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blows ukraine suffered in the east and don bass region, the mayor of david odon, yet confirming that russia now capture to that key city. how big of a setback in school ukraine? well of course it is a fed back for ukraine, but no one's governor again. i had, i had to stead a doctor, actually the troops were regrouping. so he said there was no point even to situation to stay in san antonio itself. that out of the choi, her already does her most no inhabitants say left. so it's for has more of a change of tactic rather done than, you know, said my father, you find an armed forces. now this is are all very far away from water on ukraine. right now, but the g 7 leaders in a very i me that, that you, i really would be yes. 31st. i have a minute just to stay save, do say safe and thank you so much emanuel. shes reporting their life from kia, from the part of the city that has been attacked on for us. it's now time oh for some other stories making headlines at this hour, ecuador was president, has lifted a state of emergency that he imposed on the parts of the country in response to anti government protest. on saturday, officials held talks with indigenous leaders of the protest movement. for the 1st time, 6 people have been killed in unit 2 weeks of demonstrations against rising fuel and living costs. the e. u and iran say nuclear talks will restart in the coming days. the block is hoping to salvage a 2015 accord between iran and world powers. the international nuclear watchdog recently warned that iran has accumulated almost all the materials needed to build a nuclear bomb. getting heavier sandstorm here to the city of air bill in northern iraq, sandstorms are regular currents and iraq. but there severity has increased due to soil degradation, high temperatures and low rainfall linked to climate change. human rights groups have called for an investigation into the death of at least 23 african migrants who were trying to enter the spanish enclave of malea. they were part of a mass attempt to climb the board. a fence and local rights groups as moroccan. security forces used unjustified force to soften norway has raised it's terror alert to the highest level of this comes after 2 people were killed and more than 20 wounded in a shooting rampage during pride. week in our slow police have arrested one's aspect and are treating the incident as an act of islamist terrorism. saturday's pride parade in the city was cancelled, but a protest march was staged instead o protests on the streets of our slow in support of l. g. b. t q writes, following an overnight shooting near a gay bar in the country's capital. gunfire erupted at around one a. m local time in the cities busy night life district. a 42 year old man is in custody. believe say, the suspect a norwegian citizen, originally from iran, was known to them young, especially when a li perpetrator has a long history of violence and threats. when the wage and police security service has known him dating back to 2015. when there were concerns that he would be radicalized and joined an extreme islamist contract network in norway miss disk clintock network. you know you authorities or calling it an islamist terror act on the advice of police organizers and called off osler's pride march. due to take place on saturday, it's a very dark day in sun, the all slo, because we have expected a lively and ah, answer sassik parade and through our streets, or people celebrating pride of the 3 years or pandemic on the other standstill. instead we have a dark day where terror struck all slow this night. lag it is on there. it's cruel . it's very sad that people have to go around being afraid of being who they are. ah, is it about you getting most get like know about hi. i will just cheer even louder and show even more people. what we are, who we are, we should be proud of that were thousands of people took to the streets in a spontaneous march of solidarity. despite the pride parade being canceled, police say the suspect is being held on suspicion of murder, attempted murder and terrorism. the motive is still under investigation. ukrainians were among the many l. g, b, t, q activists who took to the streets of war. so on saturday, due to russia's war in ukraine key, if pride was held this year and the polish capital in conjunction with warsaw annual equality parade. ah, it was a party atmosphere on the streets of warsaw. what tens of thousands gathers for the annual equality parade. the algae bt community in poland still face is significant discrimination morsels meth ruffled. shall skull ski, who has often been at loggerheads with the polish government over l. g. b t q writes, was defiant. we got another g as we welcome our friends m t. we welcome you, glory to ukraine. i am glad that we can celebrate together to above all, bear witness to the fact that there is the vast majority of polish men and women who are open minded, tolerant, and european. and above all, they have respect for absolutely. everybody does, and i all thought they were this year. keep pride has teamed up with the event in the polish capital organizer said that aim was to keep the spotlights on bushes invasion this year. robin martin fell human rights lousy b, d. i'm people we're marching for human rights. that has been taken from us by rushing aggressive after the politics. it was time for the