the fox news decision desk director joins us now. the first thing that jumps out at you? >> hillary clinton has had a fairly good two weeks. she had an okay week this week. trump had a bad week last week, an had own okay week, to a certain extent pence slowed clinton's momentum. but she has not really gained in the numbers, despite the fact she had a fairly good two weeks. charles: we have seen this where they have ebbs and flows. but they are within ranges. they have their own individual parameters. what is this going to take before we t a decive breakout? >> i was expected for them to be a trend to a breakout. but what you have in this election are two candidates which the majority of americans are uncomfortable with for different reasons. trump for temperament, hillary clinton in the case of trustworthiness. it's hard for either one of them to after they prove the other candidate is horrible and negative to get people to come into their corner. in the end people are going to have to do that. but for the time being they are refusing to take sides. charles: when you look under the hood there is something for both candidates. when i look at it, the strong support for him is at 70%. that's reflective of those gigantic crowds and the sort of enthusiasm we know he has. hillary clinton only had 57%. you have been at this a long time. is that enough to translate into voters showing up on election day? >> it's enough to translate into votersing up on election day if you have a strong get out the vote effort. in a commentator was laughed at because he said trump has our hearts he don't need a get out the vote effort, but in a sense he's right. charles: he has sort of defied conventional wisdom. some died in the wool told school republicans are gnashing their teeth. is it possible donald trump will defy the experts and people will show up in the numbers he needs? >> i think it's very possible. to me the best news or the worst news for clinton and the best news for trump is only 55% of americans think clinton is going to win. the higher that number is. trump is the candidate of change. the higher that number is, the more people will feel he's not going to be president. i really want change so i feel like voting for him. charles: is it a contrarian kind of thing? >> both. it's easier to make protest if you think your protest won't counts. charles: what's more important, knowledge for the job, temperament, honesty, or the larger issues? >> that's an excellent issue. in terms of knowledge and temperament, roughly 2/3 of voters in the new fox news polls say clinton has the knowledge and temperament to be president. nonetheless, those 2/3 of americans who think she has the knowledge and temperament, fully a third of them are not ready to vote for her. in terms of honesty, both candidates in this poll are doing fairly poorly. with more than half -- charles: 33:00 and 3%. isis, 52% think donald trump will destroy isis. from all i can see from the major issues where he has the most decisive lead. second will be the economy. >> the 50%. these are two of the top ranking issues in this country. we had the jobs report. it was a so-so number. >> it's very possible one of those attacks could cause a lot of people to go into the trump camp. even though they may not think he has all the skills. they think he has the aggressiveness to mount something very big which may not be effective, but it may be a real opportunities for trump. >> do you make anything of the independents swlipg for trump and going up for hillary clinton? is that a reflection of people thinking johnson as an alternative or does this reflect the last few weeks. >> it's clearly the number we should be looking at the coming three weeks, and we should be looking at the johnson and stein now see if they are declining or whether there is any movement. charles: if he doesn't decline's the ultimate teflon candidate. >> right now he's safe harbor. the new fox news polls come as the second presidential debate is two days away. if there was any doubt donald trump's running mate set the stage for him. take a look at this. 54% say mike pence won that debate. only 34% thought tim kaine won. that means only about half of the democrats feel their candidate won. kirsten, a slew of polls these days. i don't take one with a grain of salt per se. but they should be paid attention to particularly for momentum swings. >> a poll is a snapshot in time. these numbers are a reflection of the last couple weeks. then of course with breaking news today about recent comments about donald trump, then we'll seal new polls monday. we have to keep in minds that is a snapshot. it shows a way the american public is so torn between two candidates who are distasteful. we are seeing the importance of independent and millennial voters. hillary clinton has been fighting tooth and nail for these millennial voters who outnumber baby boomers. none of this has been easy for her. at the end of the day, this is going to be a fight to the finish. charles: fox didn't have it broken down by age. but earlier today quinnipiac did. hillary clinton had a 7-point jump. but i want to get on something you just mentioned. breaking news that just came out in the last 40 minutes. an old conversation donald trump had with billy bush. let's calm it a hot mic incident where he talked about trying to have texas with a married woman three months into his marriage with melania. he used vulgar language. very locker room kinds of stuff. almost immediately the trump campaign came out. his response. this is locker room banter, a private conversation that took place many years ago. bill clinton has said far worse