Guest ive described this as a repudiation. You seem us with your brothers and sisters. How do they explain . More than my brother and sister, all my nephews. Yeah, i come from a very conservative family. And the book, before we knew this was the outcome, i had my sister and brother write essays about why they were voting for trump for trying to vote for trump. It is very interesting to read them because you can tell what paul ryan mustve been thinking through the campaign but he was muzzled and will stay muscled now for quite some time. But if you read their essays to me you couldnt see because my brother after the gold star family, when trump insults at them he called me and says is it too late to kill my essay . My brother thinks hes Ernest Hemingway of the raid. For him to want to kill a single word much less an essay is very rare. I said no, srd shipped to bookstores. My sister kept jumping on and off every time he insulted heidi cruz, she would say she wasnt going to vote for him and then he asked me about that and i told him and he apologized for that. But then she decided she could vote for him again when he stayed up all night tweaking about Miss Universe after the debate. Shes like why isnt he talking about the economy or terrorism . Why is he talking about a woman who gained 12 pounds . So in the end, you know, she went back and forth she didnt vote for him, but my brother and nephews did vote for him. This is what i said to people. My fellow columnists have gone out on this Margaret Mead expeditions to find this rare creature known as the trump voter and try and understand them and reason with them and they always end up at the same coffee shop in paris, kentucky. One of them actually put out an open letter. Trump voter, please come forward so i can reason with you. And now they are saying when you go home for thanksgiving, you have to reason with them then obviously they dont know these people because my family has never asked my opinion about politics in my whole life. Not at thanksgiving or any other time. So it is going to be tough for those who think they are going to bring people around with one conversation. I want to ask you about donald trump. You covered him for many, many years ago with a column in this book that was written one year before election. It was written november 8th published november 8, 2015. And it relates to a lunch date you shared with trump in the trump tower. And you quote him as saying to you, i am a solid stable person. I am a man of great achievement. I went, marie, i always win. Knock on what i always win. Its what i do. I beat people. I win. This is the trump that you know. Well, trump from the time he got you know, so his father was a builder of middleclass housing in queens and brooklyn. Is a young man, trump always looked across at manhattan and it has sought. He wanted the skyscrapers and the supermodels with skyhigh lakes. Thats what he wanted. So he came and he started hanging out at Yankee Stadium with George Steinbrenner and lee iacocca and this guy who was third career to the stars and this other guy who is the limit thinking in all larger than life figures and cary grant would drop by sometimes. And so, he fashioned this larger than life figure and then. In those days, he was very polite and not egotistical in this group, but big egos. And so, that was when he created that character and then he created another character on the apprentice of the judicious and wise but firm decisions. And then when he got on the campaign trail, and he heard the roar of the crowd first at the burger king and then with his bigoted statement about mexicans and building the wall and he heard the roar of the crowd and he followed that and i asked him in an interview once. I say you note, this person in the primary is nothing like the person i covered in new york all those years. He thought about it and he said i guess i got to number one by saying these things, so i thought i should keep saying them. And so, basically hes a salesman, you know, and he found this vacuum in the market and he just created the product for that vacuum. Thats why none of us know where hes going now because his only value is winning. His ideology is his ego. I want you to describe his office to this crowd. As the ms office. Ive interviewed donald trump. You describe it in a few of the columns. That could be an indication of the personality character he wants to perjury. You know, as you know im from washington. I was born there facing plenty of narcissists. But ive never seen narcissism at a level of donald trump. You go in his office in every single wall space is covered with magazine covers from a french magazine covers of himself. The only thing i missed at the stacks of magazine covers it has not on trent of himself. The place between the frames is about that much. Its not as if the were family photos. Yeah, he does have some sports paraphernalia. He has mike tyson championship and some other things, but it is mostly like an infinity mirror of his face. And so, i did ask him in an interview once this summer i said, you know, when you get to the white house, that brings out a lot of narcissism because there is a photographer who follows the president around and takes pictures of him every minute of every day and then they put those pictures all over the walls of the white house and now they had digital frames that they are running pictures and whoops. And i think you are already like that. So what you get there and its more intense in your surround it even more, dont shoot me thered be a narcissistic explosion, you know, that we could all see on pennsylvania avenue. How would that work . As tom said, i know how to behave when i go to palm beach. I can go to dinner with society prints and they think im the most politically correct the young man either and theyre all dead and hands. You are safe to say that in miamidade, by the way. What about the coffee shop