Immigration laws. Can we salvage the functional nation from two groups that despise each other . Its a real question. Joining us tonight as a former new york city public advocate. He recently founded a shadow cabinet to oppose every action of the tromp administration. Thanks a lot for coming on. Thank you. Congratulations. You have left my career go. Talent plusen lock. I am walking on both. Tucker i have known you for a long time and i dont agree with your politics but i think you are smart and thoughtful. I want to talk you broughtht ths benefit wow specifically. There are always debates between the stateo and federal governmt as to who ought to have authority. That is the tension and the separation of powers, what you are seeing now seems to be different profoundly so. You have entire states, california among them, saying we dont recognize federal authority in important ways. Depending on what side youre on, that looks like the first couple of steps between permanent division. Ipe completely agree with yor opening, that we have not been as politically and culturally divided since the civil war. But do you blame the framers, as you implied, they built in a dispersion, not a concentration, power, between state and federal, you had to fightrt it t on particular issues. Of course, three branches of government. Right now, we have one Party Controlling all three branches in a sense. When you say that both partiesin kind of have been doing this, what is different, the country is divided on marijuana legalization, they were against her 20 years ago, now, they are for it. States vying. We have change roles. Of course, under obama, federal overreach, we got to stop it. T the tenth amendment. Now, we have states saying, no, no, no. We have to stop President Trump from overreaching when it comes to a muslim ban that he said wasnt but every judge has said it is. Every time he is in court, he appears to lose and then the bluster and attack the judiciar judiciary. A sore loser. Tucker i get the rhetorical point you are making. Here is what is different about what we have seen in previous generations. These are issues they are not being foughtnd out, argued over, debated in the congress, which is where t they ought to be. If you dont like the federal ban on possession of marijuana, change the law. You can change the law. Lead a crusade to do so. That is not what is happening. The states are saying i dont recognize your authority. That hasnt happened since the civil war. One of the things that precipitated the civil war and i would think, as a student of american history, you would see the consequences and doing it again. Nothing is like slavery. Youll admit that. Lets take the modern examples. Its not that democrats and california or elsewhere are saying, we will go our own way, sorry. The judges who unanimously ruled against trumps ban travel ban won into cited him as you can tighten the borders to keep us safe. By the president cant say it is based on religion and then they believe its not. That is why he lost. Tucker he were arguing the legal case, which is separate. I think i could crush you. We are not debating that. What we are debating now dash go lost in court, tucker what we are behaving now is the behavior of states and municipalities, not judges, politicians who areaw saying, i dont acknowledge the validity of your law, the power of your law. A sanctuary city is saying to the federal government, of laws that were based on a bipartisan basis, i am just not acknowledging it. That has not happened. Happens all the time. The constitutional law professor of harvard is among us in shadowing trump. Several months ago, he said to sanctuaryt cities, the regulatin that trump is imposing, we will find you and deny certain anticrime monies on the sea cooperate with us and affecting people who are allegedly here illegally. He said they will lose that. You cant coerce a locality to do something unlawful based on money with another program. Well, the judge agreed with him. Tucker, one more point. Tucker you are ignoring my point, we are not talking about the ruling of judges. We are talking about individual politicians. Thatat is something without rect precedents. To speak of the refugee ban wasnt because it immoral. D the president used a religious status. Tucker you are arguing a parallel and different case. I am saying that mayors who say that we are sanctuary cities, and contravention of federal law, saying we are are our in country. We are not subject to the laws passed in washington. You are exaggerating. Here is what is going on that is radical. Forgive me. Trump is legally the president , courtesy of the Electoral College favoring rural states to get the Constitutional Convention passed. And courtesy perhaps of james comey and putin. Eg tucker youre smarter than that. Let me finish. He is legally the president but he is such a blustery demagogue who utters these simplicities and he says, i am right. Lets see what the courtst say. Onethird less popular than any other president. Tucker this is not a relevant point. You are putting on display the problem itself. You are not actually engaging with the core question, which is, can california behave like its own country without consequence . Thats a polemical statement. Tucker a yes, they are. Two judges said that those two bans were illegal. You want to and wow ignore that . We have a radical, extremist president who was hated by a majority of the public. Guess what, democrats tucker let me ask you a philosophical question. I have heard everything you have said so many times. Let me ask you something that no one has ever answered. Here is my question. We are letting in morere i immigrants, and we have more immigrants than any country that any country has ever voluntarily admitted. Im not saying it is bad, but i am saying it is a source of division. How should we assimilate them . Newcomers should be taught what . The language, history, culture . How do we keep this country united . Tucker, you know that the rate of crime among refugees enter this country tucker ke thats not what im saying. It is less than that of domestic. The net immigration from mexico is zero tucker youre not answering the question. You always say that. Trump campaigned inside to 600 million tucker i am saying that countries in which people who live in the country and have nothing in common tend to break apart. We have more people in this country with less uncommon than any time in american t history. What will we do what about that . Has there ever been a president ever as divisive as donald trump . He attacks the media as enemies of the people. Yes or no . Tucker he just has a bad effect on some people and i would put you in that category. Think about the assimilation question. Mark, thank you for joining us. I will. Thank you. Tucker you can see right Police Standing by even now in berkeley, and california, where conservative author ann coulter were supposed to give a speech today. If you want proof that america is hurtling toward real division over ideas and culture, look no further than what we are looking at right now. Leftwing students and activist made it perfectly clear they are incapable of coexisting with alternative views. Remember when Milo Yiannopoulos tried to visit in february and this happened . [bleep] [chanting] tucker this week, ann coulter was forced to cancel a speech because the school would not provide a venue or a time and it was just too unsafe. You can tell there was some exaggeration looking at those pictures. As he can see, despite the cancellation, as hundreds of have taken to the streets anyway. Riot police are trying to give the situation under control. Ann coulters in San Francisco and she joins us now. Ann, just clarify for us, there has been a lot written about it, why were you not able to speak at berkeley . Well, they changed the rulesi every 10 minutes. I kept agreeing to all of their conditions. They were hoping i would cancel. But no matter how i would get it from a hot air balloon at three in the morning, and i kept saying okay, whatever you want. Then, they up and canceled. They randomly rescheduled it. Then, my allies turn tail and ran at the last minute when i m think we were about to achieve total victory. I didnt have any sponsors. I didnt have berkeley. Tucker your sponsors berkeley canceled, my sponsors acquiesced. Tucker is it fair to say bottom line att the threat of violence is what prevented you from speaking . That is what berkeley claimed, of course, [laughs] that is why we have a police force. That Insane Press Conference that berkeley administrators and captain alec see how come i think his name was, with a berkeley last week, the Police Captains argument was that we cant have ann coulter, there will be violence. I dont know. Call a cop. What is your job . [laughs] its like you are on a plane that is about to take off in the pilot says, how my supposed to get this thing across the country . That is your job. Tucker its your protectt your right to say what you think. What would you have said . I guess it is too late now. But you have a venue right here. What would you say . You are airing it exclusivel exclusively, my seditious and hateful speech was going to be a speech onn immigration. But the main point of which was, federal written law about immigration developed over. My generations should be enforced. Tucker that was it . That was the overall theme. Tucker i agree with you emphatically. W you were just going to say existing laws should be enforce enforced. Its topical to this week, i started a tweet today that i will be sending out every morning as we watch the news, the border wall updates, 100 miles built today, number of miles built since the inauguration, zero. Im a little annoyed, the Campaign Promise that shook up the political world, you would think if you are someone like paul ryan, after spending the entire Trump Campaign trying to undermine drum, and still, to have him elected,te and elected in a pretty stunning victory, winning wisconsin, paul ryans home state, something republicans have been won 20 years, including paul ryan from wisconsin was on the ticket, he would think the day after november 8th, november 9th, paul ryan wakes up and things i will start working on the signature promise that just won donald trump the election. And not delay until april 27th toto say that we will have to dp something from the wall. We dont want a government shutdown. I wrote in my column this week, they arewa not funding a wall to avoid a government shutdown. Not having a wall is the definition of a government shutdown. The basic purpose of government is to keep us safe. If we cant protect our borders, i would say that is a government shutdown. Tucker it does seem like a pretty basic question. A ann coulter, you always have a place to talk. Thank you for joining us. Thank you. Tucker something brandnew seems to be going on with free speech on campus and in thisl country. Here, charles krauthammer. Charles. When you are in the middle of Something Like this, things are going crazy, the question is, is this really a new thing . I have never seen anything like this. We saw some of it in the 60s, when the university administrators, the famous case at cornell, a riot with students carrying guns. By and large, administrations are supine and still are. The danger here is, we are reaching a situation where thugs, and for that matter, violence, but basically fascist gangs to shut down free speech. We talked about how dividedhe things are, even with what we eat and what we read. The one thing that he was due unitas, even in the bitterest of times in the 60s, people would say things like, i dont believe or support anything you say but you have the right to say it. That was a cliche. It almost became something that was s so obvious. Where has not gone . If you cant have the government guaranteeing the safety