to me on the golf course. if i apologize if anyone was offends. knowing his struggles with women voters, is that apology going to be enough and are we assured this will be vote up on sunday. >> it will be brought up sunday and that's his golden opportunity to apologize in a gracious way. i'm not sure what's going to happen. but he does need those suburban college educated white women voters. he needs them as a part of his coalition if he's going to win. women are more likely to turn out than men on election day. i think this is a disappointing thing for a lot of republicans. we were hoping he's going to pull back together his image with women. but he has a chance sunday to change people's minds. if he's able to do an about-face, that will be enough to help him slide into november with a little bit of a better view point. but at this point i'm not hopeful. but let's cross our fingers. charles: hillary clinton took the opportunity to respond to that. i want to show you her tweet. this is horrific, we cannot allow this man to become president. if she says this sunday, does this open the floodgates and does donald trump take the bait? >> he absolutely may. and this is hilo things have gotten. this is why these polls show such high unfavorable ratings for both of these candidates. and i will say that a lot of women that look at these polls and hear these things donald trump has said, this an epidemic of the way a lot of men in power talk to women and it needs to stop. charles: not to justify anything. some of the things he was allowed to do because of his stature. but people talk a certain way in private, all people. if we all had a hot mic we would be walking around with our heads bowed. >> of course. everyone says things they shouldn't have said. but he's got top respond and apologize graciously. let's make sure he does. charles: hurricane matthew barreling north after thrashing the coast of florida. we have the latest on the storm track and the situation on the ground next. charles: hurricane matthew striking the coast of georgia. millions are bracing for the impact as it churns up the coast. mayor, can you gives an update on the situation? >> we are feeling the storm already. over the last couple days it's been hard for us, you know, charleston is known as the number one hospitable city in america. to be asking folks to leave was against our natural grain. but the storm is upon us. now we just need to hunker down and ride out the storm. our city police and fire and public service or stations throughout the city and our fire stations and ready now for response and recovery is what comes next. >> i note governors of florida and south carolina have been pretty adamant about folks evacuating. and i know there has been a lot of resistance to that. are you satisfied enough people moved to a more safe areas? >> i applaud governor haley and her effort to mandate this evacuation. we have been 100% supportive in urging our citizens to leave yesterday and the day before. we were going door to door in people to leave. so i think it was effective. a goodly number of people stayed, and they need to stay out of harm's way. tonight we called a curfew from midnight to 6:00 in the morning to hopefully disallow folks from getting out in this terrible storm. charles: a state of emergency has been called in a couple of places. are you okay with where you are with the resources? i'm not sure how often you deal with this kind of a crisis. >> we got some solid training in 1989 when hugo came through town and we had a serious flood last year. we'll have to wait to see what the next 24 hours brings. we may need agigsal resources. the state and federal government reached out to offer their hand if needed. >> be safe and thanks for taking the time. >> i hope everybody comes out all right. thank you. >> we'll see you soon. now to the national hurricane center. ed, fill us in, where is the storm now and give us the degree of risk associated with it. we keep hearing the category numbers drop. is that a false sense of security? >> it is. the hurricane is at the upper end of category 2 and that's strong enough to cause great damage, potential loss of life as always greatest fear is from storm surge. right now the center is located 40 miles east of jacksonville. but its next stop or closest approach will be savannah and the charleston area. of particular concern for savannah and hilton head, it looks like the storm will be making landfall shortly after midnight which is at the time of high tide. if that's the case, we could see that 6-9-foot storm surge rise and the water will push inland, the greatest concern right now, the next great concern will be for the savannah and hilton head area. up the coast of charleston. if the timing stays as forecast, it may pass by there at low tide. of course, that could all change. but as we said, the next concern would be for the hilton head area. >> thank you very much. we appreciate. i want to go back to south carolina where myrtle beach mayor john rhodes joins us by phone. what is your disaster plan? do you feel comfortable with it? >> we just got out of a meeting with the cfc. unfortunately it has not turned to the east like we were anticipating, but it's like it's hanging close to the coast. and we'll be getting some winds stronger than we were counting on. but we have compensated for that. we hunkered down and let people know if they are not evacuated 20 please get out tonight. we'll start getting hit about 3:00 in the morning. charles: i spoke to janice dean, our fox meteorologist. she feels the storm surges could be most life-threatening. are you comfortable where you are to