party with the streets of morsel, transformed into a colorful catwalk and ukrainian comedian is raising money for the war effort by performing in a key of comedy cellar, which also doubles as a shelter. doing russian bombardments did abuse rebecca writ as went to meet the man who was fighting back against the invaders with laughter. yeah, this is our comedy seller in your graham. oh, my country cellar now do tell the truth because of bombay. an ann rodriguez. all this stuff, so it's really easy to find audience 1st and last because yeah, you just, gov and people here. oh ukrainian stand up comic and tom tymoshenko is weapon ising . his comedy fighting russians with jokes on youtube. lim, lost any of my life. i was raising money to have a flat. so in key if. yeah, mo, emery's in my interview or this. huh. he hopes his set of english punch lines will help raise money from abroad. but here in this comedy club in central keep his war . if it is live o, twice a week, he takes to the stage to perform for a local crowd who show up air raid sirens, not they lap up ukrainian language versions of gags like this one. the finest country in europe is germany, because when we ask for a weapons to german yourself, we don't have enough urban to share. oh, come on germany. ah, come on. my grandmother said you have a lot of. oh, he's comfortable joking about an old war. but his mindful of what's happening outside his comedy seller. it's difficult to joke about variable, for example, about boucher or about sir. the most soldier sam in lot of fine. if staff can be on the bottle, feel bad. i'm not on the battlefield. their army defense me and that's why i can joke if i don't want to talk about them through ticket sales and donations. he's raised more than 2000 euro sending the money to friends on the front lines. the show, the hit with pumped his to, i know it's horrible and the only way we can survive is to say, positive about like something. anything isn't really house, you know, they strong survive. which a hard time. you know, i think your brain are a nation good. you are and we will relax and we are just like even touch time. and he says he hopes he's human can be healing, but admits to me after the show, the whole thing is taking it's toll. people cyrus and i'm sorry to about that, like 2 months, i had a lot of energy to say and evicted the lee of that human change the stuff. and then you have the more for 4 months and more and more and more and more. start to feel sorry, and i even sometimes start to see like not through much result and jokes are not tells him that he has more gigs planned and for now his show will go and recopying out of story at this hour for you g 7 leaders are in the area for the groups annual summit, 2 are expecting the host german chancellor will have sholtes. and you as president joe biden, to speak to journalist soon, and we will bring you that press conference live, of course, as soon as it starts. and shelton bite not holding bilateral talks are on the side lines of the main meeting. and here the studio with me to follow the events is that you'd be political, corresponded thomas barrow, who actually used to also be a correspondent in washington. and it's quite interesting that we heard that earlier, that this is the very 1st visit of joe biden, since his presidency to germany has significant is that it is indeed significant. and it also comes at a time when relations between germany and the u. s. are in high point, you may remember that especially during the presidency of donald trump relations between both countries, suffered one problem after the next, even before that, during the presidency of barack obama. there were certain differences between both countries. i do expect that in this bilateral meeting, some of the issues where they may be not c, i to, i will still be discussed. but when you look what they will say in that press conference afterwards, i do expect that he will all be about is renewed relationship between germany and the u. s. renewed relationship in light, also of russia's aggression, as they call it, also in support of ukraine. and there are certain elements of that relationship where i think the united states is quite happy with the way germany is doing things . for example, they're all f shows his announcement that germany would increase military spending, something that the u. s. had for a long time wanted, or the fact that germany is also sending weapons to ukraine. something that the u. s. t drive from the beginning. so elements where the u. s. certainly sees germany going in the direction it would like to. so i do expect these elements to be discussed during the bilateral meeting that they will also be addressed. obviously in the press conference after will know very, very soon. thomas sir? sparrow. thank you so much sir. and of course sir, we'll keep an eye and an ear on that. and then press meeting because yes, the big question was, what is at stake? this year's g 7 in germany and our chief political editor, michela griffin. i spoke to denise noah. he's the co head of the i think, 7 and to president of global solutions. and those initiatives bring it together, leading think tanks to develop policy recommendations for g 7 lead us lesson in mrs . noah ukraine is the over arching issue here. can any kind of breakthrough be achieved at this kind of gathering? i think this is a particularly important