Transcripts For MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews 20180118

If the press were not fake and if it was honest, the press would have said what i said was very nice. Wait a minute. Im not finished. Im not finished, fake news. The press honestly is out of control. The level of dishonesty is out of control. The public doesnt believe you people anymore. Now, maybe i had something to do with that, i dont know. As you know i have a running war with the media. They are among the most dishonest human beings on earth. The media. In other words, the fake news. Any media that dislikes what hes done. Today, the president received a Double Rebuke from members of his own party. In a column for the Washington Post senator john mccain said President Trump is sending a dangerous message to the world. He wrote the while Administration Officials often condemn violence against reporters abroad trump continues his attacks on the Integrity Of American Journalists and news outlets providing cover for repressive regimes to follow suit. On the senate floor this morning, mccains colleague jeff flake criticized the president for using a term associated with the former soviet dictator Joseph Stalin. Lets watch. The enemy of the people was how the president of the United States called the free press in 2017. It is a tes tament to the condition of our democracy that our own president uses words infamously spoken by Joseph Stalin to describe his enemies. This alone should be the source of great shame for us and this body. Especially for those of us in the president s party. For they are shameful, repulsive statements. When a figure in Power Reflexively calls any press that doesnt suit him, fake news, it is that person who should be the figure of suspicion, not the press. We know no matter how powerful, no president will ever have dominion over objective reality. No politician will ever get or tell us what the truth is and what it is not. And anyone who presumes to try to attack or manipulate the press for his own purposes should be made to realize his mistake and to be held to account. Those where is two impressive statements but at the White House Briefing today, Sarah Huckabee sanders dismissed his speech as a cry for attention. Hes not criticizing the president because hes against oppression. Hes criticizing the president because he has terrible poll numbers. And he is, i think, looking for some attention. I think its unfortunate and certainly i think our position here at the white house is that we welcome access to the media every day. That was pathetic. Then there was the theater of the absurd for weeks, the president has been teasing in an Award Ceremony of sorts for the most dishonest or Corrupt Media Awards of the year. He wrote subjects will cover dishonesty and bad reporting in various categories from the fake news media. Last week, he wrote the fake news awards, those are going to the most corrupt and Biassed Of The Mainstream Pedia will be presented wednesday, january 17th. Thats today. At her briefing today, sanders promised something later today. As of this hour, its still a mystery what it is. Thats the absurd. Heres the reality. According to committee to the protect journalists 42 were killed last year doing their jobs. Another 262 were imprisoned, 21 arrested on charges of false news. Those were the phrase used. Im joined by senator Richard Blumenthal of connecticut, columnist eugene robinson, and katie townsend, the litigation director for the Reporters Committee for freedom of the press. I want to start with katie. Congratulations on your organization. Thank you. Tell me whats the danger of the press, just using the press as his tackling dummy because he doesnt like objective reporting, not opinion like eugene. Hes afraid it seems to me of front page facts that are thrown out there as part of regular daily reporting. He doesnt want that objective reality confronting his behavior. These relentless attacks on the credibility of journalists, use of the fake news term repeatedly calling the press the enemy of the people, these have real world effects, not just here in the United States where weve seen an uptick in threats against members of the media just simply doing their jobs but also abroad. I think as both senator mccain and senator flake pointed out today, the president s words matter. They have an impact when the president of the United States uses the term fake news to criticize reporting that he doesnt like, that language is used as a license by people like assad in syria, duterte in the philippines to Call Reporting they dont like fake news. Senator, when he uses this as a broad brush when he doesnt win the popular vote. Theres not a Single Person that believes he won the popular vote. He says he did. He said the only reason its not counted that way is because all these people that added to hillarys popular vote were foreigners illegally will voting in the the country. He lies like that. Thats his idea of news. When the history of this time is written, chris and ive said it before, the heroes will be our free press and the Judiciary Bulwarks of our democracy. When the president says he won the popular vote when he says that the crowd at inaugural was the biggest ever, the president has stood up to him. Think about what we would not know now about russian meddling in our election, about the attempts to cover up and obstruct justice, whether its the Air Force One statement or the trump tower meeting, and katie is right. The real world effects are staggering, not only abroad where 262 journalists have been doing a very good job. Youre supposed to hold them accountable. What President Trump is doing is something different. Hes trying to erase the line between what is true and what is not true. Erase the line between reality and his own convenient fantasy, his own version of reality to have a democracy, we have to have a chronicle of events that we all agree on. We have to have an encyclopedia of facts we all agree on. Then we can argue what to do with those things and what those events mean and what those facts mean. But hes trying to warp reality to suit his own political purposes, and his own ego half the time. I think its more psychological than political. But its very dangerous. Senator. It is dangerous because its also different from past president s. Anybody like me or anyone else in public life has to also have a thick skin and answer tough are. Its the latest from the castro brothers. The bad brothers. But the point is very important to make that more than words are necessary here. Just last spring, the president of the United States threatened to Jail Reporters asked