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maricopa county, arizona >> all right, good morning, welcome to the cross connection, i am tiffany cross. as you heard right now, house speaker nancy pelosi's husband was attacked yesterday. a 42-year-old man broke into those tight offices go home, hit paul pelosi in the head with the hammer multiple times, that's according to law enforcement, and the man says he is going to tie him up and quote, until nancy got home. that poured is quoted to a pelosi family member. thankfully she said paul pelosi is expected to make a full recovery, this is after he has to undergo surgery to repair is gold fracture. we don't know the precise motive at the law enforcement, they say he is still investigating, with officials saying that the suspects social media posts shows a quote, mixed ideology of both anti establishment, and more recently, far-right extremist ideas. the attacker does come amid but capital police say the huge spike in threats against members of congress. this is where we are. as we get closer to the midterms, the fear of more violence is high. get this, and new york city, the police department is warning of extremist attacking political events or voting sites, and the nypd is advising evangelists. it is a nationwide fear because according to -- epstein by abc and cbs news, the department of homeland security is warning of a heightened threat from domestic violent extremists. nbc has not obtain the bulletin, while on arizona authorities say armed vigilantes, as you see right there on your screen, they haven't seen hovering near ballot drop boxes. it's a practice that if federal judge refused to talk on friday, so the actions did not appear to constitute quote a true threat. all right, let's get into this, joining us now is damon hewitt, president and executive director of their lawyers community for civil rights under a law. joining us remotely is doctor merrill southerners a former fbi special agent and a professor of the practiced in national and homeland security at usc. very happy to have both you gentlemen with us. dr. southern, i want to start with you. given what we are seeing and what we know about this person who was attacking and as a pelosi's home, how worried should be all be about political violence, especially as we get closer to the midterms. what do you assess of this person who attacked pelosi in her home? >> thank you, tiffany. we should be very concerned about this. we have seen the rise in violence or calls for violin since the last election in june, as we mentioned, dhs issued a warning stating that this would increase. while we don't know the exact motive here, you mentioned there might be a hybrid, the hybrid of motive that we have seen being exhibited by a lot of people who may have been attacked, it nothing more than them looking at a menu of a whole collection of extremist ideology from race, religion, or issue orientation such an anti government, anti muslim. they pick what they want off of the menu and act. we should be concerned about this, we will see heightened security of our electives going forward, and heightened security of the polling places as well. >> this kind of violent statement is certainly not new. we were talking about the political violence, you know? it's just violence. people don't always take it seriously. i want to play a soundbite from the january 6th commission when we saw the woman, the two black women talking about how their lives were on the endangered and coworkers. i will play the first soundbite with a coworker, saying she was afraid and finding friends to help. or take a listen, we will talk about it on the other side. >> a lot of threats, wishing death upon me. telling me that i will be in jail with my mother, saying things like be glad it is 2020 and not 1920. >> that is terrifying from a woman that was standing on the front lines of democracy trying to do her duty as a citizen, given a things like that and what we know about this person who attacked nancy pelosi's has been. i'm curious to hear your thoughts, your assessment of this. >> thank you, tiffany, i agree with her guest. they are calling a political violence, as if it's somehow partisan. that's not really what is happening. what is happening is there is a through line to apparently what has happened here to nancy pelosi's has been, so what happened during the january 6th insurrection. what happened touché freeman, and also during the buffalo massacre, where black people were murdered for going to the shop to get groceries. this is driven by white supremacist ideology. that's why you see these post talking about antisemitism, but also the obsession with thinking that american is somehow anti white. what we see is that the anti black theory, the white supremacy ideology is driving people to violence. it's stirring people up and allowing the private biases to come out and to be weaponize, we see law enforcement has not been fully successful in stopping it. >> yeah, the thing is, there is an effort to normalize this kind of behavior and to make trump or steal at home and prioritize their feelings, but when a result in violence i don't think there is space for that. separating the gop from the extremist, it seem like they converged, dr. southern, i want you to listen to the republican governor glenn youngkin of virginia and what he had to say, not long after, just hours after nancy pelosi has been was attacked and hit in the head by a hammer, this was his remark, take a listen. >> speaker pelosi has been had a break-in last night in their house, he was assaulted, there is no room for violence anywhere, we will send her back to be with him in california. >> it's just not an appropriate remark to make, it's almost, you know, comes really close to there are good people on both sides. when you have elected officials were not as appalled as the rest of us who have some sort of humanity the house speaker, what does that say about where we are in our politics when someone like that, a governor of a state is, you know, being tongue-in-cheek about this vicious attack? >> well, you are absolutely correct, we normalize the violence and normalize the antisemitism and all the other extremist hate that is going on in america. when unelected fischel said something like this, and i understand his office came out to state that he was not making fun of it, but dangerously close to at least joking about it, and certainly inappropriate. now we see electives across the country that embrace this rhetoric. they understand it moves the base. moves the needle on the voter. they will continue to do this because it's a strategy that is working for them, unfortunately, and they are being somewhat successful with it. >> that is the thing. look, the biggest point is, we do have to get on with the business of the american people. the bottom line is there are elections happening november 8th, when you see the division vigilantes with masks and guns in front of polling places, it has the intention to depress and intimidate voters. because you lead the employer committee for civil rights, which people do? if you show up to a polling place, there is intimidation, if it looks like potential violence, if someone looks likely or threatening you, or your voters challenges, what are some resources? >> first and foremost, stay safe. we don't want people to play hero. our instinct is to protect our onekama t, but don't don't play hero. stay safe. we want people to call the hotline 866 our vote, powered by the warriors committee. call the hotline, we documenting these ancient instances in the country, they are putting a fire under doj, a fire under local officials to act on this. also, look, sometimes the only course you have to call the police. we don't like to do that, but sometimes, that's what you have to do, call 9-1-1 if it's actually an emergency. make sure you stay safe. also, don't let anybody deter you from casting your ballot. what that means is make a plan. if you don't feel safe at that time, make a plan to come back later and vote through another means. that is exactly what they want. they want us not to vote. they want that. >> yeah. one more time, that number. >> 866 our vote. >> 866 our vote. >> got it, 866, our vote. we have a lot to talk about. thank you so much, dr., for making time on the saturday. we have a jam-packed show coming up. a lot of news happen this week. we will get to it all. coming up we will talk about herschel walker facing another abortion allegation. he still has the support of the -- no surprise there. what one republican says you don't want to miss it. that is coming up after the break, you don't want to miss this. break, you don't want to mis this this passing through their uk port every year. don't just connect your business. right on time. make it even smarter. we call this enterprise intelligence. when you can't sleep... try zzzquil pure zzzs gummies. from the world's #1 sleep aid brand. its special formula helps you fall asleep naturally with an optimal dose of melatonin. so you can wake up refreshed. for better sleep, like never before. ♪♪ subway's drafting 12 new subs for the all-new subway series menu the new monster has juicy steak and crispy bacon. but what about the new boss? 