of speech, then we have lost the fundamental tenets of our society. If theres anything that you nights has, believe in the first amendment, believe in free speech. What makes us unique . Liberty and freee speech. If you cant get agreement on defending that, the obligation of any authority right now is to say ann coulter can speak and we will protect her. That is why we pay the taxes, that is why we have police. We are not going to allow fascist gangs this all started in europe and the 20s in 30s, they would literally obliterate their opponents to the point where they became dominant. Game over. Thisli is not mussolini. Nonetheless, it is veryca disturbing that in america, somebody cannot speak because there are thugs that threaten them. Tucker i agree with that completely. When i was a kid, i was reading a liberal magazine, i think r everyone at the time would agree with you just said. Where are those people . Where is the reasonable, sensible left to defend ann coulters right . Ou mark green is a very smart guy. He hasy had official positions n the government in new york city. He has run for theor mayor. It happens to the best of them. Tucker [laughs] e he was pretending that we dont really havee a president. He is a divider. I dont like him so i dont have to respect his authority. This is nuts. This doesnt happen. I think it is a sign of of the left will not stand up for their principles, we have a president , he is elected, he has authority, legitimate authority, we proceed from there, we have free speech, we should be able to speak and not get shut down. If we cant have agreement on most principles, we are in a dangerous situation. Civilization doesnt have enough confidence in its own righteousness in the end, we are all about floss, if we dont have that kind of civilization consciousness, we are done. Tucker i agree with you 100 . Thank you. You are feeling really bad . I am still a licensed psychiatrist, im happy to write you a prescription. Tucker [laughs] it you are the only one i get pills from, doctor, thank you. In the last year and a half, eight High School Kids have been murdered in s long island. What is needed to destroy the deadly skiing in america . Also, robbing more taxpayer dollars. He joins us in a minute to explain. Hat. Gentle dependable relief. 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We will devastate your networks, we willl starve your revenue sources, deplete your ranks, and to seize your. Tucker that is attorney general Jeff Sessions vowing to take many prisoners in the crackdown against ms13, the street gang. Tomorrow, the attorney general will be visiting long island, where the gang is suspected of murdering 15 people, including eight high school students. Yesterday, new yorkin announced that several state police will be joining an fbi task force. Steve, thanks for coming on. Great to be back, tucker. Tucker a lot of questions to ask. The first one is, why now . Ms13 is not a new phenomenon. Where was the federal government to three years ago . The federal government three years ago was allowing tens of thousands, scores of thousands of unaccompanied minors to come over the southernn border. Then, started allocating them throughout the nation. N. 4,000 of whom were settled in communities on long island. Many of us warned back then, this is a major mistake. Who thinks its a good idea out there that you will have 4,000 young people without parents, going into a community, and that will be either a financial or a safety perspective . We have 12 young people dead over thet last year. Not only because of that, but for other reasons that have been total failures on the part of local and federal governments. We see a change now with the new administration. I think this attorney general is very serious about enforcing our borders on cracking these gangs. They can do it alone. They need help from the locals. Tucker what you just said, i am sitting here and all, the idea that he would move unaccompanied teenagers into tight concentrations, clusters, and hope for the past, seems demented. Did anybody at the time say, wait a second, common sense addresses is a bad idea . So many of us did. A we warned that these things would happen. It was politicalun correctness n amok. Now, youhe have the attorney general coming and saying, we have to try to deal with this. Of the 13 people who were collared by local officials, police, for these crimes in the last year, ten of them are undocumented. At seven of them came here through that unaccompanied minor program. So, the attorney general wants to do something about it. If you need local cooperation. The same county administration that, five years ago, said that they no longer wanted to work with the fbi in dealing with gangs. It was a disaster. It allowed for ms13 to reconstitute itself. Fortunately, that heinous polity. My policy has been reversed. A lot of damage has been done. They are talking about meeting up with the attorney general and giving him a laundry list of various programs that they want defunded. That is fine. Tucker, we have to make sure we dont have it so much sociology 101 that we forget the Law Enforcement 101. The first list they should give to the attorney general is a list of every criminal illegal alien as of the incarcerated and challenge him to have them departed if they committed a Violent Crime immediately upon their term ending. Go back five years and find all the other gang members who were incarcerated and get them out of here, too, if they are here illegally. Tucker liberals are in favor of data except when it applies to immigration. Lastdo question. We tend to gauge the destructiveness of a group like ms13 by the murder rate because it is the easiest to keep track of. There has to be a lot of other effects. If you live in Suffolk County and you have Gang Activity in your neighborhood, what does that mean for you . Parents, students, they are terrified. These gangs take control over