his Attorney General to consider Jailing Reporters if they will published classified information. We all know Prairie Strant and that kind of action is unconstitutional, but the threat of it is chilling. And my republican colleagues as well as democrats need to do as well as say what they mean to protect the free press. Then the absurdity of the president of all people calling out fake news. He seems to treat rumorsen an Tabloid Fodder as reliably as his Daily Briefing from the cia. Lets watch the president in action. Trump comes along and said, birth certificate. He gave a birth certificate. Whether or not that was a real certificate because a lot of people question it, i certainly question it. His father was with Lee Harvey Oswald prior to oswalds being you know, shot. I mean the wholening is ridiculous. That was reported and nobody talks about it. I guess it was the Biggest Electoral College win since ronald reagan. Why should Americans Trust you when you accuse the information they receive of being fake when youre providing information thats. I dont know. Actually, ive seen that information around. Earlier you said president obama never called the families of fallen soldiers. How can you make that claim. No, i was told that he didnt often. I dont know. What do i know about it . All i know is whats on the internet. All i know. Gene, a willingness to spew out nonsense about a political opponent. Im no fan of ted cruz, nor is anybody but his father helped kill kennedy . How can you throw that crap out and your troops your 38 believe you . How do you work with a guy after he said that about your father. You know. Because hes. Its difficult to know how much of this is deliberate toward a political end and how much of this is just donald trump. He trafficked in Wild Ridiculous Con Spiry theories long before he became a politician. This is who he is on some level. Hes willing to believe this stuff. How can he say things all i know is what i read in the national enquirer. Hes saying his iq is about 3 . Why would you say you believe all that stuff . Senator, explain that. You must have some trump voters in connecticut . We have a fair number of trump voters in connecticut. What do they make of this clown show . I think that dismissing it as a clown show is a disservice to how threatening and how dangerous it really is because it is undermining Angkor Rosive to our democracy. And the real threat here is that people will lose faith although frankly, what i hear in connecticut is that folks are watching msnbc. Right. Theyre watching this show, watching other cable. Theyre reading at levels never before seen, and i think it is that kind of reaction that should be inspiring to many of us. Also bad clowns. Thank you, senator, blumenthal. Eugene robinson, katie. Coming up, learning more about Steve Bannons bizarre testimony yesterday in the russia investigation. His attorney was on the phone with the white house in realtime with white House Attorneys instructing bannon apparently on what questions he could answer and which he couldnt answer. Democrats say the white house trying to gag bannon. Maybe he wants to be gagged. There could be collusion between bannon and the white house. Plus, its even worse than you think. Thats the title of a new book by david k. Johnson about what donald trump is doing to our country, some of the secret stuff in the regulatory era we havent paid enough attention to. We will tonight. He joins us. And trumps racial language derailed hopes of saving daca and avoiding a Government Shutdown this friday night. We heard it last week from the president. Today we got similar talk, this time from his Attorney General. Let me finish with trump watch. He wont like it. Had is hardball where the action is. About medicine, but we know a lot about drama. From scandalous romance, to ridiculous plot twists. gasping son . Dad we also know you can avoid drama by getting an annual checkup. So were partnering with cigna to remind you to go see a real doctor. Go, know, and take control of your health. It could save your life. Doctor poses dad cigna. Together, all the way. Keep it comin love. If you keep on eating, well Keep It Comin. All you can eat riblets and tenders at applebees. Now thats eatin good in the neighborhood. Senator john mccain defended the freedom of our press. For more than that, far more than that, he has also developed a warm relationship with the media, one that has evaded our current president. That relationship by mccain with the media was most clearly on display during the 2008 president ial campaign when he spoke at the Al Smith Dinner up in new york. Lets watch. Its fun. Well be right back. Some advocates for senator obama are less restrained in our enthusiasm, even in the media. Usually is at table 228 for example, is my old friend and green room pal chris matthews. He used to like me but he found somebody new. Somebody who opened his eyes so body who gave him a thrill up his leg. And weve talked about it. I told him maverick i can do. But messiah is bob my pay grade. Is above my pay grade. You know, its going to be a long, long night at msnbc if i manage to pull this thing off. He has a sense of humor. A good man. I dont agree with him on a lot of stuff but a good man. Well be right back. This is frank. Sup this is franks favorite record. This is franks dog. And this is franks record shop. Frank knowns northern soul, but how to set up a limited liability company. Whats that mean . Not so much. So he turned to his friends at legalzoom. Yup they hooked me up. We helped with his llc, contracts, and some other stuff thats part of running a business. So frank can focus on the beat. You hear that . This is franks record shop. And this is where life meets legal. Your insurance on time. Tap one little bumper, and up go your rates. What good is having insurance if you get punished for using it . News flash nobodys perfect. For drivers with accident forgiveness, Liberty Mutual wont raise your rates due to your first accident. Switch and you could save 782 on home and auto insurance. Call for a free quote today. Liberty stands with you™ Liberty Mutual insurance. Welcome back to hardball. Former white house strategist steve bannon is at the center of a growing showdown whether the white house can effectively gag witnesses in the russia investigation. During his 11hour appearance before the House Intelligence Committee yesterday, he said the white house instructed him not to answer questions about his time in the white house or in the transition. In an effort to compel his testimony, the committee Subpoenaed Bannon On The Spot yesterday. However, nbc news reports now that after