manchin and kyrsten sinema. they forced the democratic party to moderate its positions and saved the filibuster. if they had gotten rid of the filibuster they would have remade america in a way that was unthinkable. if we get away with just a couple trillion in spending for conservatives and the most damage the democrats can do i will take it as a win. >> bill: 1.75 trillion is nothing and you can agree on that. talking to martha before the show began here. the social welfare spending bill is so massively complicated. if they were to go forward with the vote on infrastructure, would that second bill be dead in the water for good? >> i don't see why. i don't see why they haven't passed the infrastructure bill already. think about where joe biden is standing.