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under israel's leadership the department entered an agreement to drastically reduce student arrests. the goal was to eliminate the so-called school-to-prison pipeline which at the time was a top priority of president obama and attorney general eric holder. the effect was a disaster. cruz might have been arrested and convicted of a crime if it not for that policy he would not have been able to buy a gun. once the parkland shooting began, israel deputies refused their most basic duties. deputy scott peterson's only job was to protect students at the school hid while cruz murdered 17 people. when three more broward deputies arrived, they too took shelter behind their cars, rather than try and enter the school and save the lives of children. scott israel is the man in charge of all of this and, of course, he is responsible for it. he loudly disagrees, indeed, israel relentlessly brags about himself to all media who will record it. two years ago for example the local newspaper in florida reported that israel used tax dollars to build a personal political machine and he clearly had. the evidence was there stone cold. con fronted with it israel said this, quote: what have i done differently than don shula or abraham lincoln or martin luther king or grande, end quote and by the way he said lions don't care about the opinions of sheep. stable people don't talk like, this obviously. something is wrong with sheriff israel. as recently as yesterday, he was refusing to accept any responsibility in the face of his well-documented failures. watch this exchange. >> do you think that if the broward sheriff's office had done things differently this shooting might not have happened? >> listen, if ifs and buts were candy and nutsologic sinks would still be in the record books. >> i don't know. there is 17 dead people and a whole lot of things your department could have done differently. >> tucker: remarkably, it got weirder and worse from there. watch. >> are you really not taking any responsibility for the multiple red flags that were brought to the attention of the broward's sheriff's office about this shooter before the incident whether it was people near him, close to him, calling the police on him? >> jake, i can only take responsibility for what i knew about. i exercised as my due diligence. i have given amazing leadership to this agency. >> amazing leadership? >> i work -- yes, jake. >> tucker: amazing leadership. and, yet, the facts suggest that scott israel should not be in charge of anything and yet he is. why? richard corcoran the speaker of the florida house he sipsd a letter calling for the suspension of israel broward county. thanks for come on. >> thanks for having me on. i appreciate it, tucker. >> tucker: tell us what your letter said and why. >> first it wasn't just a letter from me. it was a letter from me and 73 of my colleagues basically representatives accountable for 13-plus million people in the state of florida. and what we sent a letter to the governor saying under the constitution, he has the right to remove any local government official suspend them, and take them out of office. and we said basically your authority to do so if malfeasance. misfees sans, incompetence, neglect of duty in which we feel sheriff israel scores high on all four counts. we asked him to suspend him and go down there and take over the investigation and find a replacement. so 74 of us signed it the governor immediately to his credit, called on fdlr state law enforcement agency to go down there and seize the investigation and take over. but we would still like to see him suspended boy the governor and then ultimately our florida senate has the ability to reinstate him or have him be removed completely. i'm pretty sure talking to my colleagues in the senate they would remove him completely. completely. >> tucker: my guess would be of the 74 signatures republicans. >> yes were. >> tucker: why is this a partisan issue. he had four deputy at the scene with guns and none helped. why did no democrats support his removal? >> well, i think we do have the support. you know, it's very difficult, i think, for some of them because many of them are from that geographical area of broward county a significant portion of our democratic colleagues. for them it is like you are right. go forward, we encourage you but signing the letter was a step too far tore them. they are completely supportive. whether it's the parents i have talked to of the victims, whether it's our colleagues across the aisle. everyone is disgusted with both his attitude and the investigation and what he has been doing to date. >> tucker: so my impression is that the deputies who sat outside armed while 17 people were murdered at the school were within their legal rights. they were allowed to do that most of us respect law enforcement because we think they're willing to put their lives on the line for us. those people weren't. that seems to me something the legislature could address. if you are a deputy in charge with protecting the public. shouldn't you be obligated to protect the public? >> yeah. and let me say, tucker,and i think you would say the same thing. i'm outside counsel for sheriff's department as part of my job as an attorney. the sheriff is a friend of mine. tons of law enforcement officers. not one single law enforcement officer that i know in that situation wouldn't have gone scram bring in in the hallway up the stairway whatever author those children. we we have here is a poorly run agency. whether it was the officer on site or the three that came in the car. or the officers that weren't out to his house as have you said 23 times and never did anything even though he was a threat. whether it was the deal that he entered into with the superintendent of schools that basically said we are going to have a no arrest policy so you can bring guns and knives and bullets to school. all