the subpoena was issued bannon attorney William Burke conferred with the white house officials who continued to insys that bannon should still not answer the committees questions. Despite following those orders for the most part, axios is today Reporting Bannon made one conspicuous slipup. Bannon admitted he had had conversations with reince priebus, sean spicer and legal spokesman mark corallo about don juniors, thats donald trump jr. s infamous meeting with the russians in trump tower in june 2016. They were all talking about that meeting at the white house. Meanwhile, after the Special Counsel also served bannon with a grand jury subpoena last week, a source close to his lawyers tell nbc news now that bannon will now be questioned by Robert Muellers team instead of testifying before a grand jury. Lets get to what that means. Im joined by about denny heck who sits on the House Intelligence Committee, julia ansley, reporter with nbc news, and joyce vance, a former federal prosecutor. Talk about this congressman. What about this slipup where yesterday in his testimony before your committee, steve bannon admitted they had talked in the white house about that meeting at Trump Tower Involving Donald Junior and jared and manafort and the russians. Well, after 11 hours anybody is bound 0 let the truth out a little bit, chris. The question here that has prompted this, what are they trying to hide . We shouldnt be surprised. This is an administration that is the first in American History at least modern history not to disclose the president s tax returns. Now evidently he is instructing witnesses before the Intelligence Committee to withhold information. What are they trying to hide, chris. Let me get back to what you must think. That surmise i think appropriately is what bannon himself said in the book, Michael Wolffs book. Theyre worried appropriately about Money Laundering involving jared and donald junior, the whole bunch of them because somehow they might be involved with having a criminal enterprise on the way to the white house. Some way to make money as they run for president. I assume thats what steve bannon says they ought to be worried about. Thats what he said. Im not going to get into the specs of what he said by committee policy. But i will say this. Whether or not he gets away with stiff arming the Intelligence Committee, hes not going to get away with stiff arming bob mueller. Chris, i dont know that you know this, but you know what bob muellers nickname was when he arrived at the Department Of Justice . It was bobby three sticks. Robert mueller iii, Robert Mueller the hockey player and Robert Mueller the boy scout. He is straight as they can be. He its his lunch at his desk every day, a decorated marine veteran who i think won the purple heart. This guy is laser focused in on getting at the truth and steve bannon nor the white house is going to stand in his way. Bannons refusal to answer questions at behest of the white house spurred debate over Double Rebuke<\/a> from members of his own party. In a column for the Washington Post<\/a> senator john mccain said President Trump<\/a> is sending a dangerous message to the world. He wrote the while Administration Officials<\/a> often condemn violence against reporters abroad trump continues his attacks on the Integrity Of American Journalists<\/a> and news outlets providing cover for repressive regimes to follow suit. On the senate floor this\rmorning, mccains colleague jeff flake criticized the president for using a term associated with the former soviet dictator Joseph Stalin<\/a>. Lets watch. The enemy of the people was how the president of the United States<\/a> called the free press in 2017. It is a tes tament to the condition of our democracy that our own president uses words infamously spoken by Joseph Stalin<\/a> to describe his enemies. This alone should be the source of great shame for us and this body. Especially for those of us in the president s party. For they are shameful, repulsive statements. When a figure in Power Reflexively<\/a> calls any press that doesnt suit him, fake news, it is that person who should be the figure of suspicion, not the press. We know no matter how powerful, no president will ever have dominion over objective reality. No politician will ever get or tell us what the truth is and what it is not. And anyone who presumes to try to attack or manipulate the\rpress for his own purposes should be made to realize his mistake and to be held to account. Those where is two impressive statements but at the White House Briefing<\/a> today, Sarah Huckabee<\/a> sanders dismissed his speech as a cry for attention. Hes not criticizing the president because hes against oppression. Hes criticizing the president because he has terrible poll numbers. And he is, i think, looking for some attention. I think its unfortunate and certainly i think our position here at the white house is that we welcome access to the media every day. That was pathetic. Then there was the theater of the absurd for weeks, the president has been teasing in an Award Ceremony<\/a> of sorts for the most dishonest or Corrupt Media Awards<\/a> of the year. He wrote subjects will cover dishonesty and bad reporting in various categories from the fake news media. Last week, he wrote the fake news awards, those are going to\rthe most corrupt and Biassed Of The Mainstream Pedia<\/a> will be presented wednesday, january 17th. Thats today. At her briefing today, sanders promised something later today. As of this hour, its still a mystery what it is. Thats the absurd. Heres the reality. According to committee to the protect journalists 42 were killed last year doing their jobs. Another 262 were imprisoned, 21 arrested on charges of false news. Those were the phrase used. Im joined by senator Richard Blumenthal<\/a> of connecticut, columnist eugene robinson, and katie townsend, the litigation director for the Reporters Committee<\/a> for freedom of the press. I want to start with katie. Congratulations on your organization. Thank you. Tell me whats the danger of the press, just using the press as his tackling dummy because he doesnt like objective reporting, not opinion like eugene. Hes afraid it seems to me of front page facts that are thrown\rout there as part of regular daily reporting. He doesnt want that objective reality confronting his behavior. These relentless attacks on the credibility of journalists, use of the fake news term repeatedly calling the press the enemy of the people, these have real world effects, not just here in the United States<\/a> where weve seen an uptick in threats against members of the media just simply doing their jobs