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Gas. we want the russians to do it. i m doesn t make much sense to me. charles: he s not the only one. what do you think the strategy is here, steve? i agree very much with secretary pompeo. really if there were to be a sensible strategy, it should have been to bolster the capabilities of the ukrainians to help themselves and pushing the europeans to come to a neighbor s aid and increase deterrence against russia. all of the signal sending, whether it s pulling back from missile defense, all of these things are very troubling signs. i can t disagree with what the secretary said. russia see as go signal and a lot of weakness or uncertainty on the part of the west. charles: also apparently the main chess piece here on both sides is nato. what is their role in this? you know, i just feel like we re ....
Of oil goes down, it s not reflected to the consumer as quickly. so they re trying to do something to push that price down even further. things are better today. still high prices but better today than they were just a week or so ago. the national gas average right now, the current average $4.23 a gallon. a year ago, $2.87. but it s down 10 cents, down a dime a gallon from just not that long ago. even yesterday once the white house signaled it was going to do this, oil futures went down. it has an immediate effect. it does. and it is a lot of signal sending. you are exactly right about what we re hearing from the white house and democrats about oil companies not necessarily passing on their savings to consumers. our colleague rene marsh did an amazing piece saying just that. but that doesn t change the political reality for the white house. for democrats who are on the ballot, who are incredibly concerned about the fact that, yes, the president is understandably putting so much ....
14% of americans agree it should be done in an ultimatum form. the courts have weighed in. i think that s falling apart and i think this is a formal way it gets every senator, every house member on record. so i think it s going to make it tough for biden to keep pushing forward when it was a bad idea to begin with. well, i have to tell you, doesn t seem tough to the white house because just before you came on the air and we had this conversation, white house press secretary, jen psaki, was asked about this and said that president biden will veto this if it comes to his desk and even looking at the numbers you have. say you have at best 56. say even 57 senators who vote on this. still not a veto proof majority. is this anything other than signal sending or messaging on your part? because ultimately, it s not going to cross the finish line, it seems. it would have to cascade into something more than we ve got now. okay, so you acknowledge ....
Investigation. obviously in the bush white houses, they re litigating this to some extent in the press. they can t talk to each other. roger stone can t pick up the phone and talk to donald trump now because that would obviously trigger issues, but he s basically sending messages. and i think, unfortunately, they re all acting culpable by chaining their behavior, by basically saying i m not maybe you should think about that pardon for me because i m not cooperating. you make such a great point. and joyce, bringing you into this, as a prosecutor, full disclosure. the part of me that is a journalist, we welcome all new information we get. it s fascinating when witnesses want to talk during a probe. so i get that. but speak to the point that neera raises, which is separate from the journalistic inquiry or obviously a lot of citizens following this, the legal part of this, which is mueller s folks looking at all of this signal sending, and they re not naive about what s going on. two ....
Charge him with conspiracy against the u.s. everything in this fact pattern would suggest there s even a more serious charge they could have laid at his feet. why didn t they? i suspect that mueller is keeping it in their back pocket. when they sit down with roger not in front of a camera, they re going to say we have further charges. we can lay at you. do you want to cooperate or not? let me wander into speculation. are you worried that s not in this document because of the attorney general who is overseeing this investigation? i mean, the other i should say all this no one knows what robert mueller knows so this is speculation i think there s people who aren t named in this indictment who i think mueller probably knows what their identity is i think part of this indictment is signal sending. joyce would know better than i i don t worry about the attorney general here i think robert mueller still has a lot of the cards joyce, let me turn to you on what we ve seen so far, we re ....