of these things. and the funny thing is this is by his own words. what sheriff israel said in each one of those situations the officers outside the school resource officer inside. the people inside who denied first responders the ability to go help these kids. the agreement and those bullets come to school. he has every single person under investigation he won't hold himself accountable for all these people that he has to investigate for their wrongdoing but he has done none. the height of arrogance as you said, tucker. the only amazing thing about sheriff israel is his egg norps. >> tucker: penalty for cowardice. the point is you are not allowed to be a coward. you are in the military. same would go wouldn't you say for a sheriff's deputy. most aren't cowards. for those who are shouldn't there be some penalty for that? >> there should. we should look at taking away their pensions. if you don't act the way you should in a situation where there are 14 children's lives at stake and three aconsults. absolutely, you should have your taken away. >> tucker: thank you for coming on. >> i appreciate it thank you, tucker. >> tucker: telling fox tonight that police officers prevented them for some reason entering stoneman douglas high school to provide care for students who were dying. matt flynn has new information on that story tonight, matt. >> tucker, three high ranking florida officials are expressing their officials saying e.m.s. was delayed getting inside stoneman douglas high school in the day of the shooting in the critical moments when victims lay inside inside of immediate care. one source tells fox news some e.m.s. teams requested to go inside but did and by the commanding agency the broward county sheriff's office. that source alleges scanner recordings will reveal that now the broward county sheriff's office released a statement in response to some of these allegations saying, in part, there are multiple investigations being conducted in addition to the stone man douglas shooting. investigators will not be rushed to jump to scxes a reporter from our miami affiliate said a seasoned forward would have risked their lives to go inside. they were frustrated the entire time they were there. however, the coral springs fire chief on scene that day says it is procedure that e.m.s. cannot go inside until law enforcement clears them to enter. the fire chief says law enforcement could not confirm whether the testimony fled or was decease wanted. that fire chief telling fox news in part that decisions cannot be made in a vac kuehl. it is possible that those that are upset about not being allowed inside simply do not have all of the information that our law enforcement partners had in making their decision. the florida department of law enforcement is investigating all the action by the broad county sheriff which will hopefully shed light on the time line of that day. >> i know a lot more than you all do now. so all i'm going to say is, yes, i believe there needs to be a full investigation. i don't think some people were honest. and we're going to investigate this in florida. and the right thing will be done. >> tucker, a committee in the florida senate today voted down a proposal on a statewide ban on assault weapons here in florida. tucker? >> tucker: matt, thanks a lot. sheriff scott israel would never blame his own repeated failures for the shooting at stoneman douglas high school. instead, he needed to blame an organization that was not involved. during the 2004 town meeting he played the demagogue against nra spokesperson dana loesch. >> you just told this group of people that you are standing up to them. you are not standing up for them until you say i want less weapons. [cheers and applause] >> tucker: dana loesch joins us tonight. dana, my first thought was he didn't sound like a sheriff somebody running for office. politician, a red faced blow hard a demagogue. doesn't sound like something a law enforcement official would say in a town hall. what do you make of that. >> i completely agree, tucker. i'm so glad you are talking about this. ultimately this is the failure. this is where the failure took place. it was with this man and his leadership as broward county sheriff. and i will have everybody know, tucker, as well as before the sheriff took that stage, him and i sitting up there for this town hall, he was allowed to go out and give a rally-style speech in which he railed against special interest and was naming the nra and really setting the stage up to go after 5 million law abiding innocent americans who didn't get all of the 45, i think is what buzzfeed reported tips that his office received. they didn't have the murderer call his office himself telling him that he thought he was a threat. and that police needed to do something. family members weren't calling the nra reporting this. they were calling his office. and so he has a lot of explaining to do. one more quick thing, tucker. i asked the sheriff on stage whether or not he could have actually arrested this murderer based on a florida state statute that treated anyone sending electronic or written threats of bodily injury laundry room or death to other individuals as this murderer did with this classmates whether he could have arrested that individual, charged with a felony and the sheriff did indicate that he could but then he glossed right by it and wanted to refocus and shift responsibility away from his dereliction of duty. i think he owes a lot of innocent americans an apology. >> tucker: also really troubling. he is not a congressman from camden. he has the power to put people in jail. is he a law enforcement official. this behavior seems reckless and dishonest and weird comparing yourself to mlk and gandhi. is there something wrong with him? you mentioned that game of thrones quote. he mentioned it again. he was attacking all those that you had on. the lawmaker had you on the state of florida who was calling