gathering, particularly because of russia's invasion of the ukraine. the world is dividing, and these divisions threatened the multilateral world order. and just now we have multiple crises that can only be resolved on a global level. climate change, food crises, energy crisis, health crises, all only global. and therefore, i think it will require particular foresight from the leaders to understand that while we insists that the rule based multilateral order beamon taint, we still keep open all channels of communication that will allow different nations to gather together, to tackle global problems at the global level now there's also a lot of symbolism here. it is essentially the west that wants the signal that it won't be divided. what concrete outcome would you expect? there is a lot of symbolism here, and i believe that chancellor schoultz has had the insight that this symbolism needs to be turned around. the g 7 represent the rich countries, but he has invited many of the important developing countries to the table. and therefore, it's clear that the g certain wishes to work in conjunction with the g 20 and the wider world to solve these problems. and his idea of climate clubs is exactly in the spirit. the spirit is, we want common objectives, but we want to understand what do developing countries need from the developed world. so that together we can share the same ambitious objectives. that is a very promising approach to multilateral us synagogue. here for instance, it holds the presidency of the african union. india is well energy sausages everywhere. also acute concerns about food shortages. what will the d 7 have to actually offer them and put on the table? i believe if everything goes well, the g 7 will realize that they need to offer lots in the way of technology transfer all the financial support, but in return for verifiable pursuit of common goals. so with regard to the environment, it's very clear we need goals concerning the seal to missions that needs to be shared globally. but developing countries need the means to enable them to pursue those goals. the g 7 could become the place where this is made possible and then taken to the g 20, where this ideas finalize. now, germany, the world health organization said is only one of 2 countries that have paid their fast share when it comes to global vaccination initiatives. what kind of messes do you expect from all f salts towards his rich industrialized country peers? i believe the message that needs to be done is we cannot afford to do the same again as we've done this time. the rich countries have basically taken the resources to protect themselves and have not left enough for poor countries. this does not mean that we should focus entirely on an equal distribution of vaccines. we need to make sure that the production capacity as well as the distribution capacity is dispersed across countries. so that when the going gets law in countries feel tempted to close their borders. other countries are able to pick up on the pieces and fend for themselves. and so in providing the physical capital, the human capital to know how that will enable developing countries to protect themselves against the next and dynamic. we can make real progress and make sure that we attack this in the proper perspective. which means a global perspective. the problem can never be solved on our with regard to pandemic unless it is resolved everywhere. right, dennis noah, co head of the think 7 initiative and head of the global solutions initiative. thank you very much. as we're following the start of the g 7 summit in southern germany and we already can see some live pictures there as we wait for the u. s. president joe biden, and the german chancellor will of schultz for that press meeting. i'm now joined by a d dot political correspondent, thomas farrah, who is here in the studio with me and dw brussels bureau chief alexander for nomine, who is, as we can clearly see, in the bavarian alps aware that the summit is taking place on alexander. we've just been listening there to a dentist. no, or there's talking to d, w. it's a crew from that. and he was talking all for a symbolism and a new approach to multi lateralism. and what keeping an eye on this press meeting that is about to start very soon. ok. how can de g 7 solve the problems are for the g 20? because obviously that is a kind of approach. a new approach that the german chancellor is trying to attempt well, you totally write status, what the german chance chancellor is trying to do here. he invited partner countries from africa, from latin america to this meeting because according to all of shoulds, it is important not only to focus on the west, it is important in his view, also to have her to pay more attention to their big democracies in asia and africa and latin america because they are not only impacted by what is going on when we, for instance, speak about her disruptions in food deliveries or climate change. there are of course, countries that needs to be included when we talk about, as i said, tackling climate change for instance. so that is why he invited then them and of course there is said the other issue of the g 20 as you just mentioned, indonesia and india, the incumbent and upcoming presidencies of the g 20 are also here because of course the g 7 wants to into convinced them that it's important to hold vladimir putin a carnival and they