spend this last weekend explaining what it was like to have a moderate as governor, his support may melt rapidly. >> massachusetts, utah and here. a bit of a mormon dig in there. newt would never stoop to that. contrast that to how he described rick santorum at the same event. >> i won't say anything negative about mitt. i am more experienced than rick is at running a very large government operation. >> if you think of us as partners, he would clearly an historic experience. >> he's the junior partner. that's newt's idea of being nice. who is this junior partner in the fetching sweater vest who is catching fire with staunch conservatives? why don't we let the man tell you. here's rick santorum discussing president obama and abortion rights. >> i find it remarkable for a black man to say no, we are going to decide who are people and who are not. >> okay. here is rick santorum in iowa talking about americans and welfare. >> i don't want to make black people's lives better by giving them somebody else's money. i want to give them the opportunity to earn the money. >> here's how santorum defends those words by saying he never said it. >> i looked at that and i didn't say that. if you look at it, what i started to say is a word and changed it. it sort of came out. people said i said black, but i didn't. >> sorry, can we play that clip more time? >> i don't want to make black people's lives better by giving them somebody else's money. i want to give them the opportunity to go out and earn the money. >> that are didn't sound like blah to people. in other quarters, it's santorum's views about gays and lesbians that prompted the biggest outrage. take an interview where santorum said i have no problem with homosexuality. i have a problem with homosexual acts. the question is do you act upon those orientations. it's not the person, it's the person's actions. so, it's fine to be gay in theory, just don't do anything about it. if you act on it, santorum compares those actions to man on child, man on dog relationships. those are his words. now, judging by santorum's strong showing in iowa, conservatives feel he is speaking their language. the question is, can words like these offer a credible alternative to candidate mitt romney? for more on all things santorum, let's bring in our guest with strategist crystal ball. with us from washington, chief reporter for politico, ken vogel. in our intro, we played santorum discussing the issue of welfare. he seemed to use the word black, but then he went on to bill o'reilly's broadcast and seemed to want to correct himself. what did you make of his correction? >> i really honestly wanted to give rick santorum the benefit of the doubt and i listened a few times. it's hard to figure out what else he could have been saying. there is the fact that before he went on o'reilly he had a few different explanations of what it was and he was trying to justify the comment. his narrative on that shifted a bit. it's hard for me to explain it in any other way. >> was it blah or black. >> for sounded to me like black. >> you are an investigative reporter, he is up to third in new hampshire and a distance 30, but still are we going to see a closer examination of his history? everything from the money he made after the senate and his voting record to some of the more extreme things he said. i think of things like leak information to john ensign when he was about to be pursued? >> absolutely, martin. this is how it works generally and specifically in this presidential primary process. all of these candidates have surged at times from obscurity in most cases and gotten the thorough vetting that in some cases led to a plateau or even a downward trend on their surge. rick santorum though he peaked at the perfect time going into iowa and finishing a very strong second in iowa and now being seen as a more credible candidate than perhaps for the many months proceeding this, but now comes the scrutiny. yes, there reporters who are brushing off old santorum files as we speak and looking through the things that are known, but there more recent activities that he has been involved in during the time of the private sector. they haven't gotten as thorough of a vetting. there is a lot out there and a lot of things we talked about and there will be some new reporting. it's the same with newt gingrich. >> what are have you got? >> we are looking at as you suggested how he made money. time in the private sector. you can expect a lot of reporters to be looking at that. >> a bit of lobbying maybe? >> this is how former members of congress make their money and the washington influence. she no different and hoe had a diversified set of as o assets including ownerships of property where penn state university is that he rented out. it's not just the influence industry, but all this stuff warrants a second look in a twa did when he was languishing in the polls. >> when santorum was in the house, he was not earning vast amounts of money and able to purchase a $2 million property and so on. one of the things was his suggestion that the child sexual abuse scandal in the catholic church was not because of the behavior of priests, but because of bostonian liberals. >> yes. the liberal culture is undermining everything from his perspecti perspective. to me these extreme positions that he has taken on social issues from being sort of anti-contraception and thinking that states should be allowed to ban adultery to and to criminalize adultery. those are the most troubling. i should apologize for my liberal feminist views. i encourage you to work outside of the home and undermining the family. >> and undermining the e spipisl church as you speak. >> the corruption that ken was pointing out and things like taking money from his home district in pennsylvania to school his children while they were living in virginia. there was support for earmarks in congress that turned into boone dogles and muddying the waters on whether he is truly a conservative. those are the lines of attack i expect them to take. >> isn't it really that the extreme views that mr. santorum holds, they won't hurt him with the gop, but they will hurt him with moderates and independents were he to win the nomination and facedown for the president in november. >> that's the paradox here. some of these views that we are looking at them saying wow, did he just say that? that's not going to hurt him a lot in south carolina and the socially conservative states that he is eying were he to mount a campaign for the nomination. we have conservatives that are the elites if you will who are wondery iing what happens if th guy wins the nomination. his problems will be most acute and obvious in the general election. there is a move to consider we reported on a meeting coming up in texas with movement conservatives who are going to talk about is this guy. the right person to get behind the right not mitt romney candidate or should we unite behind gingrich or perry. there was a lot of thought that the statements make him unelectable. >> absolutely. gingrich just now made an effort to be terribly pat ronnizing and friendly. obviously he liked to be on the ticket if santorum were to win. that's a bit of a problem. santorum wants to ban adultery and divorce. >> it's an awkward pairing. there has been a lot about gingrich saying nice things towards santorum. i don't think it's because he thinks he will be