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♪ what will you change? ♪ will you make something better? ♪ will you create something entirely new? ♪ our dell technologies advisors provide you with the tools and expertise you need to do incredible things. because we believe there's an innovator in all of us. >> what is it about this guy? he changes the entire narrative of the left. we are apart every cysts, shawn, you are in the are racist. the republican party is racist. what happens when the republican party elects, and nominates herschel walker, an african american and black heisman trophy winner, right? olympian, it destroys the whole narrative. they are scared to death of herschel walker. if herschel walker becomes a republican, maybe every other young child in america of color might want to be a republican. >> okay, lindsey graham, you have 99 problems, my friend. that is not one of them. run young people are becoming republicans. listen, republicans are rallying behind herschel walker, with ten days but go to go behind the midterms, and more than 1 million votes already cast. now, the gop support comes after a nether woman has come forward to allege she had an abortion in 1993 after walker pressured her to do so. during the press conference, the woman provided what she said was evidence of a relationship with walker, but she did not have specific evidence of the abortion. walker has denied her allegation, and one from another woman as well. joining me now to get into all of this is my friend erin him, editor at large for the 19th an msnbc political and analyst, and a georgia native. i'm greg bluestein, a political reporter for the -- grid is also the author of flint, how georgia turned purple and broke the monopoly on republican power. greg, i want to start this with you, you are on the ground covering this, the first abortion allegation did not seem to make a different to gop voters. now there is another one coming out. how many abortions are acceptable to republicans who report to be the party of pro-life and the party of family values? >> yeah, the question is, will this move the needle? as one republican official texted me, if the first abortion allegation did not happen, why would the second? we have seen the dynamic play out over and over. a number of republicans, they don't believe the allegations that all. even those that do, they say that senate control to them is the paramount concern, as one republican congressional nominee said at a rally with herschel walker in the atlanta excerpts, he said the one thing that matters to me when it comes the next u.s. senator in georgia as he votes right. but again, put in a nutshell, even some of the skeptical herschel walker supporters, that's how they view the race as a vote for republican to control the u.s. senate. >> that's a striking but not so surprising. tequila is in. the second woman who come out and alleged that herschel walker paid for her abortion, she is anonymous. listen to gene dough talk about her experience, take a listen. >> i am a registered independent, and i voted for donald trump in those election. i do not believe that herschel is morally fit to be a u.s. senator. >> you know, erin, you put aside the hypoxia of all of this, and gop voters, i want to talk about democrats. we really have not seen senator warnock go after walker. we have not seen a lot of democrats go after herschel walker on this. is that an effective strategy? i think it is a polite chitchat that we have, publicly, there is a completely separate conversation that happens privately around this. maybe that conversation and level of fitness to be made public, what do you say? >> yeah, you talk about hypocrisy, i think that is why you have the anonymous accuser saying for those who would suggest that this is a political allegation that is coming out now at this time with ten days ago before the election, she is saying no, i voted for donald trump. this is about her feeling like herschel walker for the office based off of the value that he claims to have and his actions that she is alleging. look, so it's only, i think there were a lot of democrats that thought, even if they would stay above the bridge on the campaign trail, there was a missed opportunity on that debate stage for him to bring up the first abortion allegation, which she really dominating the headlines going into the debate, only to really be about 30 seconds of conversation when they were actually face to face on the stage together. there is not going to be another debate as far as we know, between now and election. there is not going to be another opportunity like that. really you do wonder, with this being such a tight race and being in the headlines, give this the opportunity for senator warnock or other democrats to respond to the second allegation, you have former president barack obama on the ground, what we have nothing to say i vote the allegations are, you know, herschel walker. the pretty interesting and telling that you don't really have these top surrogates or candidates themselves continuing to kind of avoid this topic. >> it's really surprising as a debate, every answer could have been july about having an abortion, lied about a law enforcement agency. barack obama had more frightened him than warnock at times. stay tuned to the viewers, we will talk about obama had in the campaign trail in georgia, that will be coming up in the next segment. greg, i want to shift to you because, i just wonder, is anyone in georgia at this point? it feels like, you know, at this point, people know, it's a gop game, then out the vote game. right now, with early voting, what are the early numbers going? >> 1.2 million-plus viewers already voted in georgia. democrats, republicans are bringing to leaves they're encouraged by the result when you talk about undecided voters, look at the governor's race, there was not very undecided voters, just a sliver. but the senate race, there is a significant number of undecided voters in four, five, 6% in some of the polls. those are the voters who tend to be republican-leaning voters, they may be supporting governor kemp, but still cannot stunning voting for herschel walker. that could be the difference between an outright win for either one of the candidates, or runoff in december, because you are seeing senator warnock continue to appeal to those voters. steering clear of joe biden, talking about bipartisan work, also forced energizing the party base, that is what he is doing, he is aiming for the skeptical republican voters who were undecided, on the fence about herschel walker. >> i think that is going to be key, we will see if it's a split to get there between stacey abrams and senator warnock. i wanted to stick with you very quickly, greg, there is also new this week out of georgia, as you know, former white house chief of staff mark meadows was ordered to testify before the special grand jury, that is investigating trump's interference with the 2020 election. i wonder if that will have any impact on the voters in georgia. >> you know, the investigations had taken a pause until after the midterm election, it has not dominated any of the campaign trail, but it's so important for the ethan vest again because mark meadows is on the famous phone call between donald trump and brad roethlisberger, the secretary of the u.s., he was