wanted to speak about chance to maybe exclude russia from the g. 20. this is definitely on the agenda here. yeah, because obviously vladimir putin has been explicitly invited by the indonesian president a thomas. do you think that they will actually use the g 7 or the g 7 leaders in order to persuade to the indonesian president to do otherwise? and would that be wise to do that now? well, they will probably discuss that behind closed doors. i do expect that to happen, but i would 2nd alexandra when she stresses the importance of these partner countries. when it comes to discussing some of the more meet the challenges that they have at stake. now, just one concrete example, argentina, the argentinian leader has been invited to the g 7 summit. and there's discussion that has been discussion actually already in the past. when the president visited berlin to see what argentina could do when it comes to food security, argentina, just as ukraine is a very big grain producer. and where if we think about ukraine's grains that are stuck, that they can't be exported than this. obviously the point as to whether argentina could maybe try and fill the gap at least a little bit. there are internal issues in argentina. that would make this a little bit more difficult, but that's another matter altogether. but it is all about understanding that the challenges that we're seeing now and not only about the g 7 and not only about the developed world and not only about what's happening in ukraine. the impact of what's happening in ukraine can clearly be felt in other parts of the world. and the question here at the g 7, an air mo, his how to tackle those global challenges. could this be the birth of the new format? we had the g 7, we have the g 20. is this now a sort of fur a merger of both that? i think that's too early to say. i don't think that may be one of the goals that we're seeing here in previous summit's. your so saw invited countries. so this is not necessarily something that you see for the very 1st time you have been a for in a summit. but in general, it is about it is about addressing challenges that go beyond the immediate. and that was something that, by the way, the german government had also stated, even before the war began, when they assumed the presidency of the g 7. if you look clearly at the goals that they had back then they had 4 or 5 goals that they presented and it was all about climate change about economic recovery, about global health. those topics will also be discussed by the way, where we're talking now 1st and foremost about ukraine, about possible sanction on russia, about measures that could help reduce the impact of what's happening in ukraine for countries around the world. so not only for europe, for the united states or canada, it's really about understanding the global impact of all this. now just to bring after speech, those who are joining us now, this is a life coverage here and g, w of the g summit to kick off if you like, in germany and alexander phenomena dw brussel bureau chief is in elmo in southern germany to keep an eye on the events there were waiting right now for you as president joe biden. and german chancellor will have shots to come to a press, breathing air. they're held in a bilateral talks and alexander, obviously there is a huge crowd or huge press crowd. there were a big media attention. it's joe biden's, very 1st visit to germany since his presidency. and when we talk about the, the top issue, ukraine as a thomas already mentioned, which is heading the agenda of this d 7 summit. will it be any surprises in store will the, to perhaps in their talks decide on collective military and humanitarian support for ukraine and also then put that on the table for the other g 7 lead us whole military support for ukraine as well as her father long term economic support, those 2 topics are definitely on the agenda here and presumably at the you as president and a german chance or are going to speak about that. what is also interesting is that joe biden is expected to praise germany's leadership peer. we know that the german government has been under some criticism for delivering to little too late for, for being to hasn't turned when it came to the support of the ukrainian government . and i think it will be very significant if that happens for the you as president, president, to praise the german government for its role in supporting ukraine. and they will, of course, speak about sanctions, about ways, how to keep up the pressure on russia, how to make sure that it will be more and more difficult for the russian president to wage war in europe. you saying that joe biden praises a german at leadership, but germany and in particular will have shelter. german chancellor has come under a lot of criticism for his somewhat not very straightforward stance on how germany, in particular should react to the russian war against ukraine. can we expect a tougher law shoulds during this g 7 summit? well, we'll see what we can say for sure is that it's been a process for all of shoulds to, to change had stands after announcing and about faith in germany's foreign and fans . policies took a quite a time for their german government to promise their requested to have you weapons for ukraine. they were very hesitant in the beginning saying that germany would not provide any heavy weapons than promising, heavy weapons. and