Everybody needs to chill out because it will work. Sdl growing bipartisan anger over the obama care website and growing revelations of spying and surveillance. Whats the next move at the white house . Also today, the brown game. How is the obama care rollout going in the states . Well go across country. And days of fire. The new book that takes you inside the bush chain aeney partnership. The man who wrote the book will join me live. And also the wave to legalize samesex marriage has hit hawaii. A special session starts tomorrow. Protests are happening today. A whole heck of a lot to get to on a sunday afternoon. But we start in hawaii. Tomorrow Hawaii GovernorNeal Abercrombie will be opening a rare special session of the state Legislature Today to debate a new bill that would make hawaii the 15th state to legalize same sex marriages. But conservative opposition could cause trouble in paradise. Joining me new, the governor. Back in 1993, your state was one of the very first states to lay the ground work for same sex marriage. But the effort failedrvative ba. In 1998, they voted for an amendment to define marriage as between a man and a woman. Whats changeded . . I think the characterization of the amendment wasnt quite accurate. It gave the legislature the right to define marriage as always existed for the legislature. So the issue has evolved over time. And i think thats why were at conditions that we are today are were ready to have this special session to address the question of marriage equity. Let me ask you is question i know youve been asked a lot. Why call a special session for this, why not as some have suggested allow voters to decide a measure like this . Its quite clear in the wake of the Supreme Court decisions with regard to the defense of marriage act that there are simply indicatiila implications for taxes, for life decisions, and if you delay anything, youre exceptionally denying. And so you cant really say to somebody if there is a question of equity, that it needs to be put off for some period of time. With everyones tax situation coming up in january, i felt it was very important that we resolve the situation well before then. Do you believe there enough support for samesex marriage this go around . Im confident the votes are there, but ive been involved in politics for five decades so i wait for the votes are actually counted. But i think the situation is ready to be concluded. There is a big spread on tfr page that details the states evolving stance on samesex marriage and it points out that in 2010 democratic primary debate, that you said samesex marriage in hawaii is, quote, unlikely ever to be considered. How have your personal feelings evolved on this particular issue . I also said the issue has evolved. I never believed it would be brought up on its own by the legislature, but the conditions and circumstances have brought it frin front of us. So now the question of equity is onhe verge of being concluded. Before you served as governor, you were a congressman for more than 20 years and notefully friends with president obamas parents. What do you make of all the partisan gridlock, all the mess consuming d. C. Right now . Thats a terrific question, craig, because an era has passed literally with the death of representative bill young of florida last week. The capacity for bipartisan interaction exemplified by jack murtha and bill young in the house of representatives, able to legislate, thats pretty much over im sorry to say. And what we have now is less legislatures than we have infiltrate tors in the congress of the United States, particularly the house. So its very difficult. Tors in of the United States, particularly the house. So its very difficult. A great spot to leave it. Governor, thank you so much for your time and by the way, thats a fantastic shirt, sir. This is hawaii fashion right now. And were here to welcome everybody. Its another Beautiful Day in parra tiadise and were looking forward to all of you who would like to get married regardless of your particular gender or orientation circumstances, could to hawaii. And ill invite Chris Christie to come out. We wont even charge for you that free advertisement. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it, governor. The Obama Administration today finding its poll is hes under fire on a number of fronts. Lets get right to the brain trust. Political strategist and principal of impact strategies, perry baker, msnbc contributor, and Jennifer Rubin columnist for a washington post. Good to see all of you on a sunday. An angela, krichl krit krit am of bam care continues. Take a listen. One thing i have to tell you, the rollout is the least of the problem here. The rollout looks like a disaster. The problem with obama care is it doesnt get to the nub of the problem. Which is Higher Health care costs that have been out of control. So when you roll it out, if it rolled out perfectly, its not going to achieve what america wants. So now its not just republicans. Ten Democratic Senators say that they also want some sort of delay in enforcing the law. How can president obamas plan remain on schedule with members of his own parties now seeking a delay . Well, i think that we have to look at why we it actually are experiencing this level of challenge with the obama care website. First and foremost, lets address this. If there werent 45 votes to repeal obama care and instead congress in total, not just democrats that were supporting the law, but if republicans actually had the decency and the common accepts to realize that this was the law of the land, it has been since march 12010, perhaps they should have used the time for proper oversight and then we wouldnt be here today. Oh, come on. Stand by, jennifer. Anxious larks finish. If you really take the time to ensure that something actually works, thats what real teamwork is and thats what real bipartisanship looks like. When you have a law that is on the books to ensure that all American People have Health Care Coverage and that coverage that they deserve. Jennifer, what part of that dont you buy . Just about all including the the. The republicans are not responsible for this mess. This was pushed through purely on democratic votes. The United States senate is controlled by democrats. If they wanted to conduct oversight hearings, dhee have. The Administration Lied to us. They told us everything was okay. How many times did we hear from the president 100 everything is on track. When senator max baucus said is this going to be a train wreck, the administration and all their supporters rushed forth and said, no, thats nonsense. Everything will be fine. Its not fine. And to the point