it now been politicized because of the way they've weighed in? >> they are feeling the pressure. i started our daily planet because we were hearing these stories from other agencies. noaa had been relatively unscathed and hadn't felt pressures to change the science or feel like their job was at risk if they did what they were supposed to do, what the statutes, the law tells them to do. . now i think they're worried they won't be able to do their jobs effectively. one of my successors said he couldn't imagine how leaders would stand up in front of the agency and look them in the eye after having told them to do -- not to take on the president. >> tiffany, we understand the significance of what it means for ordinary americans when organizations and agencies like