dan, it's took a long time to get them actually to the battlefield in ukraine. and now we know that the 1st self propelled howitzers have been deliberate. and it was an issue that the german chancellor was not one of the 1st leaders, 2 visits a key if it took quite a long while for him to be there and to speak directly with the ukrainian president . so it will be very interesting whether we will see a toughest hands here. i think what it will be important that it is important for the german government to make sure sure that all the g 7 leaders will be on one page here and that we will see a signal unity and not breaking down. not, you know, a hesitating just making sure that they are on the one on one page when it comes to keeping up this pressure on the russian government. or i think you, alexandra and thomas barrow here in the studio with me is already fidgeting. because obviously you really keep an eye in german politics and he would like to add something to that. i don't think all of shows will be much harder, much stronger than when he has already been. and there are reasons for that. one is that he was actually elected us, the german john center. people voted for the party that he represents because he's someone known to a german public. he is not unknown territory. so they know his style of leadership and i don't think he will deviate from that style of leadership. said, i do expect that he will have to present something. i mean, he can't just come out empty hand in as a look. this is the communique that we all agreed on, very nice words and so on. there is a lot of stake for a left shots and his government here. let's remember that. remind our viewers that all have shots has been in power actually for only a few months. he replaced anglo merkel in december. he had a very, very ambitious plan of government. hundreds of pages of a document which they basically then had to at least temporarily put to the side when the war began. and since then it's been one move after the next. they've describe it here in germany has sort of citing vendors or change of time or of era and that change of the rise or something that we're seeing here in our mouth, assuming that he will tell it i'm clear is actually the man of thomas farah. that we've been talking about just now or left shows her arrived at the press center and l. now, in southern germany, he still seems to be enjoying the view, apparently waiting for you as president joe biden. because sir, the 2 of them are expected to deliver the press conference together. um and we are covering that life for you as well, of course. so um it thomas and the fact that it as they seem quite relaxed, there are the fact. but this is the sort of impression that all i've showed sir, is given quite a lot of enjoy lucretia. he wants to give the impression of being relaxed of waiting. they also had apparently breakfast before this meeting, a bavarian breakfast we, i think now see joe biden may be on on his way and we are expecting them to deliver those remarks. i imagine that in those remarks, as alexandra mentioned from emma, we will hear that. so, revival of the bilateral relationship of how important it is, how both countries are on the same page when it comes to supporting ukraine or fighting against her russia and through different means. we can expect also both leaders to rest some of the global implications of this and for the german government in particular for the german chancellor. as i was saying, it is really a very important summit. it is a summit where the german chancellor will have to demonstrate whether he has enough clout, whether he has enough influence in the international stage to bring those very important countries together when it comes to dealing with the war and its impact. so i do expect in that statement to hear a lot of friendly words when it comes to, to both leaders also to germany's leadership. some that bobby joe biden will stress about how the bilateral relationship has evolved in their, in recent months, how he has changed. when, when you compared to previous administrations, it's also important that one of the key images of america merkel, it'll be interesting to see what images they show now. and there he is. he was present joe biden. they are shaking the hand of the german chancellor and also enjoying the view. and i think we will go live to that press conference is one very, very quick question, thomas? is it significant that this g 7 starts with those 2? it is significant and it is significant because as we mentioned, there was a very iconic image. one of the most iconic images of anglo miracles, chancery was actually in mouth with barack obama. everyone here knows that iconic image and there's a lot of interest to see what images will come out of of this i imagine that both leaders now looking at the fantastic scenery in bavaria also reflects a bit on that. and that idea. alrighty is trying to get some order into this press conference so that the 2 leaders can actually address the press. so let's just enjoy the images and then listen in to this joint press conference with the german chancellor and you as president on there are a with i'm with place it q q q, q u, with well, there's a lot to do and i want to compromise stepping up as you did when you became chance and the way that you have a great rest of europe to me, particularly they can credit here. we are close and i was