for his resignation. and i agree with you. i wish that this would have come out on the stage. i wish that this truth would have been known at that particular time. it seemed as if he was more interested in turning this into a campaign stop. i will say that this really explains why the coral springs police chief came out against the broward county sheriff the way that they did. they said a statement would come out coral springs first. in they seemed to be calling the broward sheriff out on what i can only assume to be show boating what they were suggesting in their letter there had to be a lot of drama behind the scenes for other law enforcement officers who really, i mean, these are the guys who i mean, they sacrificed. they ran. in they heard the sound of gunfire and screaming, tucker, and they ran in and they did what they could to save innocence. that's why we love our law enforcement because of what they do for us. and now it's no wonder that they came out against this broward county sheriff. >> tucker: also transparent though. i'm not blaming the shooting on the sheriff. he didn't commit the shooting. a series of missteps by his agency allowed it to happen. is he culpable in some way. he is diverting attention to the others. it's the most basic and recognizable kind of butt covering. why does the press not point that out? >> >> i wish they would. what we're talking about is stem mick failure here. tucker, here you had the 45 reports into the sheriff's office. you also had two fbi reports. even bigger than that, we have had decades of the political class ignoring the mental health crisis here in the united states. and politicians who have refused to report dangerous people who have been adjudicated unfit, dangerous to themselves or others to the knicks system. this is why we at the nra have been pushing for targeted action and offering solutions on this. we are going to continue to do so. >> tucker: if you run the city with tens of thousands of mentally ill people living on the sidewalk and lecturing us about guns, maybe it's time to wake up a little bit. thank you, dana, i appreciate it. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: well, in the days since the florida school massacre, almost nobody seems to be asking the essential and obvious question which is why would a 19-year-old murder strangers? if you really wanted to make america better, you would be desperate for an answer to that question. but go ahead and ask an elected democrat that question. we have tried that. and they won't engage. we start with the obvious, does the collapse of the family play some role in this? i don't know. good question. silence, single mothers are one of the democratic party's most important. they can't admit the disappearance of fathers at home has been a disaster. how about the overprescription of pharmaceuticals to kids or violent media the sudden omni presence of soul destroying technology in our lives. it's everywhere. they won't respond to that all those explanations might make democratic voters uncomfortable. that's the answer. instead they attack the nra because it's convenient. they oppose them in elections therefore it's their fault. hard to think of a more cynical strategy yet it's working. using the propaganda arm of the media. of the democratic party has succeeded republican leaders in making pointless concessions on gun control including the president by the way. banning bump stocks is going to solve the problem? does anyone really tha real thi? not one person. that's been the compromise. have you seen the democrats compromise in any way at all? have you seen a single democrat concede rise in school mass scer something other than guns in the nra? nope, the point is not to make school safer. the point is to win power. that ought to be clear. as to why this is happening in the first place? jordan peterson joins us later in the show with his views on it. fascinating. mayor of oakland, california, collaborating with illegal immigrants to undermine america's own laws. i'm not making that up. that story is next. liberty did what? yeah, liberty mutual 24-hour roadside assistance helped him to fix his flat so he could get home safely. my dad says our insurance doesn't have that. don't worry - i know what a lug wrench is, dad. is this a lug wrench? maybe? you can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you™. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance. going somewhere? whoooo. here's some advice. tripadvisor now searches more... ...than 200 booking sites - to find the hotel you want and save you up to 30%. trust this bird's words. tripadvisor. but prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient originally discovered... in jellyfish. in clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve short-term memory. prevagen. the name to remember. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: at this point you can probably recite the official story about daca by heart. daca recipients are dreamers best america has to offer. future scientists and humanitarians. if anything you ought to be in their placements abigail hernandez recently arrested for making terrorist i can threats against high school students. she posted on facebook that she would go to east high school in rochester new york and shoot all of y'all explicatives. this could hurt her excellent chances of winning nobel prize but we will keep you posted. meanwhile out in oakland, insurrection against the government. on saturday democratic mayor schaaf issued a press release based on several sources she believed ice the federal immigration administration was about to launch immigration raids in the city of oakland. press release advised illegal residents to, quote: prepare not panic. and advised them that business owners and schools were not allowed to assist ice. an illegal immigrant works as a lawyer in new york city and he joins us tonight. mr. vargas, thanks for coming