deal with that? i'm not sure this an issue you guys have to deal with routinely. are you prepared for them? >> we are about as prepares as you can get. your hotels, it looks like this surge is what they are talking about with 15-20-feet breaking waives. then we are going to have some flooding in the oceanfront area. but fortunately a lot of the hotels have just started with rooms on the second floor, usually the garage is on the first floor, that kind of stuff now. charles: with smelters and being able to evacuate folks. how is the power situation. if you have massive power outages, what's your plan to deal with that? >> we have shelters right now. we have generators, schools and so that's the big if. we have 10 shelters that are open. and 300 people in shelters in myrtle beach. you go out from the beach to florence and they have people that moved and snaid shelters. i think overall they will be as prepared as you can get. we have been before this before. our guys have plenty of experience. i think the thing now is educating the people, they moved into myrtle beast last 5-6 years. this is serious business. don't get excited a because it's a hurricane and think you want to sit there and, you know, just be a part of it. if you can get out, get out right now. charles: best of luck do you and thank you for spending time with us. charles: coming up. medicare's costly mixup that benefited 500 people living in this country illegally. a used , truck, suv. that's smart. truecar can help. it's great for finding a new car, but you already knew that. it's also great for finding the perfect used car. you'll see what a fair price is, and you can connect with a truecar certified dealer. so, no matter what you're looking for... there it is. this is how buying a used car should be. this is truecar. ♪ there goes my sensitive bladder. sound familiar? 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>> no. $150,000 worth of chemotherapy over 15 months. they're required to provide 15 months of care. meanwhile, seniors are getting hassled in the emergency room, put on observation care, handed big bills. vets are hassled. we need a change in priorities here, but mrs. clinton is calling for more spending on illegals. charles: jillian we juxtapose this particularly with the vets, this angers americans across the political aisle. >> absolutely, bottom line this should not be happening. it's no surprise that there's waste, fraud and abuse within the poorly managed health care system, we've seen this again and again, i want to say a caveat. singling out illegal immigrants is not helpful and productive. there have been studies done by harvard medicine. charles: why shouldn't people point out illegals? >> because i think the bigger problem is with americans gaming the system. this is divisive rhetoric, if you look into it, illegal immigrants pay more into medicare than they take out. it's by about $3 billion a year, that's a harvard study. charles: do you believe that, betsy? >> i don't believe it's divisive rhetoric. i think the fact is that the president promised americans when he sold the affordable care act we would not be spending a lot of money providing care for illegal immigrants. it was an issue that americans wanted to know about before they supported that law. charles: he did a special joint session of congress. >> that's right. even in the law itself there are provisions for community health centers. millions of dollars for the community health centers. they served almost exclusively illegal immigrants. charles: do you -- do you buy into the argument jillian that illegals are attracted to the country in part because of the medical care, the school care, all of the freebies, you roll out the red carpet, you know, if you take away, that you probably wouldn't need a wall. >> i think there are things that we can do, i'm very much in favor of immigration platform that expanded legal immigration while taking away benefits. i have met enough immigrants that want to do that. they're much more entrepreneurial than other populations, they start more businesses than natural-born citizens. i want to encourage that. is the welfare a program? absolutely. not all immigrants are doing this. >> no, but i think we have to look out for seniors and vets. when you go into an emergency room, you see a big sign on the wall, every hospital, that says we must treat you regardless of immigration status. well, that's okay if we had resources for everybody. when you're telling seniors, i'm sorry, you've got to pay a big bill, and vets you have to be treated at the va, we're hassling people who have paid in their whole lives and deserve the care and not asking questions of people who come from another country. >> in all fairness they get treatment. emergency room treatment, they'll get it. charles: certainly it's a divisive and expensive issue as well. thank you very much. coming up, what did the white house been hillary clinton's e-mail habits and when did they know it? and by the way, did the white house try to cover them up? someone here is nodding their head. because, healthier doesn't happen all by itself. it needs to be earned every day. using wellness to keep away illness. and believing a single life can be made better by millions of others. as a health services and innovation company optum powers modern healthcare by connecting every part of it. so while the world keeps searching for healthier we're here to make healthier happen. ...as a combination of see products.. and customers. every on-time arrival is backed by thousands of od employees, ...who make sure the millions of products we ship arrive without damages. because od employees treat customer service... ...like our most important delivery. od. helping the world keep promises. across new york state, from long island to buffalo, from rochester to the hudson valley, from albany to utica, creative business incentives, infrastructure investment, university partnerships, and the lowest taxes in decades are creating a stronger economy and the right environment in new york state for business to thrive. let us help grow your company's tomorrow- today at business.ny.gov mshe said i should think of my rteeth like an apple. it could be great on the outside not so great on the inside. her advice? 