deeply involved in overturning the georgia election results. any surprise visit to georgia to observe election workers auditing absentee ballot request forms. i understand why prosecutors and investigators want mark meadows to testify. he played such an interesting role on all of the development of donald trump. >> yeah, greg, you have to come back, i want to have more conversations with you about georgia and what truly makes it a battleground state. it is definitely at this point. we will glad to have you back soon. maybe next weekend before the midterms, or after, don't make a lot of planned on saturday, my friend, and then obama, we will talk more about where this midterm season is heading. as we see who is back. because donald trump is back. we will see how donald trump shakes things up on election campaign trail. just days before midterms as a bomb is also out on the campaign trail. that is coming up with the next connection on the cross connection. don't go anywhere. n the cros connection don't go anywhere. don't go anywhere. the virus that causes shingles is sleeping... in 99% of people over 50. it's lying dormant, waiting... and could reactivate. shingles strikes as a painful, blistering rash that can last for weeks. and it could wake at any time. think you're not at risk for shingles? 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where is the immigration reform? even recently with president biden's marijuana executive order i applied that he went there, but he exempted people that were convicted, and if they were convicted while they were undocumented. >> i have seen recently republican parties really party that target looking a voters, even a lot was disinformation, what do you make of aoc's comments here? >> i have to say, aoc is right on the money right now. not just about policy, but an actual outreach. we are bringing on the alarm because everyone in the media talking about pennsylvania, and everyone is talking about georgia. nevada's races in georgia, where the majority of voters in nevada are latino. it's not that they are defecting and going to the republican party, it's that they might stay home. it's not my job saying this, if you look at the returns as of tuesday where the latina vote compared to 2018. the returns are close to a third of what it was in 2018. oftentimes, they are not getting a phone call the work we are doing, we target low propensity voters, if you voted five times in the life, we will get a call from a candidate. that is 60% of latino voters, tiffany, are under the age of 33. by default, they may not get a call because they have not voted in every election because they are too young to have a history of voting. we really encourage individuals are paying attention to pay investments over, you know, not just two days out but over the course of the elections. just more importantly, we are expecting more people to start participating now. we encourage people to have those calls, make sure we are knocking on those doors, there is no reason to leave voters behind. on the issue of policy, she is 100% correct. 16 million latinos having mixed status household. and while you look at the top three issues for young latinos, for the majority of latino voters, it inflation, abortion, and immigration. they are part of that 60 million cohort that one of the love those are undocumented, they have been here for the most, probably 20 or 30 years. >> wow. aaron, give me some pretty great points. i'm curious to hear from you, erin, we have seen the former president sitting the campaign trail. who do you think will have the bigger impacts on the campaign? donald trump or president barack obama? >> that's certainly a good question, both of them are hugely popular with their base voters. these are people who definitely galvanize, electrify, mobilize their base to come out and vote. as early voting underway. you have trump in the key states including iowa, pennsylvania, ohio under the next week or so. we know trump is paying special attention to pennsylvania, where he is raising the idea of voter fraud. we have -- letting at the polls against josh shapiro. ohio's -- former president trump in the 2020 and 2016, he will try to shore up that. we have obama going to somewhere like georgia, where you already have record early voting turnout, this is somebody who was popular with latinos and you have black and white voters really over performing in a state like georgia and early voting. latino voters, asian voters, not over performing so far in a place like georgia. does barack obama go to a place like that? and maybe boost those numbers as well? it's unclear. people are galvanized and energize the it and clear what party maybe more galvanize an energized. we do know women older voters are the larger democratic group that are heading to the polls. which one of those candidates will continue to energize people like that in the middle of the coalition, that will get their respective candidate over the finish line. >> that's the question, there is a hot mic moment earlier this year with chuck schumer talking about joe biden, expressing his concern about georgia. but not pennsylvania. some polling shows that doctor oz is up three points, aaron, because you live in philly, i want to stick with you on this, i want to play you some sound with doctor oz, what he said on the debate stage, then we will talk about it on the other side. >> at the position, i have been in the room with some difficult conversations happening, i don't want the federal government involved with that. i want women, doctors, local political leaders leading the democracy that allowed our nation to thrive and put the best ideas forward so states can decide for themselves. >> i mean, you heard him say woman, doctor, and politicians making the decisions. are you concerned, and what you anticipate happening in pennsylvania? >> the local leaders definitely something that perked up a lot of years for those who listened in the media, and for a lot of voters wondering, what does that mean? does that mean the mayor? does that mean not the city council person? who could potentially be in that room with me as i'm making that decision. look, i think the point is, this is why we have to be talking about the reality with are not really single issue voters, even if abortion is not the top issue for voters, it is absolutely a priority, we know women are among the folks in record numbers heading into these midterms. that certainly is the case in pennsylvania. on the other side of that. on the other side, i spoke with my call of the 19th, the vice president was on the ground in pennsylvania, she and president biden were on the ground for a pennsylvania democratic bid. it's women of color that making that connection between freedom democracy and reproductive rights. that is a winning -- that is folks like that who really help them to, you know, get those victories. >> we are running out of time. i will give you the last word because vice president kamala harris is also on the campaign trail. i'm curious your thoughts. we are we overtime, the curious your thoughts on the impact she might have. >> i think she has an incredible impact what she is talking about women, black voters, and latinos. and asians because of her story, and her power. i happen to be at the vice president's office earlier this week, one of the things that is really striking is that when she goes to start talking about democracy, and how we need to vote because democracy is on the ballot, people cheer, they recognize the power of her experience in being the former ag of california, at the second largest law enforcement in the country. when she speaks about those issues, it really resonates. she knows how to bring it home because of her ex personal life experience, coming from the roots of the immigrant family, but also because she has been in the position having to make those decisions when it comes to -- >> thank you so much. coming up later, bringing out black voters. what impact would president obama have on the campaign trail. you want to stay tuned for that. i will play sound on what he had on the campaign trail in florida. plus, the situation for wnba star brittney griner, they denied the appeal of a nine-year jail sentence. what we know, coming up after this. e. what we know, coming up afte this discomfort back there? 