in the world and make sure we have us all stay together. you know, really continue working on economic challenges. i think we get to my strong coup messages and we all made it to the united with never. that was a no small part. no small because you're serious with because there was lot of discussion where we're not in the transition house work. done. credible job with. thank you for. thank you. thank you. we have to stay together is proven us and counting on to the beginning, how nato would splinter. we had it and we're not going. cameras was the question for me to get away. thank you. thank you. i a with with with we were basically eavesdropping on a, on a very intimate compensation between us president joe biden. and the german chancellor will up shows up right now. it doesn't appear as if the 2 are giving a traditional press conference there. i think with a secretary blink blink, and they're not unusual that we are allowed to eavesdrop a little bit when you see how the u. s. president normally works and the something that he also see when you cover the white house, you see that normally before some of those bilateral meetings, they have this ability just for a few minutes to have a sort of an easy chat with the press there. then the press is taken out and then they have another bilateral meeting. so those are things that you, that you normally see. it was not unusual that they were not specifically giving statements to the press or answering questions. so from that perspective, i do think it was interesting to hear what they said, but it would not necessarily unusual. and when you say intimates in a way intimate, yes, but there were lots of cameras there and the diction was certainly clear enough for everyone to over here. it was. and he said it was all about showing the bilateral friendship and how things are working well between both the does and how they're working together. no range of issues, so nothing really unexpected. they're absolutely alexandra alexander phenomena. eliza brussels bureau chief, who is covering the g 7 summit for us in southern germany. did you have a chance to over here this rather? well, you can't even call it a press conference. it's a very sort of short meeting before the actual bilateral talks are starting with some nicer photo opportunities, but a lot of laughter, a lot of smiles and joe biden, even padding. the german, a chancellor on, on the knee or the hand that was on the knee. i don't want to spread rumors here. ok. so all in all a very good atmosphere i would say so yes. and indeed i was gonna to mentioned is one moment when a love shots was speaking about the unity of the g. 7 leaders and, and the u. s. president thought of pat hill on his hand as if he wants it to demonstrate how close they are in dealing with her so many important and pressing issues that are here on the agenda at the g 7. i also found that it was very interesting to listen to what to what joe biden had to say about the challenges that they are facing. because he mentioned in particular, the economic situation. and of course, the soaring energy prices, inflation, those are also very important issues for the u. s. and for, it's a for that, for its domestic situation for the people there's, of course, it is in the you ask interest to make sure that they will find you some solutions that they will come up with some solutions to tackle those economic problems. and of course, we could see just at the very end as a, the press was escorted out again a thomas entity of lincoln. they're also shaking hands and, and getting ready to be part of those talks and blinking. of course, we've seen in recent months, primarily also in association with the war in ukraine with the united states efforts to support ukraine. so clearly this indicates that the west reaction to ukraine and the russian aggression will, will dominate those talks and anthony blank and the u. s secretary of state who was previously here discussing bilateral and but also international issues with his counterpart in but in a, in a babel, hoosier, germany's foreign minister from the green party that those 2 have been also at the forefront obviously. joe biden. and the chancellor. but it also blinking and, and babble what reaction comes out from germany and from the us when it comes to the war in, in ukraine. it's important to stress that on both counts from the u. s. government, but also from the german government. when the governments came into power, they really focused on international issues as a matter of concern that had to be resolved together. multilaterally. that was something that we clearly saw from, from all of shot. but that was also, by the way, something that we saw from joe biden, joe biden has a longstanding career as a politician and they knighted states. and one that by the weight was extremely important in foreign policy. so the fact that now we're seeing these 2 governments that play an important role internationally that are trying to find a common way internationally is very significant when it comes to understanding the relevance of this g 7. that is about to start. it's about germany and the u. s. alongside the other countries that are there trying to find common positions when it comes to russia when it comes to ukraine, when it comes to global challenges. alexandra mentioned the global economy, and that is also particularly interesting because we are