but also abroad. I think as both senator mccain and senator flake pointed out today, the president s words matter. They have an impact when the president of the United States<\/a> uses the term fake news to criticize reporting that he doesnt like, that language is used as a license by people like assad in syria, duterte in the philippines to Call Reporting<\/a> they dont like fake news. Senator, when he uses this as a broad brush when he doesnt win the popular vote. Theres not a Single Person<\/a> that believes he won the popular\rvote. He says he did. He said the only reason its not counted that way is because all these people that added to hillarys popular vote were foreigners illegally will voting in the the country. He lies like that. Thats his idea of news. When the history of this time is written, chris and ive said it before, the heroes will be our free press and the Judiciary Bulwarks<\/a> of our democracy. When the president says he won the popular vote when he says that the crowd at inaugural was the biggest ever, the president has stood up to him. Think about what we would not know now about russian meddling in our election, about the attempts to cover up and obstruct justice, whether its the Air Force One<\/a> statement or the trump tower meeting, and katie is right. The real world effects are staggering, not only abroad where 262 journalists have been\rdoing a very good job. Youre supposed to hold them accountable. What President Trump<\/a> is doing is something different. Hes trying to erase the line between what is true and what is not true. Erase the line between reality and his own convenient fantasy, his own version of reality to have a democracy, we have to have a chronicle of events that we all agree on. We have to have an encyclopedia of facts we all agree on. Then we can argue what to do with those things and what those events mean and what those facts mean. But hes trying to warp reality to suit his own political purposes, and his own ego half the time. I think its more psychological than political. But its very dangerous. Senator. It is dangerous because its also different from past president s. Anybody like me or anyone else in public life has to also have a thick skin and answer tough\rare. Its the latest from the castro brothers. The bad brothers. But the point is very important to make that more than words are necessary here. Just last spring, the president of the United States<\/a> threatened to Jail Reporters<\/a> asked his Attorney General<\/a> to consider Jailing Reporters<\/a> if they will published classified information. We all know Prairie Strant<\/a> and that kind of action is unconstitutional, but the threat of it is chilling. And my republican colleagues as well as democrats need to do as well as say what they mean to protect the free press. Then the absurdity of the president of all people calling out fake news. He seems to treat rumorsen an Tabloid Fodder<\/a> as reliably as his Daily Briefing<\/a> from the cia. Lets watch the president in action. Trump comes along and said, birth certificate. He gave a birth certificate. Whether or not that was a real certificate because a lot of people question it, i certainly\rquestion it. His father was with Lee Harvey Oswald<\/a> prior to oswalds being you know, shot. I mean the wholening is ridiculous. That was reported and nobody talks about it. I guess it was the Biggest Electoral College<\/a> win since ronald reagan. Why should Americans Trust<\/a> you when you accuse the information they receive of being fake when youre providing information thats. I dont know. Actually, ive seen that information around. Earlier you said president obama never called the families of fallen soldiers. How can you make that claim. No, i was told that he didnt often. I dont know. What do i know about it . All i know is whats on the internet. All i know. Gene, a willingness to spew out nonsense about a political opponent. Im no fan of ted cruz, nor is anybody but his father helped kill kennedy . How can you throw that crap out and your troops your 38 believe you . How do you work with a guy after he said that about your\rfather. You know. Because hes. Its difficult to know how much of this is deliberate toward a political end and how much of this is just donald trump. He trafficked in Wild Ridiculous Con Spiry<\/a> theories long before he became a politician. This is who he is on some level. Hes willing to believe this stuff. How can he say things all i know is what i read in the national enquirer. Hes saying his iq is about 3 . Why would you say you believe all that stuff . Senator, explain that. You must have some trump voters in connecticut . We have a fair number of trump voters in connecticut. What do they make of this clown show . I think that dismissing it as a clown show is a disservice to how threatening and how dangerous it really is because it is undermining Angkor Rosive<\/a> to our democracy. And the real threat here is that people will lose faith although\rfrankly, what i hear in connecticut is that folks are watching msnbc. Right. Theyre watching this show, watching other cable. Theyre reading at levels never before seen, and i think it is that kind of reaction that should be inspiring to many of us. Also bad clowns. Thank you, senator, blumenthal. Eugene robinson, katie. Coming up, learning more about Steve Bannons<\/a> bizarre testimony yesterday in the russia investigation. His attorney was on the phone with the white house in realtime with white House Attorneys<\/a> instructing bannon apparently on what questions he could answer and which he couldnt answer. Democrats say the white house trying to gag bannon. Maybe he wants to be gagged. There could be collusion between bannon and the white house. Plus, its even worse than you think. Thats the title of a new book by david k. Johnson about what donald trump is doing to our country, some of the secret stuff in the regulatory era we\rhavent paid enough attention to. We will tonight. He joins us. And trumps racial language derailed hopes of saving daca and avoiding a Government Shutdown<\/a> this friday night. We heard it last week from the president. Today we got similar talk, this time from his Attorney General<\/a>. Let me finish with trump watch. He wont like it. Had is hardball where the action is. About medicine, but we know a lot about drama. From scandalous romance, to ridiculous plot twists. gasping son . Dad we also know you can avoid drama by getting an annual checkup. So were partnering with cigna to remind you to go see a real doctor. Go, know, and take control of your health. It could save your life. Doctor poses dad cigna. Together, all the way. Keep