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now i don't relax my hair. to me, maybe an out of touch. i feel like relaxes are kind of antiquated, because there's so many other things you could do. you could choose to wear your hair straight in. are there so many other things you could do. >> like you said earlier, it's all about variety. and versatility. you have options. you don't have to use chemicals, and those chemicals are harsh, right? i don't want to shame anybody for using relaxes or anything like that, but the studies have been going on for a while now. now that it's somewhat linked to uterine cancer, you know there's options where you don't have to use those harsh chemicals to straighten your hair. i've always told people, heat those to the hair the same thing that chemicals due to the hair, just over time. so, if you really wanted to wear your hair straight, you could heat style your hair at a higher temperature and still safely keep your hair on your head, but -- >> will it survive the humidity? sometimes, i will straighten my hair, and i'll go outside and sudden, it's a brilliant pad. >> there is that. we especially in d.c., it's very humid there, and in humid climates, it would refer to little bits. there's products and stuff for that. there is dehumidifier oddest that will keep it -- and i strongly suggest steep humans, because they help your hair so much and humid climates. >> so much of the south -- my hall, my friend, you style the hair on her show. but it's such a thing with our hair, because with our for efforts lotus michelle obama, some of the most iconic looks, you are the person behind the hair. recently, when we saw the unveiling of her portrait, and she had her hair in a braid, and that was such a big -- i don't think people understand what black women go through with our hair, and to see the first lady with her hair in braids was such an homage, i think, to us. and something else we talked about. when you walk into a makeup room, as a woman who appears on camera, and you walk into a makeup room and the person is looking at you, terrified, because they're looking at your hair and like, i don't know what to do with it! i hope everyone read your book, because i speak to that. >> exactly. the thing about it is, with the first lady, i do feel like that is where the natural hair community -- when she was in office. you have a woman of her complexion, her statue, and her hair complexion, although i blew dry it straight, i blow dried it straight, it still was natural. we stopped with will relax or is the first year. it's important to understand you could do so many things with a hair. and with this book, natural and curly hair for dummies, i address all of that. i tell people the proper hair texture, i even talk about hair biology. i give into the follicle and how the health is. but more importantly, i celebrate our girls in this book. a lot of times, even when i was doing my research for the book, it was always like, it's hard. it's difficult. it can be a challenge, but it's not hard and difficult, right? with the proper education, you can have beautiful dresses, you've got beautiful curls, and your hair to be healthy. >> something else, i want to get through quick things that people do a lot. i wonder if it's healthy for our hair. real quick, lace fronts. good or bad for your hair? >> they can be good if they're done properly. you want to make sure it's not on the hairlines, the cars that will take it out, but they are totally fine. >> for our viewers who may not totally be familiar, laced fronts are wigs. >> they look like -- >> they are your hair. >> to style them well, it's like it's coming out of yourself. >> our brains good or bad? >> rates are great. if it's too tight, you will damage the follicle and called traction or alopecia. so, make sure braid stylist is not making the braids way too tight. i talk about that in the book. >> not least braids are a big thing. >> not least braids are a big thing, but again, if it's too tight, you will cause traction alopecia, and they can cause permanent hair loss. >> what about? we've >> weaves are great. there's so many different ways to do weaves. you can clue them in, clip them, i suggest clip because it's very easy, and it doesn't damage the hair at all. you can sew it in. a traditional so in it's kind of like going on the wayside a little bit, because everybody's been doing wigs, and wigs have become the new relax or. >> i agree, yeah. >> wigs are totally fine. again, if you do it so the braids cannot be too site. you should change it to every 4 to 6 weeks, not three months. it gets heavy and york weight on your head. >> that's true. because saturday, and we're out of time, but because a saturday, for all the people watching our show in the hair salon this morning, all the hairstylist might be tuning in, please stop overbooking your appointments. we do not have a hours to spend in the salon on saturday, please don't book it. >> that's true. i'm not in the salon and the -- more >> that's true! i'm seeing you -- >> everybody's trying to get there going, i get it. >> i get. it you do a beautiful job on tamarind. all those black women in media, she's our queen, so we love to see what she wears. >> we love to see a black woman with short hair doing her thing. >> we've been friends a long time. >> long time. >> thank you so much, johnny. we're way. overtime thanks to johnny right. we'll have the latest on the attacks on nancy pelosi's husband, plus former president barack obama hits the campaign trail, just ten days to go before midterms. and affirmative action in education. the supreme court it's about to take up that case on monday. so, it will get into all of, that right after the break. much more coming up in the next hour. we'll stay with us. with us ♪ what will you do? 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[applause] >> all right, joining me now, dr. jason johnson, msnbc -- contributor. and cliff albright, the cofounder of black voters matter fund. very happy to have you guys with us. jason, since i had to beg you to make time with us this morning, i will start off with you. and what this means for black voters. first of all, you when i talk about this all the time, the conversation around black voters. in the articles that is within, there is an emphasis on black men. first, i'm curious about your thoughts on if the concern about low turnout among black voters illegitimate. in the early numbers in georgia, it does not seem to be a problem. >> no, it doesn't, tiffany, it's a narrative that is created sometimes maliciously, sometimes out of ignorance, sometimes out of mid. maliciously, it's from the national democrat to gain things out, advance, and find someone to blame. it's blackmon's fault of these people were unsuccessful. sometimes, it's rumor, it's a myth. because trump did well with some black man in 2016. here are the facts on the ground if you look at georgia, look at early voting, african american men turned out a higher rate than the 2018 and 2020. it is clearly not an issue in georgia. i want to make that clear to everybody. black men are voting for stacey abrams. we can and ended that mitt on twitter. i think the larger issue is the responsibility of democratic or left-leaning organizations to talk to all constituents, on a regular basis more than six weeks before the election. you have to both of these relationships. as you have seen, there may be higher turnout in georgia, we are seeing it in columbus ohio, dayton, cleveland the number of majority black district are way down. way, way down. that would be very difficult for jim right to be j.d. vance. maybe people are showing up on election day, you have to be out there on a regular basis knocking on doors, you can't use tweets, you can't use commercials, you have to communicate with people and get them to go out a vote. there are facing a voter suppression. >> that is the thing, you bring up ohio, the difference there of course, none of the people on the ballot would clear the constituents there. when some of those candidates, look, they are trying to win, they are trying to make it with all kind of voters. when you try to make an inroads with people who call themselves the swing voters, people have empathy or