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>> they would not be told which questions they would be able to ask or not be able to ask. number one. dana perino who worked in the george bush white house said this can happen. remember this is state and the white house. this is not the clinton campaign and the white house. it was four months before she announced her run and, of course, they knew she was going to run. we have to be careful how we analyze this and not put too much wrongdoing into something that frankly happens all the time. charles: if this was -- [ laughter ] . charles: betsy, go ahead. >> look, i've been in government. i've been in the private sector, i've run a not-for-profit. and whenever i left any of those positions, i never erased the record of what i did while i was on that job, and that's what we get to. all the people listening know when i leave work, do i erase my e-mails so nobody knows what i did on my job? that's the malicious part. >> i want to point out what we're seeing today is more of the same from both candidates. we have hillary clinton not being transparent, not being honest. charles: here's the thing, jillian. >> you also have trump -- charles: the idea that perhaps the mainstream media has been complicit and the white house knew a lot more about the saga including the president using an anonymous e-mail handle to communicate on that same private e-mail server that he asked hillary not to get but did get because she didn't respect him enough. that's the narrative people are saying. >> this notion she somehow dumped all the e-mails and deleted the e-mails is not true. her own team decided what was personal and what was not. charles: who are they pitching for? >> they are professional criminals. >> it's shady, pretty shady. >> sounds bad and i have the job of unwinding this for you. this was part of the service done in colorado. the deletion was done -- >> they worked for her, they worked for her. >> here's what i think is really important as we're talking about the broader application in politics right now. it takes so much explaining to go through the clinton scandal, with what's happening with trump, reinforcing his character, the problems we've known all along. you can sum it up in a word, you can't say it on tv but these are flawed candidates. charles: at the end of the day, talking about the secretary of state, understanding what her job was and circumventing that and ignoring the roles. >> no matter what job you have, you leave the records intact when you move from that job to something else. >> unless you don't want people to see those. special programming note, fox business will have special coverage of the next presidential debate sunday, trish regan, lou dobbs, neil cavuto, all with the expert analysis of donald trump and hillary clinton's next major face-off sunday at 6:00 p.m. on fox business. stocks ending the week in the red after a weaker-than-expected jobs report. my market commentary and what it means for the market and the economy is next. is it a professor who never stops being a student? 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the market, the economy, the market spinning its wheels? >> you know, charles, the job numbers according to stanley fischer was very close to being ideal, and i think one of the things we have to take into consideration to all the numbers we saw today is the bar for all the economic data has been lowered to an incredibly low level. i mean no one seems to want to talk about 2% gdp growth for the last seven years. so we have to keep it in perspective. i thought one of the best signs, one of the good things that i saw out of these numbers was the unemployment rate going up to 5%, meaning a few more people coming back into labor participation. obviously, we need to see that in order to see a real recovering economy, so we're still in 1978, but nonetheless, it did go up and i think that's a good sign. charles: millions of people dropped out in the last year, 3 million people have come back. the frustrating spartthey're having a tough time finding those jobs. we want to see people hit the brakes because it makes it work, six million jobs are out there to be had. before i let you go, dan, thoughts on the market? no more big economic indicators. what moves this market over the next couple of weeks? >> i think what's going to move it is uncertainty and fear about the elections that it's probably not going to move it in the right direction. we're going to continue to see some concern, we're entering the heart of earnings season and we could be staring at the sixth straight quarter with negative earnings reports. and more than that, revenues. we've got to look at profitability in the earnings reports and same-store sales in the retail sector and those kinds of things. charles: again, because the bar is set so low, a company like the gap be accepted as a great number. the low expectations, to your point, stock takes off. dan, have a great weekend, buddy. >> charles, thank you, good seeing you again. charles: see you soon. the smithsonian erects national museum dedicated to black culture, but one notable figure is missing. turns out maybe discrimination is alive and well. guess what guys, i switched to sprint. sprint? 