islamic extremists. the event will take place this saturday, the jewish sabbath, and what a great idea.
with anti-semitism on the rise in europe at frightening levels this is a great demonstration. >> i think so we need to see that more across europe. >> move to the "washington post." police in virginia are looking for the rightful other than of a lost bag of cocaine. the bag was found on the floor of a super dollar store a town. the local police department poefrt add statement on facebook writing if you mistakenly dropped your cocaine today and were at the super dollar please contact us. we would like to talk with you ferter about your property. >> and john heilemann i didn't know that you shopped at the super dollar? you may want to call the police. they found a pound of coke. >> oh, come on. >> yes. all right. from "variety," a former "saturday night live" cast member norm macdonald took to twitter with information about the "saturday night live" 40th anniversary show. alum eddie murphy asked to play bill cosby in last weekend's
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28 past the hour. time now for business before the bell with cnbc's sara eisen. sarah, good morning. what ya got? >> good morning, mika. we're all watching greece today. at least investors are around the world, and that's because greece is bailout program where money is flowing to greece to
keep it inside the euro and prevent it from defaulting going bankrupt, is set to end february 28th. european leaders are again embroiled in these heated discussions about how to keepflowing to greece. a new prime minister just got elected and elected with a mandate of renegotiating the bailout, making it easier for greece. so it's every single headline that investors are hanging on right now, because if they can't come to an agreement by the end of next we're, then it's really down to the wire about what happens to greece and whether it can stay in the euro and what kind of risk that poses for not just all of europe but for the global economy. so that's why u.s. markets are taking their cue from what we're get ing from greece and the latest headlines, greece requested a six-month extension. the markets liked that but then germany came out, rejected it. markets didn't like that. it's just more rhetoric back and forth, until we get to some sort of solution which most say we're going to get, although
that's not on the table right now. i do want to point out when it comes to our markets, though the nasdaq the tech index, if we go higher today that would be seven days in a row. that's a hot streak for tech stock. something we haven't seen since early last year. keep an eye on that one. >> sarah, thanks. joining us at the table and news and financial yahoo! and "fortune's" editor along with katty and me. and lee, "fortune's" list of the world's most admired companies. >> just out today. >> apple at the top? >> apple is always at the top of this list. >> oh i was guessing. here we are. apple's at the top. >> at the top. and a list of what corporate america thinks of corporate america. we polled ceos, analysts directors of companies. this is a test of what business thinks of companies, which in many ways for these companies one of the most important tests. so apple people admired it for its profits and incredible growth story.
>> apple, google berk steyr hathaway, star 3 bucks, walt disney. it southwest airlines american express, coca-cola. what's the criteria? >> a ranking of what these people think of these companies. it's simple but important and big and you can see different trends how it changes over the years. there was a time ge was always at the top of the list. now we're in the apple phase. you can see interesting trends. one newcomer that is interesting to this list is cvs health. and sometimes, cvs made a bold move to stop selling cigarettes. i can't say for sure that's why, but you know -- berkshire hathaway is here because people admire warn buffett. this is the ceo, what ceos think. so another interesting one is chipotle added to the list and everyone at mires the way that brand has grown and exploded and really made a dent in the industry. >> and a calorie count now. >> i saw that. did you see that?
chipotle makes you fat was the headline. i knew it. >> and the size of these burritos? >> humongous. >> and gross. >> two good points in focusing on warren buffett. the top five companies all of the ceos were there from the onset. started the companies from amazon to berkshire hathaway to google and apple into starbucks and focus not only on shareholders but employees. that shows. >> consistent leadership make as huge difference and even apple a shift after steve jobs passed away. tim chookook has done a marvelous job. >> and four women around the table, not one of those companies have a woman ceo. >> not true. ibm has -- >> not in the top ten. >> i know. i noticed that as well. >> actually, if you look at the companies where there are women ceos, ibm, you mention them they're not doing so well. >> true. the thing about that is we now have women leading some of the largest corporations in america. there was a time when the women ceos were the media and
advertising companies and now are ibm you know lockheed -- >> it's coming. >> companies have struggles. it's probably equal in terms -- >> let me ask you, one area of expertise for you is russia. i was actually at a swedish chamber of commerce luncheon in new york city yesterday. my brother, the ambassador, was speaking there and he was naming off all of these incredible companies that are based in stockholm, spotify being one of them. >> right. >> russia when you think of their power on many levels is it in this area of having some top companies that are on lists like this? >> well it's a commodity-based country. right? so we're talking about these top companies, and one thing that russia doesn't export is a google. is an apple. is an ibm, and actually a few years ago high a conversation with condoleezza rice when she wrote her new book and she said she had been speaking with russian counterparts sergey lavrov and how russia produced
the scientists and true but they all live in silicon valley. you see what's happening. the economy is shrinking in russia. putin, up against a wall and in my opinion it's not good for anybody in the world including the u.s. his focus, diverting attention from what's going on in his own country is on ukraine. >> at what point does putin being up against the wall actually start to impact his poll numbers? we've seen russians can't travel abroad cancelling holidays abroad because the ruble's fallen so much but it hasn't gotten worse that than yet. middle class russians who can't go to thailand or whatever it is. at what point does the rock set in so deep in russian life standards because of the collapse in the economy that people start turning against putin? >> i think maybe one two more years into this and we'll continue to see a decline in oil prices and see lines around grocery stores once again start up that we saw so famously in the '80s and '90s in russia. you may have impact and see the middle class and the poverty. because the poverty in russia is immense too.