the nominee. if gingrich is going to win this thing, he has to win over supporters. that's my read on the situation. it serves his purposes to say what a great positive campaign rick santorum ran in opposition to what mitt romney has been doing. >> crystal ball and the bearded wonder, ken vogel. thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you. >> when we come back, we talked to the one presidential candidate who wants to change the money game in 2012. stay with us. >> i'm not rich. >> i was charging $60,000 a speech. the number of speeches was going up, now down. three-time presidential candidate william jennings brian said no one can earn a million dollars honestly. try telling that to rick santorum who is boasting about raisinginging a million in day after finishing a mere eight votes behind mitt romney in iowa. the supreme court should be taking the bows because it was their decision that opened the floodgates to the ungettered buying and selling of political candidates. former louisiana governor buddy roemer is candidate for president of the united states is the only man who doesn't fear coming on to this broadcast. thank you for joining us. >> i didn't say i was smart. >> now, sir, you vow not to take any money from a political action committee or a pack or super pack and refused any donation of more than $100 in iowa you ended up with a total of 31 votes. i say this not to mock you, sir, but doesn't that prove the point that no money, no political success? >> it could. you i chose not to compete in iowa if you tell the full story. i gave one speech in february and i told them we ought to cut the subsidies and balance the budget and that would be their contribution. i love the farmers in iowa, but i didn't have the resources to compete. i didn't go back to iowa. >> you are now in new hampshire. do you expect to fare any better there without having the resources that all of the other candidates have? >> it will be difficult, particularly, martin, when you are not included in any of the national debates. i'm the only person running for president of the united states who has been a congressman and a governor. i'm the only person running for president who doesn't have a super pack and doesn't take pack money and goes directly to the people. my god, who do you want as president? a guy taking million dollar checks under the table or a woman or man who is free to lead? >> i'm sorry to answer your question, it seems to be the electorate prefers the guy with the money. they don't care about your experience. >> martin, be fair to the people. there have been 16 national debates. i haven't been asked to be on a single one of them. i was a good governor and a four-term congressman. eight years and organized the bowl weave ils. i like my record. i have been a private banker for the last six years and building a billion dollar bank that didn't foreclose on the mortgage holders. i had experience what a president needs to do. the people don't know me. they haven't heard of me. >> story your view -- >> one thing that surprises me. >> if i can move you to this question. is it your view that limiting the amount of money a person or a corporation can give to a candidate, does that amount to an infringement of first amendment rights guaranteeing free speech? >> not in it's done broadly and applied fairly and not in everybody is in the circle. what happened now is the super packs are illegal. the supreme court and the fec said very clearly that you could have a super pack, but it had to be independent of the campaign. jon huntsman's father is funding his super pack. is that independent? mitt romney has a former business partner running his. president obama has a former chief of staff running his. what's wrong with america? special interest on our government. where are the people? they disappeared. >> perhaps mitt romney can help us understand this. let me play what mr. romney said about corporate money in august while stomping in iowa. listen to this. >> corporations are people, my friend. we can raise taxes. everyday corporations there and it goes to people. where do you think it goes? >> indeed. where does he think it goes? how is that message selling to voters when it comes to the man who was born in wealth and spent years getting rich by playing with corporations as if they were properties in a game of monopoly. >> corporations are not people. they can't be drafted. they can't have an operation. they can't catch cancer. they can't have children. corporations are not people. they are a legal entity to protect the shareholders, but they do not have the rights of people. >> i have to remind you of course that the president himself will have a war chest in excess of a billion dollars. although he has condemned citizens united as a ruling, he too concedes in practice the power of money and politics. >> it's called hypocrisy. he doesn't practice what he preaches. he said we are going to change america. he hasn't changed a darn thing. >> what can he do? the supreme court made a ruling. >> no. you can do it. the supreme court didn't tell buddy roemer what he had to do. the supreme court said this is our ruling on campaign contributions. buddy roemer gets to lead, gets to decide what he will do. here's what i decided. no packs. no super packs. $100 limit. i made that decision. you know who can make the decision? the leader of america and the president of the united states. he doesn't have the guts to do it. he knows it's wrong. he said it's wrong. >> he has. >> why don't you stand up, mr. president and practice what you speech? i love america, but i don't like the politics. it's bought and sold by the special interest. you know and it and i know it and the president knows it. do something about it, mr. president. >> indeed. former governor buddy roemer, thanks for joining us and good luck on tuesday. >> thanks. >> stay with us. much more ahead on the race for the white house. >> our message, the president barack obama is, you can run, but you can't hide from your record. ok! who gets occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas or bloating? 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>> you are seeing that, but you have to look close and read the body language. they have been burned in the past ever since the out set of this administration making predictions about the number of jobs or rate of unemployment that is a result of the stimulus. that's a long story. they missed the mark and there was talk earlier in the administration in the worst stirrings of green chutes coming up. now over the course of the last year or so as the unemployment rate continued to worsen, you have seen the white house leave the prognostications, economic forecasting and especially forecasting unemployment to the private sector. they figured when the numbers came out and they started to improve, we were seeing sign that is the rate may come down for december. they can then jump out in front and point to the figures with some measure of pride. >> i'm sure you will bring us that information. thanks so much for joining us this afternoon. >> next, calista makes a cameo, but santorum stars. the day's top lines are coming up. >> i don't want to make black people's lives better by giving them somebody else's money. >> i looked at that and i didn't say that. people said i said black and i didn't. 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