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it's really outrageous that when you really dig deep, you don't have to dig that deep, and look at clarence thomas' story and read how when he was at the eeoc, he settled a $40 million lawsuit, a discrimination lawsuit against general motors and gave $10 million to historically black colleges and universities. this is not a man that hates being black. charles: but crystal. >> you know? charles: i know. the idea if you're black in this country, must be a certain kind of black person or you are deemed not black or not black enough. this is just -- here's a guy who doesn't think like the herd and he's punished for it. >> he's not only being punished, he's being treated the way black liberals have a problem with the way blacks were treated by slave owners. this is the way clarence thomas people, by lonnie bunch who is the director of the national african-american museum. and i hate calling it that because i think it should be called the national black museum because we are black americans. we are not from africa. yes, we had roots from slavery, but that's another story. you know, and really what one other point you left out too, that's insulting to the supreme court justice thomas is that the only mention that he gets in that museum is the smear of his good name in the anita hill case, which everyone knows really people come out on both sides of that. you had people testify at his hearing that, that never happened. he didn't sexually harass anita hill. i'm not going to relitigate that. that is disgusting, the second black person appointed to the supreme court is relegated to a sexual harassment lawsuit. and a mention, a footnote. charles: hopefully the people, including oprah will look in the mirror and figure they're being hypocrites on this one. up next, the foreign terror threat that is here and bad and scary. we're going to break it down for you next. my business was built with passion... but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on all of my purchasing. and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... which adds fuel to my bottom line. what's in your wallet? . charles: america's homegrown threat. an analysis done by the daily mail found in one year, 62 people living in america have either launched isis inspired attacks or accused of plotting them. the report says they were responsible for 48 attacks or isis inspired activities ranging from san bernardino, the massacre to funneling money to places like syria. joining me to discuss, andrew peak, and today in our "fox news poll." donald trump overwhelmingly favored as the person who can destroy isis once and for all. the hard part may not be in the battlefields over in the middle east but eradicating them from our own country. >> absolutely right. the pressing question is do our egalitarian principles mandate we treat immigrants equally even though some commit terrorism more than others. we have to protect americans first. i thought mike pence did a good job of pointing this out. hillary clinton is largely hedged on this question, and i think with each additional terrorist attack and the indicators are that terrorism from homegrown threats is getting worse not better. she is going to be pressed more and more to offer a concrete answer. charles: how do we call this? we've had this discussion so many times sadly, usually after one of the incidents have occurred, because it boggle the mind to think that someone cama a child from a war-torn country with nothing, and in many cases they're living the american dream that they despise so much. that they kill people who might have thrown her a birthday party the week before. >> two things can you do. one you have to provide the intelligence community the resources it needs. under the obama administration, funding overall for the ic has declined over 20%. that's got to be turned around. secondly, this is not a popular opinion by the way, i think there's a limit to what america can accomplish overseas. this phenomenon of radical islam that affects not only certain immigrants but the american raised children of the immigrants is something we can't reverse by ourselves and thus we have to contain a little bit and prevent the damage from reaching our shores. charles: since it is ideological battle, should we buckle in and be prepared to fight it for a long period of time? >> absolutely. you know the fight against communism took 50 years and 160 years if you want to reach back to when karl marx wrote the communist manifesto. fascism took half that long. we've only been at war with radical islam 15 years or so. i don't want to be too gloomy on a weekend but we have a long ways to go. charles: thank you, andrew. >> thank you. charles: catch us every night at 6:00 p.m. if you can't see the show, dvr it. we have a big weekend with the debates. one of the guys that's going to carry you through it is lou dobbs. lou: good evening, everybody. hurricane matthew battering northeast florida and georgia tonight, driving rains, high winds, a ferocious storm surge, as it barrels up the atlantic coastline. the hurricane staying just far enough offshore to spare central florida, a direct hit. but the focus now on potentially serious flooding in jacksonville, florida, georgia and the carolinas. matthew weakened slightly overnight but it is still a category 2 hurricane, maximum winds of 110 miles an hour. we will