you see people actually uprising once that happens, but he has a drastic and dramatic hold over the country, and, remember when was the last time you saw a russian leader just go off and write books, give speeches in open libraries? they die or go into exile and he's not 98 years old. >> falling oil priceless have a huge impact but one interesting innovation in russia. ozarkyou.com pap woman ceo. incredibly innovative despite everything. >> lee, by the way, target wants you back. i never knew they lost you, dut -- >> "target." >> exactly. stay with us if you can. still ahead, two of the most powerful in publishing and the woman who oversee the billboard magazine. they join us, next.
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talk with us about your retirement today. that's us. welcome back to "morning joe." joining the table, editor-in-chief of "glamour" magazine cindi leive. we'll get to the stories in the march ish knew a moment including best and worst states for young woman. love that. we want to start with the countdown to the oscars. the chief creative officer and co-president at the entertainment group at guggenheim media janice min is here. overseeing content for the hollywood reporter and billboard magazines, bianca and micah to deal with here. let everyone get our names worth and get it over with. what's good for the oscars looking ahead? >> looks good for "birdman." i'm saying best picture. go out there. largest voting block for the oscars is actors and actors love
a movie about a tortured actor and it's done extremely well. so i a"birdman" and i say best actress, julianne moore. it's a lock. >> really? >> we interviewed a bunch of academy voters one said i feel sorry for the other four women who had to go to 5,000 dinners and pretend they might win when there's not a chance. >> she's never won. >> up 1,000 times and never won. >> she's so nice. best director? >> i'm going to say richard blinklater for boyhood. an amazing feat. a lot of people found the movie maybe a little slow. to be able to pull that out over 12 years is a feat directors dream of and the fact it was financed 12 years, no one fired along the way is a major hollywood accomplishment. >> what a genius idea, too. to actually see people grow up and age. >> right. >> as a family. >> i love this one. one of the anonymous voters we talked to this week syd, patricia arquette deserves to win also if for no other reason didn't get plastic surgery for 12 years and allowed herself to
age on-screen. >> bravo. >> honestly that is a bravo. oh. okay. i'm looking at the cove of "glamour." i've seen these people in a movie. not nominated for best picture of the year. >> only -- >> six minutes of the movie, i only saw. have any of you -- >> which six? >> good question. the first six. and that's it. and then i thought, let me guess, they have sex and i went home and went to sleep. >> you are psych igicpsychic, mika. >> i loved aboyhood" and thought was a dud of a year. >> hugely boring yes. >> the movies were either depressing or slow and i'll get so much hate mail but i could not get into "birdman." started watching that movie four times and could not get pacht the first 15 minutes and i love michael keaton. >> the way he's able to shoot though incredibly long takes. just the bravado behind it was incredible. >> maybe i shouldn't watch with teenagers in the room. the case i constantly had to
say i'll watch it again. >> this is the lowest box office year in i think, five years. >> really? >> for nominated movies. so it's a 1 -- 999 million which is half of what it was last year. and the only movie that's caught on in a big way is "american sniper." >> that has really gone off the charts. >> yes. >> i'm surprised that it wouldn't be -- is it a contender? >> a contender. >> bradley cooper, it might be the big sleeper of oscar season. >> gosh, i think it should be. >> but i don't think -- i think all the predictive voting before says no. >> do you think the show will do well? >> the thing with the show. always movies no one's seen or invested in. ask 100 people if they've seen "whiplash" two might say, yes. they're stacking the deck at the oscars at the broadcast. putting in snubbed actors. jennifer aniston, going to have viola davis answer the diversity
question. getting a lot of actors of color on the stage. trying to do everything they can to make this work. >> interesting dynamic. >> this was the lowest rated grammys we've seen in a long time. >> i liked the grammys. revealing which states are the best and worst for young women. the try earcriteria? >> teamed up with research and crunching number as decade. there's no one best state but a lot of little surprises. one really interesting thing is that here in new york young women, women under 35 are actually outearning male peers. $1 fors 1 and pay gap is still there. >> and the book i have coming out about women bread winners and these numbers going up and something is happening. might have been in part of mancession? >> women's jobs not at hard hit as men's were say in finance be but also that women in new york are choosing to have children a
little later. 27 or 28 on average versus say 23 in the state of wyoming and unfortunately right now in the workplace there is still this sort of quote/unquote mommy penalty. women's wages will dip after she has children. one interesting thing, if talking about women, women bread winners is that in d.c. women earn a lot but also work incredibly long hours and p.s. they're tipsy. it's the highest rate of binge drinking among young women anywhere in the state. >> what can i say? what are they tipsy on actually? >> we didn't inquire whether it was tequila or wine. wining and dining taking its toll. >> the best and worst states though? looking at vermont and maine, highest rates of depression? >> highest rates of depression. look at things like places like california and hawaii women are incredibly happy. that's a lot of it has to do with the weather. basically two things that are going to make you happier as a woman. and it's sunshine and friends. so either you want to live in a sunny place or for instance in new jersey where there's high