comparison. Can you go there . Well, you know, and donald trump won for the oldest of political reasons. Hes list and to the voters. You know, when he was sent, he heard that anxiety and paid attention to it. You know, it is interesting because it has come out now that bill clinton tried to warn the Clinton Campaign for more than a year hes the worlds leading expert on this group of voters that his wife lost and you try to say to dan, you have to pay more attention and robbie monk is hillarys Campaign Guide a 35yearold big data guy and they lasted bill clinton and dave said that the old way. The new way is urban ghetto, its voter base and stuff. Now weve had two democrats who lost basically because they didnt listen to bill clinton. When are they going to start listening to him . Not quite as secretary clinton the next . What did she say to the American People . I dont know. Shes going to have a whole new chapter and im sure she will have a wonderful job. You know, she is going to end up winning the popular vote by a couple million. As al gore, you know, im sure she will take her passion into Something Wonderful with them. Our chief Political Correspondent was saying he is winning the popular vote by so much will make it harder for track because hell always be seen by a lot of people as being illegitimate. [applause] just a little bit. Just a little bit. You told charlie rose that you used to call strategist, political strategist and understand campaign, but this campaign has forced you to call shrinks. What are they toed shoe . What can you impart to the rest of us . Yeah, well, trump has done some teen we have never seen. This is why a lot of people are scared in the field of Foreign Affairs because he subjugated the entire orthodoxy and history of the Republican Party on russia, the evil empire to his own ego. So he got a compliment from putin and then he changed his stance that the Republican Party and he was the republicans going on tv, trying to grapple with this in not knowing how to. We have a wonderful reporter called Steven Lee Myers did a great biography of putin. He says that the word is used when he complimented trump was mistranslated, that the word did not mean brilliant. It meant gaudy. So trump changed the entire stamp upside down of his party based on a mistranslation. And now he and putin are going forward, you know, based on this weird thing where, you know, he can be completely malleable if he is given a compliment. Someone with a metric he got in a fight with Kellyanne Conway during the campaign, how should get back on his good side is the one who knew him said to get honest as i do give him him seven complements the narrow really fast here so that dynamic you will see in washington with Mitch Mcconnell and abroad with 210 and assad, they all think they can influence trumped. Even president obama if is doing this by flattering him. So everyone is going to be flattering and am trying to beat him until he is host body for their plan. That is what you will see in the coming months. That this translation, was it bigly for big league. Lets talk about what yours are we learning about a trump administration. The soontobe former chairman chief of staff, chief Campaign Strategist steve bannon inside the white house. What is this telling you about the makeup of his inner circle and as it relates to your last point in his relationship with capitol hill. Okay, so the times, the new site has this thing, the transition game but they call the reporters and get the latest news, but all newsbytes. It is honestly one of the most Amazing Things ive ever read. You just cant believe what youre reading. So, the latest being as i was coming over here is that because they gave the transition to mike pence, he hasnt signed some official piece of paper he needs to sign. So the obama people are probably about to give him all the information they need to give. So basically the Defense Department and the National Security apparatus have had no contact with the trump transition people. So we are operating in this weird limbo. And theres so many things about days i dont even know where to begin. It takes a moment to try to make any sense of it. Yeah. Where less than 70 days away. This is the other thing i wanted to tell you. During the campaign, trumps son went to john kasich and said we are thinking about you as Vice President and if we did that, you would really be running the white house and my father would be floating. So in essence, trump was thinking it as one of his licensing deals, like steak or wine or something. So his name went beyond that, that he would be back in trump tower. The way that was reported was governor kasich said what would i be responsible for and the response back was policy. He said the policy, foreign or domestic . Yes. Right. So now you see that happen with mike pence. So trump is just basically licensing it to mike pence at the moment and mike pence is, you know, taking on all the policies. Which digs into the question of how engaged he is going to be. What can the American Public expect from President Trump . You seem to campaign or trump, and the character you articulate and described in the book. You seen this other business character that has been able to ruin build, ruin built companies. How is this person now going to engage with the electorate, engage with the legislature. Is this person going to govern differently and campaign . In outcome at the very beginning before it turned really ugly, he would say things that he wanted to go and negotiate and spend a lot of time at congress and try and get some deals. He said he wanted to negotiate a middle east peace contract because he thought he could do it. So i like the deal at the mart although grace putting into cement truck both named. But i dont think we can now and he doesnt now. Some of the things that come the 60 minutes fame, some of what he said was reassuring when they talk about gay