that governor kasich was making, its not simple lit website. The entire premise of obama care was it you could force young relatively Healthy People into the exchanges, they would buy insurance, and they would subsidize sicker slightly older people, no tt medicare people, t slight older people. That does that seem to be happening. Perry ar, i read you wrote t idea that the president will be traveling taking obama care on the road, continuing this push in massachusetts at some point this week. What can we expect to hear from the white house during that particular visit . So on wednesday hes going to boston. And hes into to talk abogoing massachusetts hassed a Health Care Law very similar to the one we have nationally and the president will say that law had a bumpy start at the beginning, too, but ended up working out. So its been a success according to most analysis of it. And i think thats the message. We started off poorly. The white house is being blunt that this is not working well the first three weeks, but there is still time. The important thing being that most people probably were not going to sign up for insurance in the first three week anyway. The key date is december 15th. December 15th. By that date, you have to sign up for insurance that starts on january 1st. If the websites are not working that day and we have real problems, not working by thanksgiving, we have real problems. Right now there is more time left. Anxious larks tgela, the whi also under criticism for the surveillance, especially of angela merkel. Chairman darrel el issa pointina finger at the white house. Remember the nsa works for the president. So its a question of did the president want to hear what chanceler merkel chancellor merkel was saying. Hundreds of folks yesterday marching on capitol hill protesting government surveillance programs. Angela, how will opposition to inform sa spying, how will this particular example of that, how will that affect the president on the domestic front, or will it . I think it very well could. What we do have to look at is what the president has done to address this sense the snowden leaks. There the review group on intelligence and Communications Technology that he established and also we know that back in august, he announced there would be an ombudsman like function to the fisa court. So weve known since post 9 11, with the patriot act changes, that there would be some issues. And so there just has to be a balance between, you know, civil rights, civil liberties. Perhaps jennifer has a solution to this, as well. I didnt hear hers on obama care. I actually have one on obama care. We have to get to a commercial break. Thank you solyou so much. Up next, the manhunt for several inmates who escaped from jail. Wait until you hear how they got out. Plus, inside the egyptian uprising. A new film gives a rare view from the ground as cairo erupted into chaos. The films director and would have one of the leaders of the movement will join me live. 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The operation of the ride that hurt five at the North Carolina state fair have been charged with three counts of assault of a it deadly weapon. The men tampered with the ride. And syria has formally filed details of plans to destroy its check c chemical weapons plan. With president obamas mideast agenda on the front pages today, a new documentary out sheds fresh insight on egypts air rarab spring. It chronicles the massive protests that led to the resignation of mubarak. We have with us the producer and one of the activists. First of all, how dangerous was this to shoot a documentary like that at the height of the protests . I mean, our entire team was either chased or arrested or beaten up at some point. But i dont think any of us would have been there if we werent egyptians or people that cared about the cause. We would have been there anyway. So thats why we were there making the film. What inspired it . Were egypt shansiaegyptians. It was important to be in the the middle of it. Our country is still changing. And i make films which follow the emotional story that gets behind the headlines. So you really what you see on the news is you see the million man march, the election, but you dont see exactly how you get there in a personal way. So thats what this film is about. M and then reshot the ending. Why . We went back because the revolution continues and still continues. But it was very important to get to this continual fight. Because where we ended it the first time was the removal of a president , president hosni mubarak, for the demand to remove the next president , morsi. But people were back in the streets saying they will continue to fight against any fascist regime. So it was very important to get that fight against the Muslim Brotherhood that happened in the last chapter of the film. A lot of folks may not know in, but you are an established actor, you were in the green zone, you decided im going to put that on hold and go to egypt and be a part of this. How did that come to be . Im part of a generation of people who have been fighting for political freedoms. Both my father and grandfather were political activists and imprisoned. But im privileged to be able to live for what i believe in. Live and fight for it. So through film, documentary, through fiction films. We continue to see protests to this day. In the simplest of terms for folks who might be watching or listening, what needs to be it done in that country so that egyptians are satisfied with their government . One thing people have misunderstood is they project their open democracy on to the situation in egypt. One thing people forget is that unless you have a proper checks and Balance System around your democracy, when for example like what happened morsi takes on becomes the sole executive and legislative authority in the country, normally you can impeach them. Checks and balance ensures you pr free press, guarantees democracy. When you dont have them and they start disenfrandisenfranche street becomes the only place you can use in order to hold power accountable. So really what we need is the mechanisms to hold power accountable. At that point, the fair fight begins in order to establish the things that people have dreamt of. Freedom, social justice, good education, health care, all of the things that provide over a long period of reform the possibility of economic prosperity, the possibility of a life where youre born knowing that things can get better for you. Its a fantastic watch. Thank you both for your time. It opens for three weeks at the film forum downtown. Were there for q as. 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