it comin love. If you keep on eating, well Keep It Comin<\/a>. All you can eat riblets and tenders at applebees. Now thats eatin good in the neighborhood. Senator john mccain defended the freedom of our press. For more than that, far more than that, he has also developed a warm relationship with the media, one that has evaded our current president. That relationship by mccain with the media was most clearly on display during the 2008 president ial campaign when he spoke at the Al Smith Dinner<\/a> up in new york. Lets watch. Its fun. Well be right back. Some advocates for senator obama are less restrained in our enthusiasm, even in the media. Usually is at table 228 for example, is my old friend and green room pal chris matthews. He used to like me but he found somebody new. Somebody who opened his eyes so body who gave him a thrill up his leg. And weve talked about it. I told him maverick i can do. But messiah is bob my pay grade. Is above my pay grade. You know, its going to be a long, long night at msnbc if i manage to pull this thing off. He has a sense of humor. A good man. I dont agree with him on a lot of stuff but a good man. Well be right back. This is frank. Sup this is franks favorite record. This is franks dog. And this is franks record shop. Frank knowns northern soul, but how to set up a limited liability company. Whats that mean . Not so much. So he turned to his friends at legalzoom. Yup they hooked me up. We helped with his llc, contracts, and some other stuff thats part of running a business. So frank can focus on the beat. You hear that . This is franks record shop. And this is where life meets legal. Your insurance on time. Tap one little bumper, and up go your rates. What good is having insurance if you get punished for using it . News flash nobodys perfect. For drivers with accident forgiveness, Liberty Mutual<\/a> wont raise your rates due to your first accident. Switch and you could save 782 on home and auto insurance. Call\rfor a free quote today. Liberty stands with you\u2122 Liberty Mutual<\/a> insurance. Welcome back to hardball. Former white house strategist steve bannon is at the center of a growing showdown whether the white house can effectively gag witnesses in the russia\rinvestigation. During his 11hour appearance before the House Intelligence Committee<\/a> yesterday, he said the white house instructed him not to answer questions about his time in the white house or in the transition. In an effort to compel his testimony, the committee Subpoenaed Bannon On The Spot<\/a> yesterday. However, nbc news reports now that after the subpoena was issued bannon attorney William Burke<\/a> conferred with the white house officials who continued to insys that bannon should still not answer the committees questions. Despite following those orders for the most part, axios is today Reporting Bannon<\/a> made one conspicuous slipup. Bannon admitted he had had conversations with reince priebus, sean spicer and legal spokesman mark corallo about don juniors, thats donald trump jr. s infamous meeting with the russians in trump tower in june 2016. They were all talking about that meeting at the white house. Meanwhile, after the Special Counsel<\/a> also served bannon with a grand jury subpoena last week, a source close to his lawyers tell nbc news now that bannon\rwill now be questioned by Robert Muellers<\/a> team instead of testifying before a grand jury. Lets get to what that means. Im joined by about denny heck who sits on the House Intelligence Committee<\/a>, julia ansley, reporter with nbc news, and joyce vance, a former federal prosecutor. Talk about this congressman. What about this slipup where yesterday in his testimony before your committee, steve bannon admitted they had talked in the white house about that meeting at Trump Tower Involving Donald Junior<\/a> and jared and manafort and the russians. Well, after 11 hours anybody is bound 0 let the truth out a little bit, chris. The question here that has prompted this, what are they trying to hide . We shouldnt be surprised. This is an administration that is the first in American History<\/a> at least modern history not to disclose the president s tax returns. Now evidently he is instructing witnesses before the Intelligence Committee<\/a> to withhold information. What are they trying to hide,\rchris. Let me get back to what you must think. That surmise i think appropriately is what bannon himself said in the book, Michael Wolffs<\/a> book. Theyre worried appropriately about Money Laundering<\/a> involving jared and donald junior, the whole bunch of them because somehow they might be involved with having a criminal enterprise on the way to the white house. Some way to make money as they run for president. I assume thats what steve bannon says they ought to be worried about. Thats what he said. Im not going to get into the specs of what he said by committee policy. But i will say this. Whether or not he gets away with stiff arming the Intelligence Committee<\/a>, hes not going to get away with stiff arming bob mueller. Chris, i dont know that you know this, but you know what bob muellers nickname was when he arrived at the Department Of Justice<\/a> . It was bobby three sticks. Robert mueller iii, Robert Mueller<\/a> the hockey player and Robert Mueller<\/a> the boy scout. He is straight as they can be. He its his lunch at his desk every day, a decorated marine\rveteran who i think won the purple heart. This guy is laser focused in on getting at the truth and steve bannon nor the white house is going to stand in his way. Bannons refusal to answer questions at behest of the white house spurred debate over Executive Privilege<\/a> which allows the president to keep certain White House Communications<\/a> private. The white house is not officially invoking that privilege yet but lawmakers tell us it reserved the right to do so. Last night the ranking democrat on the committee, adam schiff, we know him well, accused the white house of gagging a key witness in this investigation. The scope of this assertion of privilege, if thats what it is, is breathtaking. It goes well beyond anything we have seen in this investigation. This was effectively a gag order by the white house preventing this witness from answering almost any question concerning his time in the transition or the administration and many questions even after he left the administration. However, white house press\rsecretary Sarah Huckabee<\/a> sanders said today the Trump White House<\/a> is only following the same procedure she says as past administrations. This white house is following the same practice that many white houses before us have that have gone