marriage and hes like that is settled. When i talked about womens rights on abortion, he was like, you know, that is a scarier thing because they send it back to the states and women might have to go to a different state and evoke this image is going to the back alley abortions. So some of his appointment that he is talking about now on immigration are really scary. They are talking about Rudy Giuliani as secretary of state, which spare me. So, some of the people he is bringing in our really, really right wing and mike pence is really, really right wing and president obama was saying in his conversation, no, he seems like a pragmatist and of course he used to be a prochoice democrat who gave money to the Clinton Foundation and hillarys Campaign Said they have voted for her and was third at fred was bill and played golf with him. So i dont think we know and he doesnt now and that is what is so in battling. You mentioned obviously the Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage and the Supreme Court ruling on abortion and this kind of too confusing answers from the president in that. He also in the same interview walked back some of the wholesale repeal of the Affordable Care act in a preexisting conditions is a good part of it. But he couldnt get that. Republicans know that is popular so they wouldnt let him take that away even if he wanted. And when he sat down with president obama much like we are right here and the president came to the microphone just yesterday saying president elect trump expressed a commitment to nato when it was a much different kind of rhetoric. He doesnt know. You know, im a book to her i met this wonderful texas state representative and he said can you do me a favor . I said what and he said please stop comparing donald trump to a child. He goes children are awesome. [laughter] were going to take an open up for questions. A couple of questions about the media here because i know theres no other industry the last two practice [inaudible] your paper, your publication about how it reported the odds of winning as opposed to the polls. If you have a moment of reflection about how the institution of the New York Times more generally fractured industry in the Mainstream Media approach to this election and what we should take away from what we are hearing from our audience. Okay, so this election was for the first time a fusion of politics, social media and reality tv. We have never seen someone not spend millions and tens of millions on campaigns, but instead use twitter. So there are a lot of new things about this. We have never seems someone with a complaint estrangement from the truth like donald trump. We are used to more boy early line and parsing. We are not used to someone saying i didnt say that theyre telling you something thats the exact opposite. Maggiea berman who was i amazing tribe reporter says its almost impossible to deal with someone like that suggest that he didnt say that or give you a completely different thing. So yes, it did take the media a while to get their arms around it. I compared it at the beginning to who framed roger rabbit, where you got a movie with a tune and a human. So its two different species. But of course it took some people to live. For instance, when trump have is birth or announcement and he had it at the hotel in washington, which was their Old Post Office building that he is redone he invited the press and took them on a tour, if the press didnt understand donald trump was inviting them for an infomercial for the hotel, which at that point had to slash its prices in half as no one was going there, and then the press was just being naive. The New York Times at some point just said okay, we are going to change the rules. We are going to change our rule about calling a politician a liar in stories and headlines and talked about his pic whoppers that i wished to change that rule for dick cheney and the iraq war sooner. And they said we are going to put bad words on the front of the New York Times. So i thought that was going to be his legacy until he won but we were going to have bad words on our front page. It is a struggle, but we just had never seen, you know, anything like that. I said to her staff are biases are the truth. Try to earn the audiences trust each and every day. Thats opening up to to questions. Welcome. On the bernie delegate so i have to ask, what is your assessment of bernies candidacy and how do you think things wouldve gone if he was the nominee . It now, i did a column on this yesterday. It is hard not to feel for president obama. He is our first africanamerican president elected in this wave of excitement and now he has to sit there with the most overtly racist candidate in modern history who is going to basically wipe out everything that he thought was his legacy. But at the same time, i think that given the fact of what a onceinalifetime politician he has been, that he didnt read that correctly. You know, he was elected in a revolution of people, you know, who they wanted a various change. Some of them did not want to go back to clinton inc. Then there was another revolution this year. This was on both sides of the aisle and president obama, that you know, he has a way he is brilliant, but he has a way of just telling people what is right. A top adviser to him said he would rather be right than when. And he wanted to say, you know, stop having your revolution. This is the candidate. It is hillary and she was incrementalist in the revolution. So you know, the funny part to me was that he treated Bernie Sanders the way and treated him in 2008. The us is a fairytale, stop it, rather than sort of realizing where are trying to understand where the revolutionary fervor came from. It was the year where people wanted authenticity, even like trump, because he, you know, tweed mean things about people that they are getting more unfinished. They were looking at unvarnished on both