come back and i referred to the call and everyone is nodding. of course, that's what's going on. of course the president is pressing for a biden investigation before he'll do these things the ukrainians want. there is nodding agreement. did i go through every single word in the call? no, because everyone by that point agreed. it was obvious what the president was pressing for. ambassador taylor, as you just outlined -- >> please do not interrupt. >> but, sir, my vivid recollection of an event i was involved with was a touchtone experience that to me validated and -- >> mr. jordan, please -- >> what we believed. ambassador taylor was not in that call. >> all of a sudden last week. >> mr. jordan, allow the witness to answer the question. >> i'll finish with this. >> thank you. >> he was involved in a number of other interactions as you've outlined that brought him to the same conclusion. it is quite possible that -- >> mr. jordan.