talking here about only foreign policy. it's also about what impact this has on domestic policy is on domestic issues and in the us, but also in other countries as well. we're seeing high prices, we're seeing inflation, we're seeing doubts and concerns from the population when it comes to energy sources when it comes to, again, high prices and inflation when it comes to food security. so it's, it's a fine trying to find a balance between this 2 issues between the foreign policy aspect, no doubt, very important, but also what message to bring back to the, the local communities to the national communities. they can't come back empty handed, of course is alexandra as, as thomas, a rightly points out. i mean, the fall out from this, the war in ukraine air is something that can be felt everywhere, including here in germany, in europe, energy prices a soaring, and we've just seen earlier that the air, the head of the european commission was ella on the line has also arrived to the air. you can council president michelle, is expected soon. the french president was currently holding the you rotating presidency. manuel call arrived yesterday. the you is also struggling to somehow keep it in a piece and, and show unity and, and strengths are how much of that will play a role during this g 7? some if you think well, it will play a role. i would say because of course you're right dad. so the european union has been united so far, but of course they're also struggling to keep the course when we just think about the last her sick sir. package of sanctions on russia that their european union and its member states were able to approve a few weeks ago, it was a very difficult task with some member states been very skeptical and one of them hungry trying to block this 6 or a package of sanctions in the and they found a compromise, they agreed on phasing out russian. r oil shipments are beginning or by the end of the year, but there will be some exception. so you see that it is very difficult to keep course because every thing that is connected with sanctions on russia, with the holding vladimir putin accountable it, it is also her team, the european union that it sold, dependent on russian energy delivery. thank you. alexandra phenomena will be back shortly with you. i would like to know from thomas or from your experience sir, these bilateral talks have just started up when is it a good side for talk such as these when they are short or when they are, are very extensive. what is, what is sort of the average? it depends what they are discussing and what they have to, to discuss when i was covering, for example, talks between anglo merkel and, and barack obama. it was all about this friendly relationship between both something that they highlighted time and time again, even though they had problems at the beginning. and now we also saw this sort of friendly atmosphere between both leaders. i imagine that that something that they wanted to clearly present at they want to clearly show the idea that there are friendly terms. but i would like to also point to something that alexandra mentioned when it comes to the, to the you the, you, as a slow moving machine when it comes to foreign, see, they need unanimity when it comes to decisions. and in particular, when it comes to the announcement that ukraine is now an official candidate for you membership. okay. it was $27.00 times. yes. as chancellor charged stressed, but behind closed doors, there were differences when it came to. okay. should we do this now? what message are we sending to other candidates that have been there for a long time? what does this mean if you continues to grow and grow and grow? there have been very little mention now about discussions in the past controversy in the past of the you shouldn't simply become an ever growing machine. i imagine that those things are also being discussed now when it comes to ukraine in moldova, us prospective membership. and that just reveals how difficult it is for the you to come to decisions when it comes to foreign policy because they need every one on board. and having 27 members are very difficult. just imagine what it will be like when other members also join the club and there are serious talks about possible reforms to exactly tackle that issue and not have this uni exactly. exactly. yeah, thomas sir, this is going to be an interesting run because we also want to cover the you perspective a very shortly, but before that we copping our top story for you at this hour. a german chancellor will have schultz and you as a president joe biden have been meeting at the annual g 7 summit in southern germany. the lead us, all the 7 wealthy countries have been discussing their response to the russian invasion of ukraine as well as issues like climate change and her. that is all for now, but we will stay we, we stay, we stay. ah, somebody is just talking into my ear and i didn't understand what was said. could you please repeat? ok. so here we don't go away because we will stay here because as i mentioned, we are now waiting for the representatives to give their presser thomas, can we expect more there? or will this also be enjoying the view? so if i don't know if not only about enjoying the view, it will be about enjoying the view, but it will be about much more than just enjoying the view. alexandra and white.

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