sympathy towards the maga crowd, and the candidate is talking their language saying, hey, i'm here to appease you. they talk to black voters, and they say i will do this, just cast of this loud. that can also oppress the african american votes. i have a hard time putting the onus on black folks, when the landscape is not necessarily ask you to prioritize our interest. cliff, i'm curious your thoughts, what do you make of the landscape? are you concerned about the turnout of black voters? >> to hey, tiffany, let me first doubled down and talk about what jason said about georgia, black men in georgia, we were in a whole twitter exchange from one of the major news statements in the state of georgia who was trying to downplay a black male turnout. we have to point out to him that the way he was framing it in a way that was designed to drop the narrative that black men were coming out with all of the numbers suggesting otherwise, in fact, the biggest increase in turnout that we have seen from 18 and 20, up until this year, the biggest increase and black women, white men, white women the biggest increases black man. i want to agree with what jason pointed out. also bring up, two point on one segment. the other piece he said is, you have to have those conversations. they are bringing the conversations, not as many conversations happening in ohio. by the way, i'm in texas right now, i will be in columbus, ohio. it as they just mentioned. we won't block a down tour. there are not as many conversations happening in the black community in ohio because there has not been as much investment and support compared to what you have seen some places like georgia. people have to understand, what we saw happen in georgia two years ago does not happen by magic, it happens for organizing, which in turn, takes investment. we have not seen investment in ohio, in fact, we have seen a divestment from reaching out to black communities in places like ohio, including in florida, even in north carolina, even though you have an incredibly tight race there. but you have people have written off those candidates, and therefore written off talking to black voters. the turnout as they're in places where there is the support to do the organizing, but when the party and progressive funders, or others don't invest in local infrastructure, credible messengers, then you can't see the turnout that we need to see. it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. >> i have to say, guys, watching president obama speak, i felt nostalgic, you know? take a look at the landscape now, watching him take that podium again. that's kind of the problem, right? a lot of people want them, for them, president obama was the floor, not the ceiling. for people grew up seeing him. they may not appreciate what a special moment in time that was. does he still have the same appeal to the voting elective? he certainly does with me. also, jason, vice president kamala harris is also there. does she have any appeal with black voters? what do you say? >> i mean, of course obama does. of course obama's, he brings up next, algebra that pick statement, he is engaging. 7000 people showed up to that rally in georgia in front of 7000 people, that is not a small number. i'll tell you this, tiffany, i'm a professor at morgan state university. i was talking to my students earlier this week, i have a large number of students, i'm not critical of them, but i have a large number of students who are not yet registered to vote. fortunately, we are in the state of maryland, right? the state of maryland, it's easy to early register, you go downtown. but what is said to me is that even in a really blue state, where you have a black man who is likely to be elected governor, nobody had reached out to my students yet. nobody had made that a reality for them to get register to vote. i'm going to get it handled, that means a local democratic party, organizers, activists did not do. it is bigger than just rallies. it's bigger than just having celebrities coming an interview you. we have to do with a day in and day out. i'm saying this because my students are too young to care about obama, they were born in 2003, he does not make them exciting. you have to do something else to keep the younger voters engaged. >> what do you think? like i said, vice president kamala harris is on the trail, is she in that same enthusiasm against black voters? >> yeah, obviously there is a certain amount of enthusiasm that president obama will have, people love to come out, i would love to hear the speech. i think the analysis of walker flying a plane was spot on, right? here is the deal. that can't be a replacement for doing a hard work of organizing our communities, talking to voters, knocking on those doors, having those conversations. you can't use someone like obama, kamala harris as our madrid negro. that will help pull out all of the black voters, right? president obama cannot be the aggregate. it takes work, it takes investment, and it takes supporting everything on the ground doing. that that it's as though he is not effective. he is. it takes more than that, any individual to be a surrogate to hold a rally, to do that deed. especially folks that are not already engaged in the process. before we go, i want to play very quickly this obama advocacy, because this story maybe think about the ad that obama days, trying to talk to young people, but i feel like a talks to us. take a listen. >> for those of you who are just turning 18 and were only three or four when i was elected, my name is barack obama. i was the 44th president of the united states, and i have the best jump shot and white house history. [noise] >> i've heard a lot recently about how voting doesn't solve everything, and i can see what you might think that. it won't make outer banks or euphoria season three or rihanna's new album drop any faster. it won't make -- any less cool. wait, gifts aren't cool anymore? it will help you understand the most complicated questions in the universe, like why do i so much about pete davidson's dating life? >> i thought it was a very clever ad, i thought it was scary, and let me tell you who was shutting down. the forever flotus. she had that campaign trail, because the republicans -- it's a like they know better. there's a line drawn where it's like, we do not go after michelle obama ever, because we will arauza folks who gives the ultimate clap back. chase, unwanted to think about the ad? >> [laughs] it's funny. i actually was planning on targets my students in that week. it's great that humor. it probably works for people our age a little bit older. i'm telling you, my 19 year olds who were 12, 13 years old when obama left office, he is important to them, but he is not a motivator. and when he was talking, he sounds like your dad. if you're trying to get people who are first-time voters who don't necessarily have the fear of trump, who don't necessarily have barack obama burrowed into their brain that's the most important person, you have to make them aware, especially in these sort of blue and purple states of hey, your rights might be taken away, even if you have a democratic governor. student loans really matter a lot to my students. those are the kinds of issues you have to focus on. abstract concepts like saving democracy is not going to motivate them as much as what's going to happen in my pocketbook, and what's going to happen to my body. >> fair enough. fair enough. we will pick up this conversation on our ip live after the show. thank you so much for obligingly and coming on the show this week. i greatly appreciate it. and thank you for always, cliff albright, not only for what you do for democracy, but for joining us this saturday morning. coming up to you folks at home, affirmative action in college admissions enough supreme court case that could change everything. you don't want to miss this. we want to get into that after the break, stay tuned. ned. will you make something better? create something new? our dell technologies advisors can provide you with the tools and expertise you need to bring out the innovator in you. detect this: living with hiv, i learned i can stay undetectable with fewer medicines. that's why i switched to dovato. dovato is for some adults who are starting hiv-1 treatment