back decades that there is a process that you go through anytime you have congressional inquiries touching upon white house, the congress should consult with the white house prior to obtaining confidential material. Executive privilege is something that goes back decades because its something that needs to be protected. Whether its during this administration or one 20 years from now, we want to make sure we follow the process and the precedent. Thats all thats taking place here. Theres the meat of the story tonight. Youre on top of this, julia. It seems to me the president is worried. His people are worried. He was sitting around in the oval office, weve seen pictures with his feet up on desk going, sitting around shooting whatever. Talking about the whole question\rof what theyre facing. Whats what people do in politics. How are we exposed. What happened in the meeting . What did donds junior do . Who set up the meeting all that stuff and all the time theres bannon in the room with them. Bannon has all this in his head. Trump knows it. Hes fired bannon after trusting him for all those months. He must be scared to death. What did i say while he was in the room and what can he bring against me to bob mueller when the time comes. Thats exactly the argument. Thats why the white house is so worried what bannon might say. He expos him to a lot of vulnerabilities not only because he was in the room and around during the campaign, transition and into the white house but because bannon is not implicated in a lot of this. Just from the fact he was subpoenaed, hes not the target of this investigation. Therefore, he can go forward and say a lot. He can talk about the conversations that he had with\rpriebus and spicer like what he slipped on yesterday. Its almost a warning shot. The meeting in june at the trump tower. To say look what i know. His attitude towards jared and donald trump jr. He doesnt think much of these nepotism types. Yeah, that all came out in the book, obviously. If you think about it, bannon and kind of the breitbart band, people who come from the outside. They dont like nepotism, they dont like the swamp. He would be against someone like a jared kushner. And, of course, priebus, as well. He wants to kind of establish himself as an outsider and hes always gotten under their skin and now hes in a position to do it more than ever. He has the truth, a memory and hes a pretty smart guy. Steve bannon reportedly told Michael Wolff<\/a> he doesnt believe claims of Executive Privilege<\/a> can protect the white house from mueller. According to wolffs book, he said theres no Executive Privilege<\/a>. Weve proved that with watergate. Theyre sitting on a beach trying to stop a category 5. Joyce vance, what do you make of this, weve been through nixon, weve been through cases where theyve tried at the white house to say we cant talk almost like a husband cant testify against his spouse or Something Like<\/a> that. How hard is that principle of Executive Privilege<\/a> here . You know, Executive Privilege<\/a> is one of those amorphous legal topics not fully fleshed out. It develops over time in the case law. So the question, does it protect these kinds of Testimonial Experiences<\/a> that the white house is trying to apparently shut down . The most interesting aspect of this problem is that so far, the white house has gotten away without having the president actually invoke the privilege. And so none of these witnesses can s are obligated to avoid answering the questions. Bannon could have gone ahead and testified because the white house had not invoked it. We wont see a real test of the privilege until its invoked until it comes before a tribunal. One thing i do think is correct\ris hell have a lot less success in front of bob mueller than hell have had on the hill. Tough question now. Suppose steve bannon wants to tell the truth and the white house reaches outs to him and says you cant. Whats to stop hip . What penalty would he face if he decided to tell it all . Regardless of what the white house lawyers say about Executive Privilege<\/a>. He wont face any penalty whatsoever in front of the grand jury. He can go in, he can testify, the rules of evidence have very limited application there. If they were still on the hill, the white house could perhaps go to court, file some sort of a temporary Restraining Order<\/a> to keep him from testifying until the Privilege Issue<\/a> was decided. But heres the doubleedged sword for the white house. Once they start trying to keep a broad brush of bannons testimony out of the view of investigators, it really looks more and more like they have something to hide. Executive privilege should have a narrow focus on deliberative type issues. Its not meant to entirely\rexclude the activities of an administration from start to finish from investigators view. Okay. Weve got a republican supreme court, however. Well see. The congressman, thank you denny heck of Washington State<\/a> and thank you julia ansley of nbc news and joyce vance. Thank you for your expertise. Up next well speak to a journalist who has covered trump for decades. David johnson is out with a new book saying the Trump Administration<\/a>ings is destroying our book. Its worse than you think. Thats going to be interesting. This is hardball where the action is. Prestige creams not living up to the hype . Olay regenerist shatters the competition. Big hype. Big price. Big deal. Olay regenerist hydrates skin better than creams costing over 100, 200, and even 400. For skin that looks younger than it should. Fact check this ad in good housekeeping. Olay regenerist. Ageless. Now try Olay Hydrating Eye Hydrates<\/a> better than 1 prestige eye cream. Weve begun the most farreaching Regulatory Reform<\/a> in American History<\/a>. So together, lets cut the red tape. Lets set free our dreams and yes, lets make America Great<\/a> again. So this is what we have now. This is where we were in 1960. And when were finished, which wont be in too long a period of time, we will be less than where we were in 1960, and we have a great regulatory climate. Okay . Welcome back to hardball. That was President Trump<\/a> last month literally cutting through the red tape of government regulations. In his new book its even worse than you think, what the Trump Administration<\/a> is doing to america, David Johnson<\/a> writes this is an administration that looks for the least qualified on\rthe most aggressive termites to eat away at the structure of government. He notes the Trump Administration<\/a> has rolled back environmental and worker safety protections with the Occupational Safety<\/a> and Health Administration<\/a> even