on. >> tucker, thanks so much for having me. >> tucker: how can a state actively work against federal law? isn't that how we had a civil war? >> what's the problem? do we have a problem that a local city is protecting its residence, a local city is pushing against the overbearing power of the federal government you? know the mayor is not saying let's protect the rapist and child molesters the mayor is simply saying we are going to protect our residence regardless of immigration status. hard working residence. >> tucker: you are wait, let me just be clear. i'm not attacking any of the so-called daca recipients, people here illegally personally. i don't know them. maybe some are bad people. maybe they are all great people. but the point is they are here illegally in violation of federal law. california is a state. you can't, the state of california is not allowed to actively sib vert federal law. then it's not really acting in concert with the other 4 state that's inel sur rejection. am i missing something? >> the you will constitution provides basic rights. it allows the states to create rights for their residence. >> tucker: no i know you say you are a lawyer. >> not going to detain you or if you are working hard you can stay here. operate in oakland. >> tucker: now you are getting into what we want to be true. >> tucker: the constitution interpreted by the supreme court for more than 200 years to say that states cannot act against federal law. that is one of the oldest precepts in american law. if you are a lawyer i'm sure you know that. the point i'm making is this, people here illegally congress can change that. legalize them if they want. presence in violation of federal law. the mayor saying you may not participate with federal law enforcement, you have oppose federal law that ♪ workable. you cannot have that. that is an act of insur rex against the federal government. >> just because it's federal law doesn't mean it's constitutional. the supreme court and federal courts have ruled that one the president does not have the authority to reduce racial discrimination to target immigrants. one it's unconstitutional for the president to target sanctuary cities by defunding their government. >> tucker: you are actually missing. neither one of the -- hold on. i can't let you. >> ice targeting immigrants. they have rights. the constitution protects immigrants as well. >> tucker: federal government has a right to enforce federal law. federal immigration law has not been overturned by the supreme court. please don't make up fact on the show. those laws are still enforced. and the federal government by definition has a right to enforce them. the states do not have a right to subvert them. there's no argument about that what you are seeing is something that cannot stand. do you understand the fire they are playing it's cool because you think illegals should be able to stay here? that seems to be your core position. >> judiciary has shown that the states and the cities are the laboratory of democracy. the states have such power to do much more than the federal government has done. what we are seeing here as the city is saying we are going to push it back against overwearing overbearing government. >> tucker: you are getting your bumper stickers confused. i'm sorry. i'm not allowing to you teach american history on my show because you have failed the course. >> colonists that's why we had a colonial war. we had revolutionary. we pushed against. >> tucker: no offense. i wish you wouldn't say we. hold on, since you are not a citizen, actually. you don't get to see we. i'm sorry. you just don't. >> i'm an american. citizenship does not make me an american. >> tucker: it does. i don't know who told you that by the way. i don't know who told you that -- no, actually you become an american when you become an american citizen. that's the definition of it. i'm not attacking you as a person. i'm sure you are a great person and smart. we're different i'm an american and you are not. >> personal citizen. we are both americans though. >> tucker: that's not true. so oakland has all these other problems. and i'm not staying up late at night worried about who illegal aliens get arrested in oakland. i'm not to be honest. what i' m really worried about though is the people who run oakland care more about people there illegally than they care about the thousand of homeless that live on their streets. hundreds of homeless inner which. the u.n. went to oakland and said this is cruelty that you are doing to your homeless. spending time and money on behalf of people who aren't allowed to be here. do you see a kind of weird priority. >> i don't see a weirdness that the city of oakland is protecting all its residence regardless of immigration status. what we are seeing now if you want to talk about homeless people. talking about the trump tax reform that's benefiting the wealthy and the 1% and giving more tax break. that tax break should go into helping those homeless people. >> tucker: i'm sorry. i'm so silly. i don't think you should welcome a citizen or no offense. i would be happy to have dinner with you. >> go for dinner at nice mexican restaurant. >> tucker: thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> tucker: democrats answer the nunes memo is out. what is in it? 