or replacing their current hiv-1 regimen. detect this: no other complete hiv pill uses fewer medicines to help keep you undetectable than dovato. detect this: most hiv pills contain 3 or 4 medicines. dovato is as effective with just 2. research shows people who take hiv treatment as prescribed and get to and stay undetectable can no longer transmit hiv through sex. don't take dovato if you're allergic to its ingredients, or if you take dofetilide. taking dovato with dofetilide can cause serious or life-threatening side effects. hepatitis b can become harder to treat while on dovato. don't stop dovato without talking to your doctor, as your hepatitis b may worsen or become life-threatening. serious or life-threatening side effects can occur, including allergic reactions, lactic acid buildup, and liver problems. if you have a rash or other allergic reaction symptoms, stop dovato and get medical help right away. tell your doctor if you have kidney or liver problems, or if you are, may be, or plan to be pregnant. dovato may harm your unborn baby. use effective birth control while on dovato. do not breastfeed while taking dovato. most common side effects are headache, nausea, diarrhea, trouble sleeping, tiredness, and anxiety. detect this: i stay undetectable with fewer medicines. ask your doctor about switching to dovato. it's the subway series menu. 12 irresistible subs. the most epic sandwich roster ever created. ♪♪ it's subway's biggest refresh yet! 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and also, if you can, because the newest justice, justice ketanji brown jackson, is recusing herself from the harvard case. talk us through. that >> i can tell you how the court should rule. the supreme court has upheld affirmative action programs and higher education for four decades. based on the law, based on precedent, based on the facts here, there's no question that the courts should uphold these programs. but we don't have the same court we had just a few years ago, that upheld affirmative action and higher education. we now have a 6 to 3 superconservative, super majority on the court. and i think we just saw it. we saw with overturning roe v. wade, making it harder to address climate change, gun violence prevention, the supreme court has no problem, this supreme court has no problem throwing out precedent and ruling in a really partisan, political way. so, i think the future of affirmative action and higher education is really at risk on monday. >> and just to be clear, edward bloom is a right wing activist. so, there's a lot of talk in the communities like oh, the asian american pacific islander community doesn't want affirmative action. that's not true. it's overwhelmingly supported by data from the community. >> absolutely. i'm in his attempt, he did not come to the asian american community and say, what are the pressing issue excuse for you? he has been on a decades long crusade to try to stop affirmative action, and he even said, i finally answered asian americans. he is trying to use us as a wedge. to show some kind of division across communities of color, when, in fact, some of the best polling of the asian american communities show that 69% from asian americans support affirmative action in higher education, and that is the voice or the community where i think you are starting to see through -- protests, through showing up that really, i hope, will come out that we are not going to allow ourselves to be used as a wedge to advance white supremacy and takedown affirmative action. >> white supremacy weaponize its communities of color against each other, even when it's not true. damon, your group is arguing before the courts. got any predictions that you can do on monday? because as a lay person who doesn't practice law, it does not look good for affirmative action. >> look, we know the deck is stacked against us, but we have been telling us we are going to lose four of 20 years. fisher, one fish or two every time. with number one, we have to believe we can win. but in terms of the legal issues at play here, we know that the other side can't win by arguing that, especially complying with the existing law. with the dogs, play dollars is jackson, they want to actually convince at least five justices to overturn the precedent altogether. there has to be something that comes into play about the legitimacy of the court. how many times does this court, that is currently comprise, continue to overturn a law. we also have to look at the context. the very purposes of the amendment. people in this group say that equal protection clause color blond, that is not the case, the protection clause is racial conscience. we know the 13th, 14th, 15th amendment came to us after the civil war. the reconstruction amendments because of black people being murdered, being killed, being harassed, being exterminated against. is -- we know race matters and the daily lives, why should it matter in the missions? it matters when you go and get a job, it matters when you are interacting with the police, it matters all the time. why shouldn't it matter in admissions and the holistic an inclusive way rather than away it is designed? >> i'm curious, because why is it affirmative action with people in color? but legacy admissions are something that, you know, get welcomed really by some of the universities. i want to hear from both of you on that. >> not just legacy admissions, but also normative criteria, like test scores, we know that tests, not only did a privilege family income and what you have, you they also literally under predict talent and merit among students of color. schools that the prompt themselves of the whole swath of talented students of color. >> the biggest beneficiary of affirmative action, white women. >> i'm curious your thoughts on legacy admissions. >> yeah, again, if edward bloom is looking at ways that might help or have an impact on asian americans, the fact that so many american asian americans are immigrants have the possibility might be something to look at. remember, this is also the guy that brought us -- it chopped in a chunk of the voting rights act. this is part of a broader white supremacy's agenda that they are trying to bring for us, and now they can because they rested control of the supreme court. nothing has changed over the last 40 years. it's just the fact that the justice is doing that. >> i know we try to be optimistic, but we charred to have a serious optimization, what happened should the court struck down affirmative action. with that means for higher education, i want to -- u.n.c. did not administer the first black students until 1951. that was under court order. it took until 1950 54 to eliminate the segregation policy and admit black graduates. now they account for 8% of the graduates there. with black man just 2% of the 2021 first year class. although black residents account for 22% of the states population. clearly, affirmative action matters. what is the impact it will have? >> look, we will look to california and michigan. the schools i would say out there say they are doing a good job, we are painting a good picture. they're doing everything they can with the so-called risk criteria. what you will see is a precipitous decline for two reasons, number one, the normative criteria will exclude black and brown students, but also, what black and brown students want to go to the schools, right? you are the only one in the classroom. the schools, but they are going to have to do is double down on letting go of the so-called normative criteria. and actually be mission driven. if you're a state flagships school, or so-called a private school, then you have to vacate your admission to -- them if you have to let go of the criteria that unofficially exclude students. >> i think that is important for the future of affirmative action. we have to think about the future of this court. the court is the cause of the problem, we need to think on solutions that will solve. that that we look at the reform of the court, as the middle, saying legitimacy of the supreme court is on the line. it's been going up dramatically over the past six months. we have to get to the core problem as well. >> arguing before the court on monday, i would offer the advice that i black women once offered justin brown jackson, that persevere, my friend. we will keep an eye on this, love to have you back after the ruling comes. thank you so much for chris hayne and david hewitt for important conversation. coming, up the influence of at the knee -- we will celebrate -- the power 100 ahead tonight awards here ammonia. keep right here, we are coming up next. right here, we are coming up next. up next. wrinkle guard penetrates deep into fibers, leaving clothes so soft, wrinkles don't want to stick around. make mornings smoother with downy wrinkle guard fabric softener. ♪ what will you do? 