removing data on worker fatalities. People that get killed on the job from its website. And has proposed reducing spending on science, education veterans. Hes nominated people Like Environmental Protection Agency<\/a> administrator scott pruitt who himself sued the epa14 times as oklahoma ag. And just last night, the Washington Post<\/a> reported that more than threequarts of the members board at the National Park<\/a> service quit out of frustration that interior secretary ryan zinke key refused to even meet with them or convene a single meeting last year. Im joined by author david k. Johnson. I just got a note from the head of the peace corps. She just quit the park Service Board<\/a> because they never meet. I get the sense one of the reasons the dow jones is going up, its generally good news but in this case i wonder if it\rpolicy. It means all the stuff we rooted for for the last 40, 350 years, the clean air and water act, are being termited to death, being killed by administrator whos want the government to fail in its mission. Your thoughts . Exactly. And chris, theres no free lunch. If youre not going to enforce pollution laws, youre going to have more people get cancer, children develop asthma, more people with heart disease. If youre going to stop making sure that we do the best we can or at least try to reduce worker deaths, 4800 a year in recent years, and withdraw the data, more workers are going to die and more marginal employers are going to pay less respect to safety practices. Plenty of places i would be thoroughly in favor of redoing or simplifying regulations but thats not what theyre doing. Theyre putting the people from the industries that are affected in charge and letting them\rremove the regulations that are designed to protect public health, public safety. You know, every time people say they dont like regulation, i say when you open up a can of tuna fish, you open it up, you want to know if its safe and how you know . You dont like regulation. You want to get on an airplane thats not safe . What do you mean you dont want regulation. Write in your book Donald Trumps<\/a> manifestly unfit to hold any public office. He lacks the emotional stability, knowledge, Critical Thinking<\/a> skills and the judgment to be commander in chief. How do you know that . From Knowing Donald<\/a> for 30 years and from his own behavior. I mean, donald is just paulingly ignorant about the world. This is a man on his first foreign trip goes to saudi arabia and praises them for fighting against terrorism in the saudis . The biggest funders of terrorism in the world. 15 of the guys on the airplane, was it 15 or 14 of the 19 on the planes on 9 11 were saudis. Exactly. And so donald look at the\rtweets he does and the things he says. The key thing to understand is Donald Trumps<\/a> presidency is unlike every other because instead of trying to make the country better and some failed and some succeeded at that, donalds presidency is about donald. He wants to you go oh, the great and glorious leader. Thank you, donald. Lets go around the table and see how much we can do to praise the glorious leader. Thats not how you operate in a democratic society. You opened up your book by calling him a nar sissist. People get the wrong idea what that means. They think you think youre good looking. No, you think youre the center of the universal. Thats what it is. Donalds narcissism unlike that of the mythical narcissus has so far done him very well, got him all the way to the white house. What do you think are his deepest values. His Soy Hole Word<\/a> about the poor countries im going to close the show tonight by saying he judges people by the value of the real estate they live in. If you live in a period neighborhood, youre no good. If you live in a hice rice like him, youre a good person. The more money you have, the more he likes you. The less money, the less he represents you. Its literally true. When it has to do with race it, often does. Eric trump just said yesterday that all his father cares about is green, is money. Thats basically. Thats a defense. Thats his defense. Yes, but its also a revelation. And an admission. And donald judges people by the content or presumed content of their wallets. When he was in business how much he could get out of your wallet without pulling his part of business bargains. Who does he rely on. Robert mercer the Hedge Fund Guy<\/a> who helped women with targeting voters perhaps with the help of the russians and mercer says human beings worth is entirely basened on net worth and his cats are worth more than measures because they give him pleasure. Thats the Values Donald<\/a> has. I hope the voters between\r2020 and 2018 in fact, pay attention, them have to google the tax bill he just signed. See what it does to them. Thank you, david cay johnson. Your book is its even worse than you thai, which is really worse. 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A new Quinnipiac Poll<\/a> shows a majority of americans do not agree with the son. 59 think trump does not respect people of color as much as he respects white people. For more, im joined by heidi press bow la, usa today. Eugene scott, political reporter for the Washington Post<\/a> and\rtamron keith, White House Correspondent<\/a> for npr. Let me just ask you the simple question, how is his use of the word he used african countries and haiti, what has that done to the chances of the democrats wanting to sign on to any deal . Heidi . Aside from the language, theres the language itself and theres the erratic behavior of seeming like youre going to accept this deal. You invite them all to your office and trash it. So that basically introduces this element of total unpredictability. They feel like schumer said yesterday they didnt feel like they could deal with him anymore. Then the use of the shole word upset everyone on capitol hill. Now you see many lawmakers trying to work around him on this. And even Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> saying that the president has to tell us what his bottom line is. Even the republicans feeling like they cant read their own leader. Eugene, who wants to fight and who wants to deal . You can usually tell. I dont know if i can tell. Who would like to have a deal by\rfriday night and who would be quite happy to have the fight . I think the democrats want a fight over daca. Thats my hunch. I think they want to stick to what they put out there saying we believe that the plan and ideas we have that weve proposed before trump got into the white house would be the best option for the american people. But i think ultimately, everyone who is up for reelection