[ applause ] >> have a seat. >> it was interesting. all the candidates came out and said look, we are not going to cross, pick a line as it should be. then it makes you realize like how much union decline in the last 20 years. what's gone wrong in pennsylvania, michigan and wisconsin, i used to think, that's one of the first places to look at that. >> my family, my uncle was in the flint sit-down strike in 1936, it began in december, right about this time of the year. the uaw was formed and had their first victory when they forced general motors to acknowledge the union and got something like a dollar a day. >> right. >> but, so i lived this life