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are you guys print? what's going on as of right now? >> yeah, so, first up, thanks for having me. super excited. this is, as you said, a huge win for us. but the current status of the magazine is that we are prints only, sorry, we are digital only. we aren't printing monthly, however, we did release a commemorative issue at the top of the year that was a special partnership, but right, now we're really focused on being digital first. we've been in talks about possibly doing some more commemorative issues and things like that for next year. but right now, or digital only. >> all right. so, when your digital only with, you know, most people traffic on digital spaces. what is the role of ebony magazine? we've had conversations about black voters and issues relevant to black people. what is the role that ebony magazine, when it comes to politics, how do you center black voices and do you focus on politics and policy impacting the community? >> yes, i think that has always been at the core of who we are at ebony. this has always been a brand. it's always been about telling our stories and galvanizing this audience. so, we still are very much politically focused. obviously, we are going -- we have midterms around the corner. the fact we are digital first gives us a great way to be able to connect with our audiences fiesta a media and various platforms there. and we are continuing to do that throughout this time as well. >> i want to get into ebony power 100. this happened last year. i saw all the beautiful pictures last year, and you have a really impressive dynamic list this year round. what is the purpose of the ebony power 100 gala? >> yes, first off, congratulations for being named to our list as well. >> thank you. >> you are part of this year's 100. >> i will be there. i look forward to joining our 100. where thousands of miles apart now, but as soon as i get off that, i will be headed your way. i will be there tonight. >> can't wait to see you. but, yeah. this is our temple events that started back in 1971, the list started as the most influential african americans list, and we are honored to continue the list for so many years. that inaugural or glass had bundle in poor accent ashlyn davis and thurgood marshall. so, as we look at what that looks like this year, we are introducing new categories, definitely leaning into a younger audience. but also celebrating our trail blazers. people like spike lee, our icon of the year. wanda cooper jones and -- palmer for all the work they've gone to champions for change. and so many others who have continued to push the culture forward. so tonight is kind of an extension of the work we do every day at ebony at honoring black excellence, but we get all these great folks in one room, celebrate them, say, we see you and you're so proud of you. >> i'm very much looking forward to tonight. my colleague, simone sanders, i believe, is also among the honorees. my good friend geo peppers is among the honorees. i'm looking forward to it. my friend jake ivey, friends of the show, will also be there! so, i'm looking forward to seeing you this evening and celebrating the culture and just thank you, mario, for taking time on a busy day for you. thank you, and we look forward to seeing what ebony magazine does in the coming years. it's been a staple in many black households. so, thank you very much. >> thank you as well. congratulations. >> thank you very much. i'm honored to be honored. coming up, britain's historic new leader, the first british asian prime minister. but how you are black and brown brethren across the pond really feel about him? 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>> well, i think it's a very historic moment, essentially. it's a very on distinct moment as well. it doesn't really compare to barack obama becoming the president of the united states. we never had a general election, didn't even have an internal election in the conservative party. so, it's understated. people refer to the history of rishi sunak's political opponents, they've congratulated him on this historic achievement. he said very little about it. he attended at the wally celebration, but he hasn't talked about that historic moment. it's a very british way of not quite noticing this historic change, but like my father who came here in 1956, because it's a remarkable shift. it's something the became possible in the last five years, and that something we didn't expect to see. >> i want to play something for you, henry. trevor noah, who hosts the daily show here, had some thoughts and remarks on this new prime minister. take a listen, and then we'll talk about it on the other side. >> you hear other people saying oh, they are taking over! now, the indians are going to take over great britain and what's next? and i always found myself going, so what? and i think it's because the quiet for a lot of people don't realize they're saying is, we don't want these people who were previously oppressed again to power, because they may do to us what we did to them. >> i mean, there is that sentiment. we want to have more conversations on the show about the diaspora. so, i'm very curious. what is life like for black folks in the uk? how might this prime minister influence it, in an adverse way or a positive way? >> well, he is a very powerful figure, as sunder says, but there's a split in how people see his rise to the top. on the center right, the conservative party and in conservative leading newspapers, this shows britain truly is a melting pot. the best in the developed world. the fact that somebody of his background and his faith can rise to the top, but we barely mentioned it's. it just shows it's not about institutional racism, but family structure, working hard, and fitting in. on the center left, people are housing what trevor noah said. they said the reality is, on the ground, people are struggling in this country. especially if you haven't done well in school, if you haven't gone to a really elite private institution, if you are having mental health difficulties, or if you are struggling in the health service. there's a whole range of issues of day-to-day that someone like rishi sunak could not begin to recognize. also, people are conflicted because the people of african origin and asian origin, they go to the top of british politics, tend to turn their backs on the kinds of issues that they are kissed and kin, their brother in, they are really, really important. especially things like migration. things like policing, deaths in custody, and that's why they're deeply conflicted. just remember, in the british cabinet, you have the prime minister, rishi sunak, center right, the small seat conservative, small state, low taxation. we have an extreme right wing home secretary -- who said she dreads seeing planes taking illegal migrants off rwanda. also -- of indian origin tackles the same sentiment, and that's why a number of people on the left in the labour party say, this is not a big win for people of asian and african origin. >> i want to point out, there was a scene in -- that show how black britons feel and black people feel they are at least twice as likely as what people to say there is discrimination in blitzes policing in the media, three times more likely to think the country is on far too little to address historical racial injustice, and more likely to believe the country's governing conservative party is institutionally racist. sunder, i want to come back to you, because henry made some points about different generations and people. so i do wonder, in the south asian community, for second and third generation south asians in britain, the duality that exists when it comes