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case you haven't read it somebody who has is fox news correspondent ed henry. adam schiff made predictions his memo would blow the republican out of the water it hasn't. released 2nd. the obama and fbi justice department revealed on the dossier to can conduct surveillance of trump advisor. schiff put out a statement claiming the full truth i can't say not being told by the dem memo was blocked. schiff suggested the first fisa application to surveil carter page was not largely based on that dossier crafted by former britain spy christopher steele. he said in a february 2nd statement schiff, quote: the majority suggest that the fbi failed to alert the court as to mr. steele's potential political motivations or the political motivations of those who hired him, but he said that is not accurate except new democratic memo admits contrary to that statement the fbi and justice department did not reveal to the fisa court that the steele info was paid for by the dnc and the hillary clinton campaign. it does not disprove the nunes claim that former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe testified to the house intel panel they could not hav have gotten the approval to spay on page. it does not disprove the nunes claim relied on heavily not just one but four warrants against page. nevertheless, schiff still claims independent verification that led to the approval. also said steele was a trusted source. republican jason chaffetz today fired back that steele wouldn't even qualify to be in an austan powers movie let alone be the basis of such a serious thing as surveillance of an american citizen. tucker? >> tucker: ed henry. thanks a million. >> good to see you. >> tucker: mollie hemingway senior editor at the federalist and looked deeply into. this so many memos getting confusing. central question and ed had a quick take on it was after the nunes memo was the steele dodd yea, the buzzfeed document mostly unproved even now was that the basis for fisa court requests for surveillance. >> it's funny if a year ago you said you were worried buzzfeed doze dossier might have been used to secure a wiretap against a american citizen you might have sounded crazy. >> tucker: true. >> now why have this democratic memo that confirms in fact this does quay was used to secure a wiretap against a trump campaign affiliate. big story. >> tucker: schiff memo, the one that was going to blow up the nunes memo and make us realize trump was a russian agent confirms the steele dossier was used to get the wiretap. >> the way democrats say they admit it was used narrow use but the actual bulk of their own mommy shows this was a huge portion. the claim carter page went to moscow to meet secretly with russians that was a key part of the application to secure this wiretap. >> tucker: does the new memo knock down any of the claims from the nunes memo, do you think? >> well, the one thing that i think actually is to their benefit in their memo is that they say that the fisa application republicans didn't put that in there. that's a solid thing to say. there are many things that they actually confirm what that original house republican memo said. it's worth remembering it wasn't just the house republican intel committee memo, it's also now senate investigators came to the same conclusion agreeing with that nunes memo that there was fisa abuse. one of the interesting things about this new memo came out for a year we been told dossier so important and key. strategically leaked by obama people to legitimize it and say it was taken seriously. after a year being so much of our news cycle, adam schiff and other people were reading it into the record, you know, when they would have denial in hearings. now they are saying oh it wasn't a big deal. it wasn't a big deal at all. this is a dramatic turn around which suggests that they do not believe that the dossier is worth standing beside or standing behind and in fact we have been hearing from so many people that it is unverified and that the bulk of it is, you know, other than what was publicly reported had not been confirmed. >> tucker: am i just remembering this or is john mccain the first one that brought that dossier to the you will fbi. >> it is misremembering, the dossier was already in the fbi's hands. what we learned from one of the people who indicated the dossier. he gave testimony to the senate judiciary committee there were sort of two dossier operations. one was during the campaign. when that didn't accomplish the goal of keeping donald trump have being elected they ran a separate dossier operation to try and get it into the hands of james comey and other high level fbi officials. and that was where senator john mccain became key sending his associate to get the memo and get it back into the hands of the fbi consider it would be further weaponized more as a media operation then. >> tucker: when you take on the accomplishment, there are costs, i would say. >> there are. there is a lot more that remains to be seen on this. much more investigation that needs to happen. >> tucker: thank you for guiding us through that i appreciate it texas wrapped up. second year in a row transgender person took the title. venue for left wing science experiments. whatever happened to girls sports? 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boys have a massive physical biological advantage in a lot of sports. and if you allow boys to compete as girls, then what happens to girls? >> well, there is no girls sports then. but, you're right. just to go back to what you said, tucker, this may seem trivial and the slippery slope. it isn't actually. i would say this is actually one of the biggest stories of our time. perhaps the biggest. bigger than the budget deficit or whatever. you use the word gender in the introduction. in my day we used to talk about the sexes. when i was a school boy, name, date of birth, sex, and every errant school boy would put sex, yes, please. it was a standard boyhood joke and all the girls put sex female and that was how it was divided and somewhere along the way sex, the two sexes were abolished and replaced by the word gender. and in the course of that we lost not just the great school boy joke in a sense we lost that clear distinction and so we have replaced the two biological sexes with a multiplicity of genders. and the abolition of the sexes is, in fact, not a small thing. and this -- and the point of this wrestling competition, texas has responded to some of these modish fancies by saying no, only biological girls can