population density and a lot of people there you see women with big social support systems. they're happier. it makes you happier. >> makes sense and might pertain to nen as well. >> my home state of texas was on the list unfortunately on the wrong side of the list for unhealthiness. right? >> lower rates of exercise than there are, for instance in places like oregon or alaska. because people are naturally outdoors in those places, whereas in texas, often because of the heat, people are kept inside so the things that help women exercise more generally it's not more gym time. it's just living in a place where it's easy to be outside. >> i can speak of that. when in texas i did go to the gym all the time in my car. drive there, and once i moved to new york i couldn't afford a gym membership here. just walking around having a day lie lifestyle in new york actually kept me more fit than going to the gym. >> had you hungry because you work out so much? how about a guy bringing us some food? >> i love it. >> stay with us. would you like to lose a pound a day? i didn't believe -- you really
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celebrity chef rocco dispirito, author of the new book "cook your butt off" and he's brought some of his healthy dishes from that book. i like it. a pound a day. come on. a pound a day? >> i'm not saying you need to lose a pound a day. i'm saying you can cook your butt off. >> you just did. health aspects, i'm going to jump in on that. >> beat me up pretty good last time but i'm still here. >> i'm flattered. you have to do it carefully. tell us about the recipes? >> safe rapid weight-loss as possible, weight loss at any cost i don't recommend pap juice diet for too long i don't recommend. the cool part of this you actually can cook your butt off, because i counted the calorie burn for preparing each of these recipes, and these are all negative net calories. so if you consume this food the muffins, the cauliflower with
kale. chicken, thin mints you'll burn 560 calories. your net calories for the day is 131. >> this is aggressive chopping? what am i doing to burn the calories? >> on the treadmill. >> here are the thing -- >> confused. >> wearing a fitbit forever. while cooking my steps increased rapidly. a higher level of activity during cooking and occurred oh my god. cooking is a cadrdiovascular exercise. send a picture. you don't have to do push-ups if between coors coarses. >> what, hypothetically, you're a busy, working mom and don't actually have time to spend half an hour chopping dinner every night? how does this work? >> do you have time to go to rocco dispirito dotcom and buy the kit? buy the consume at home with
everything you need and makes it much, much more simple. i deliver food every day, a million snacks to buy if you're busy on the go. >> bianca? >> who is your target audience. >> 67% of american who's overweight and obese. a big number. >> a lot of competition in that field and appealing to these people. what makes your book stand out? >> i can say that. i can tell you. they're easy to follow. >> wow, great. >> easy to follow. i've done a few of these at home and i'm a terrible cook. i burn everything and -- >> burn salad. >> oil every wre. oh i can burn salad. talk about cooking your butt off, the that kitchen is a mess by the time i'm done. it wasn't. it's organized, easy for people in a huge rush. >> great to hear. you have no idea how much time pe spend trying to make the recipes easy to follow. to hear it works, it's great. >> i'm looking at these dishes. why do they have more value than another -- >> nutritionally dense.
gluten free and -- the three primary obesejens that affect -- calorically dense and the wheat we eat today is not the wheat from 50 years ago or not that they eat in italy, france and spain because of gmo wheat, it does terrible things to our body. including create what's called leptin, a hormone or body creates tells us when we're full. you eat foods with lost of gluten, that leptin starts to form and you never feel full. >> fascinating and one of the tricks of the, what i think, the backwardness of the american diet is. sugar, salt, fat and all of these different things created in our system -- that makes us want to eat more. >> yes. >> bad food. >> you're saying though, i get that this is an option. the food delivery but essentially your message is cook at home learn to cook at
home. that's the only way? >> my message has always been try to cook at home as much as possible. add one night a week one night a month, better than nothing. when you cook at home you make better choices than most big food companies do. >> what about counting calories at restaurants? has that helped society? >> i think it's absolutely essential and hope it become as law across the nation, because i don't know if you know when starbucks listed calories their menus changed completely. >> exactly. >> people stopped buying a lot of the mocha frappuccinos 2 z 8 s2,800 calories. >> rocco dispirito. you have survived. three times. >> do i get a medal? >> you do. up next what, if anything, did we learn today?
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advice. "the rundown" is up next. have a great day, everybody. good morning. i'm jose diaz-balart, and developing now on "the rundown," the third and final day of the white house summit on fighting violent extremism is under way. even as a turf war over terminology threatens to overshadow the difficult work being done. live pictures of the summit from secretary of state john kerry is kicking off day three. president obama speaks at the state department in about 90 minutes and can you see that right here on msnbc during our next hour. it's his second speech in two days on this topic. yesterday the president laid out a product outline of how to cut the legs out from under isis and al qaeda by depriving them of new recruits. the president went out of his way to avoid terms like islamic extremism saying he doesn't feed the false notion of

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