to multiculturalism's. is there this feeling of having multiple identity? or do you feel at home in the uk, the longer that your family has been there and establish residency and helped create the country that the uk is? >> there is confidence among asian or black britons that we are equally and fully british, and that's an argument that had to be established with the majority. but young people are much less impressed with older people because my children, the teenagers, says it's never happened before. what took so? long my father thought it was a vast advance. it's a real upset. as well as the political differences. what trevor noah got wrong is there hasn't been a backlash in any mainstream politics, in any mainstream media. it's just not something you could do to objectively ethnicity or face of your prime minister. that's a low bar to set, but it's a low bar to clear. it's the clash on the internet, with people who support extremely far-right parties saying i don't want him. i wouldn't want an asian. we're talking 1%, 2%. we've got issues with race discrimination and prejudice for people to object to somebody's ethnicity. they say no asians. here -- we've won that argument. but we've got our arguments to move on to, such as those that we've talked about. we've got more open elite -- by gender the city. if you got the right educational credentials, if your parents that you to one of the best private schools in the country, it's hard to make that progress for social class. it won't be substantial protests as well as symbolic protests as well as you address the class as wealthy ethnicity. >> it's interesting to have this accommodation with you all, because here in the united states, we are facing an unprecedented amount of political violence, certainly, something that was prevalent during the civil rights movement, the jim crow era. there seems to be a resurgence of. it i thought it was very important for us to have some intellectual curiosity about what was going on with our friends across the pond. so, henry, you are a friend of the show. you'll have to come back. and sunder, you're a new friend of the show, so i love to have you both back as well as we continue to watch what happens in the uk. coming up for you folks at home, what's in your wallet? 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>> it's mainly corporate greed. we heard in the share price calls that they were bragging about how they could make more money, that this is an environment good for their profits. and we see what they're doing with the profits. it's buying back shares. they are only taking into account shareholder wealth and not looking at consumers. they're not looking at workers who, they wouldn't have profits without those workers. what we see is corporate greed. they are getting away with. it >> yeah. our congresswoman, carrie foreigner -- was brilliant, i'm a sick a listen and we'll talk about it on the other side. >> according to this chart, what is the biggest driver of inflation during the pandemic? the blue, the dark blue, is the recent period. >> it would be corporate profits. >> and what is that percentage? >> it is 54%, and that number does say that low with recent numbers as well. >> so, over half of the increase in prices people are paying are coming from increases in corporate profits. >> yes. >> i mean, there you have it right there. when you get to the supply and the man, there are some who argue that even supply and the man is because of corporate greed, because corporations want to use offshore labor and drive down worker rights and worker compensations. so, what can be done? it seems the power is not in the consumer's hands. >> it really isn't. what can be done is regulation. what can be done is tax reforms that corporations, if you're going to do stack buybacks, you've got to pay an extra price for it. all those share buybacks do is increase the value of the stock, which only benefits those who own stocks. roughly half of americans don't own stocks. so, it's really about a select few. the wealthy and white americans benefited from this. >> yeah, and the stock market is not the economy. i remember being a younger person and watching people have these kind of intellectual financial discussions on my television screen, and they always felt like they're not talking to me and they're not talking about me when they talk about how well the economy is doing. i try to center people who are really in the thick of things. we have a soundbite from a woman who's trying to get a job, and she makes a really good point. i want you to take a listen to a voter talk about that. take a listen. >> i'm the mother of four children. the job, they say all these jobs are out there, but they don't want to pay enough for you to actually live off the job. >> which is a really big deal. >> it really is. and workers are gaining strength with union organizing, but not every workplace has that. and companies do things like not hire you for 40 hours a week, so they don't have to pay you benefits. so workers in the gig economy, as elsewhere, have to have three or four jobs. that's not sustainable. it's just not sustainable. >> as people, because i remember what it was like sitting in a place, and not having any financial security when i was younger, and also, as an adult being on my own. so, what are some things that people can do to prepare? a lot of people say the recession winds are blowing, but janet yellen came out and said, i mean we're not heading for a recession. i'm not in the economist, i don't know what to make of, it but there are a lot of people in financial hardship. what can they? do >> one thing, by october 31st, if you have student loans in the public service business industry, which is essential workers. think about teachers, hospital employees, if you've got student debt, there is a program that the biden administration is putting forth that you can get all of your debt forgiven. this isn't the 10, 000, 20,000 dollar program. this is all of your debt if you satisfy requirements that they've waived. but you have to do it by october 31st. i've been told it's pretty easy. you can get on the website, and it should take 20 minutes or so to do it. and right now, we're hearing talk about inflation. we're hearing talk about recession. with inflation, you have this idea that there's too much money chasing too few goods, but if you don't have money to chase the goods, you are not in an inflationary perspective. there is a problem. to me, what's the answer? vote. vote. get your friends to vote. get your family to vote. and then, work on get out the vote campaigns. there is one party that wants regulation. there is one party that wants to make tax reforms not increase taxes on the middle class. >> i know you talk about greater regulations on companies that are profiteering. but i do wonder, for the people sitting at home thinking yes, i don't know how to feed my kids tomorrow. or yes, i don't know how to pay my rent tomorrow. some of the moratoriums, evictions have since ended since the pandemic. and there's just not a lot of resources. those kinds of things drive up crime and cast a dark shadow over so many parts of the country. so, what's our glimmer of hope, financially? is there a glimmer of hope? that bright light at the end of the tunnel, isn't a train or some hope? >> you have to have hope, right? when you think about the people who came before us and what they face versus what we're facing, yes, it's difficult to see the child tax credit expansion, and what we saw so many children lifted out of poverty. it's difficult to see one party that cruelty is the point. it's difficult. but our ancestors still with much worse. so,. yeah we've got to keep hope. we've got to keep fighting. and we can't let the other side when. >> it's really sad. i don't want to make light of, it because it's really sad what a lot of people are going through out there. i hope people keep the face and there are programs throughout that can help. exactly. i think today is the day, in 1929, black tuesday. the stock market crashed. all those years ago today. that kicked off the great depression. >> right. >> and when america was depressed, black folks -- >> were born to press. what comes after depression? 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