compete in girls sports and biological boys. this is a way of saying whatever do you. whatever laws you pass to protect traditional sex rolls and girls sports and boys sports. we are going to ride a coach and horses through this anyway and you are done and it's over. it is one of the biggest stories of our time. >> tucker: i agree with that i think it has profound. that's why we do this story not for any purient reason. i'm fascinating by the idea that a small group of people can determine what the rest of us are allowed to say out loud about even biology. we're now required to lie about biology and we are punished if we don't. and how does that happen? no one really believes. this only about 8 people do and they are in control. how? >> well, i think that's what that's the other fascinating thing. you know, if you are a climate skeptic then the left demonize you and say you are antiscience. we are abolishing biology in a lot of this. what i find interesting about this. as you say there is only you say only 8 people believe this. how many believe it they are the only people that matter in the united states and europe and every other advanced society. frimple, if i were to misgender this girl who is transitioning into a boy. is there would be a twitter storm about how i misgenderred him or her and that was disgraceful and celebrities get hounded into this girl transitioning into boy on drugs that increase her strength and ruined the girl's state championship for all the undrugged, unsteroided girl wrestlers. and what i particular rye sent about this story, tucker, is the loss of seemingness in our society. if somebody wants to transition into a boy or transition into a girl, great. but, maybe that means you have to give up the wrestling. that you can't have everything take up the violin. not wreck a statewide sport for all the other participants. >> tucker: steep and true. mark stein, thank you, as always for that that was great. >> thanks a lot, tucker. >> tucker: finally crime is down, believe it or not, but rampage shooters are getting more common and it's really hurting the country in case you haven't noticed. the question is why is it happening? 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>> that's a good question. i think we under estimate the necessity for young people to have clear direction and a sense of purpose in their life need something to offset the tragedy and men november lens of life. we need to take these sorts of philosophical and religious issues seriously but we don't. >> tucker: do you think we are taking them less seriously than we used to? >> yes. definitely. i think we talk in the past we spoke much more about responsibility and responsibility in particular. but also purpose and maturity and we valued those things highly. we didn't confuse them with tyranny and toxic masculinity, for example. >> tucker: why is it all boys? >> boys are more aggressive than girls and there is a biological component to that that is quite strong. that's why the vast majority of people in prison are male. like on average there is not much difference in aggression between men and women. if you picked a random woman and a random man out of the population and had to bet who was the most aggressive. if you bet it was the woman you would be right 40% of the time. if you take the one in 100 most aggressive people and those would be the people in prison they are all men or virtually all men. also while males attempt suicide less frequently but they complete it successfully much more likely to use lethal means. biological component to that despite what the post modern social constructionists have to say about it they have their head firmly buried in the sand. >> tucker: they're resistant to the evidence and reality. we know that given that we know that boys are the one if there is a school shooting going to be committing it overwhelmingly. shouldn't would he be thinking about how to raise our boys in a way that they are less likely to do this? >> yeah. i think we should be thinking about that the book i published 12 rules for life is meditation on exactly that i have been lecturing online about the idea that responsibility is what gives life meaning and that that meaning is the antidote for the anihilism and aggression and resentment that can otherwise be produced. there is no life is difficult and get hurt and betrayed, that's unassailable truth. you need something to offset that and most people find that in their adoption of responsibility and make their own lives better and make their own lives better and contribute to the community and to bear the burden of being noblably. and that works why don't think that way anymore. >> tucker: you mention toxic masculinity. i'm not sure what that means but i have heard the phrase a lot. >> tucker: what does it mean in public conversation when someone attributes the shooting to toxic masculinity? >> an attempt to smear the idea of masculinity by confusing masculine confidence with tyranny. it's part of the underlying idea that our culture is a corrupt, tyrannical patey. run for the add van tapping of men. a pathological way of looking at the world but a very common one. and if that description is accepted. it means that masculine energy so, to speak, whether it's manifested by women or by men, masculine energy does nothing but prop up the tyranny of the parishy. and should not be fostered of the only people who think that way is women whose relationships with men have been extraordinarily damaged or men who have no idea who they are or who are trying to shirk responsibility. the idea that masculinity in its essence is somehow toxic is an absolutely dreadful idea. >> tucker: i'm glad i asked that you question. jordan peterson, thank you. chicago mayor rahm emanuel wants another term but he probably won't get it with his existing constituent. what's his plan for holding on to power? 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