or who thinks they can lose their seat is who wants to fight. They will be held accountable for this in november if they dont get a deal. Government shutdowns dont happen accidentally. So people have to do it with purpose. Its not clear right now based on what were hearing from the hill whether people really, whether democrats really do want a shutdown or not. I think they do. What is clear is they want to make republicans take the hard vote. Dont they want to see a country where the Hispanic Vote<\/a> which grows every year and will grow our entire lifetime, its the way things in terms of\rpopulation, reproduction it, all adds up to a higher and higher percentage maybe, it will be 20 some day fairly soon. Why wouldnt the democrats want to have a lock on that community by standing up for young people who came here because their parents brought them here and be noticed taking the good fight for them and let trump oppose them . How do they lose . As a party at large, yeah, theyre probably all with you. I think there are some red state democrats who feel like this could be used as a kuj counsel against them at the state level. If youre a joe manchin, claire mccaskill, heidi heitkamp, look what this guy did, he held up Government Funding<\/a> over helping dreamer kids. Theres a segment of their population. Theres steny hoyer who basically said we are united 100 on that. Absolutely. We saw the president express once again little interest in speaking with the black caucus about this deal as a whole. The black caucus to many peoples surprise has a vested interest because daca is not\rlimited to immigrants from mexico an latin american countries. As weve heard. New polling suggests voters are poised to blame republicans if Congress Fails<\/a> to keep the government working. The poll conducted by the democratic leaning firm Hart Research<\/a> associates surveyed voters in a dozen Battleground States<\/a> and found 42 of americans would blame the president and the majority, only 31 would blame democrats. A whopping 81 of the Battleground Voters<\/a> say any agreement should include a deal to prevent the deportation of undocumented dreamers. Heres the thing. Were not talking about all democrats. All you need, you know the makt, is about 10 democrats in the senate to vote for this. And you know, they can kick that can, pump that football, whatever you want to call it. And not deal with daca. Give me ten games. I understand constituency politics. Hispanic people are very\rsensitive, reading the paper, watching the news who is on our side. We saw what happened in california a decade or so ago. Goodbye to the Hispanic Vote<\/a> out there about the Republican Party<\/a> kissed goodbye if you want to be blunt about the Hispanic Vote<\/a>. The latino vote. The round table is sticking with us. Well see what the buzz is in d. C. Whats new for us and whats new pussycat. Youre watching hardball. I was wondering if an Electric Toothbrush<\/a> really cleans better than a manual. 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Well, if republicans needed another wakeup call heading\rinto the 2018 midterms they got one last night in wisconsin. Catch this. Democrats flipped the state senate seat held by republicans for 17 years. Democrat Patty Schachtner<\/a> defeated her opponent by 11 points. Trump carried that same district by 17 points. Thats a turnaround of 28 points since a year ago. Anyway, govern Skos Walker Up<\/a> for reelection this year sounded the alarm last night. Minutes after the race was called he tweeted the Senate District<\/a> 10 Special Election<\/a> win by a democrat is a wakeup call for republicans in wisconsin. He knows his business. Theyre in trouble. Well be right back. Of my parents and my grandparents. I was getting all these leaves and i was going Back Generation<\/a> after generation. You start to see documents and you see signatures of people that youve never met. I mean, you dont know these people, but you feel like you do. You get connected to them. 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Heidi, Tell Me Something<\/a> i dont know. Jeff sessions and the Justice Department<\/a> are requesting that citizenship be one of the questions in the 2020 census. This could have huge ramifications. Theres many people within the Census Department<\/a> concerned this could have a chilling effect\respecially in some of the latino dominated states like california, so significant that this is a state that should pick up seats they could actually lose seats if this goes forward. Go ahead, gene. First Polling Numbers<\/a> back from oprah, trump matchup. Oprah 52, trump 39. Is this adults or registered voters. Its adults and shes leading. I dont know about adults. I want to see likely voters. Give us a nice number. A new npr poll out. As you were talking in your first segment about the president s attack on the media seems to be working especially among republicans. 90 of republicans polled have little or no confidence in the news media. Bless their hearts. Anyway, thank you, heidi, gene, and tamron. When we return, let me finish tonight with trump watch. Youre watching hardball. Ande dog grooming palace. Laura can clean up a retriever that rolled in foxtails, but shes not much on articles of organization. Articles of what . So, she turned to legalzoom. They helped me out. She means we helped with her llc, trademark, and a lot of other legal stuff thats a part of running a business. So laura can get back to the dogs. Would you sit still . This is lauras mobile dog grooming palace and this is where life meets legal. I love you, basement but sometimes you stink. Febreze air effects doesnt just mask, it cleans away odors. Because the things you love can stink. There are two types of people in the world. Those who fear the future. And those who embrace it. The future is for the unafraid. All because of you Keep It Comin<\/a> love. If you keep on eating, well Keep It Comin<\/a>. All you can eat riblets and tenders at applebees. 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My book is Bobby Kennedy<\/a> a raging spirit, now ten weeks on the New York Times<\/a> best seller list. The president we have is donald trump. Close to a year in office but not a step closer to learning his duty to all the people either those who live on a block along fifth avenue nor hold a","publisher":{"@type":"Organization","name":"archive.org","logo":{"@type":"ImageObject","width":"800","height":"600","url":"https:\/\/comparemela.com\/images\/vimarsana-bigimage.jpg"}},"autauthor":{"@type":"Organization"},"author":{"sameAs":"archive.org","name":"archive.org"}}],"coverageEndTime":"20240618T12:35:10+00:00"}