14% of americans agree it should be done in an ultimatum form. the courts have weighed in. i think that's falling apart and i think this is a formal way it gets every senator, every house member on record. so i think it's going to make it tough for biden to keep pushing forward when it was a bad idea to begin with. >> well, i have to tell you, doesn't seem tough to the white house because just before you came on the air and we had this conversation, white house press secretary, jen psaki, was asked about this and said that president biden will veto this if it comes to his desk and even looking at the numbers you have. say you have at best 56. say even 57 senators who vote on this. still not a veto proof majority. is this anything other than signal sending or messaging on your part? because ultimately, it's not going to cross the finish line, it seems. >> it would have to cascade into something more than we've got now. >> okay, so you acknowledge