Boston. A live Gubernatorial Debate oneonone with Martha Coakley and Charles Baker here is our moderator. Moderator good evening two weeks until election day we have 60 minutes to get your vote. Deleting we can tell you about the format it is the candidate of a discussion for governor and feel free to talk to each other as often as to like. We appreciate you joining us tonight. Shelby . Teeeighteen you both have plans but youre working in the Public Sector so how to do this with the private sector . Coakley it has been important in my experience of the private sector of regulation or energy costs for health care cost. And i also understand to spur creation to work as a partner with schools to provide with the economy and one of the difference is between the two of us we keep those jobs going also with the work force. So people have the job skills. Baker the big issue redo face is jobs everywhere rigo. It is clear to me some parts of massachusetts are doing well and others are in demand for the Economic Development plan focuses on those regions and communities but have not done as well as others that is why we talk about building an economy with jobs under already in massachusetts that is why at the emerging Technology Center it is a great Publicprivate Partnership between the manufacturing industry. Id has created a virtue circle between a Higher Institution that provides research and Product Development and expertise that want to be here and great for kids to go through that school when they graduate. We should do more of that defense of that is what i have a plan to do that to space what is happening in the schools already with curriculum to make sure over the next two years we will build an economy from the ground up that is sustainable to invest in the workforce. Moderator the shutdown and operation that cost 1200 jobs so the same question why should people have confidence that you could create jobs . Baker that program was in terrible shape when i got there and theyre proud of the fact we managed to rescue the program for also associate with many other Health Care Organizations as well. By the way when we signed that contract we outsource those jobs and that is our the vast majority of people continued to be employed. I am proud of the factory save their jobs even with vanguards the premier Health Care Institutions and then had to make tough decisions. Is through the rhode island marketplace. But everybody we owed money to got paid we continued to serve and everybody employed by us who lost their job either got a job training or Technical Assistance in the vast majority were hired by somebody else. And when youre dressed up in the tuxedo. First of all, that partnership those stayed here in massachusetts that was to take on that organization that was fundamentally broken like many parts of State Government are today to turnaround to make it work for everyone and making it work for the employees. We save thousands of jobs to keep them here in massachusetts and also those of other organizations. With a history of job creation but you preserve jobs by what you do their so sometimes with job creation step that talk about the administration with tax cuts and a host of other reforms with the highest Unemployment Rates. The lowest Unemployment Rate in the country and then we created 500,000 so i am very proud of. The Public Sector plays the big role the level give you one example. That very expensive into real to do outsourcing production to put up the zero went turbine. Before we move on shifting 500 employees at the hands of the next governor. If you have the problem. Coakley first of all, the i would not have put the governor needs to be more transparent about what happens. I think he explained that. Baker he did some of the same thing from a lesser degree. Baker under the management work force where 3,000 people almost one sector of State Government happening two weeks before the election there is no explanation about whats are affected but its what makes people crazy about State Government there is two sets of rules one for the inside and those who pay the bills. Look at the probation scandal where we had to listen to testimony that indicated a bunch of people got jobs not because of what they knew but todays new. With the massachusetts State Government to create a process of public understand who gets the jobs and why . But with transparency with those 700 Mental Health workers outsourcing that. I had nothing to do that particular decision but the values that drive that decision still make the city will not raise taxes is that correct . Baker yes. Coakley she says you only tax the most critical . Coakley that is fair. Why does a good manager take anything off the table before taking office even revenues . You raise premiums pretty dramatically to help you achieve your goal. Baker growing the membership by 40 percent and i made it the number one carrier for the country seven years and in a way. I think it is important to send the message to Small Businesses many who feel they have been nickel and dime to death. Which is trying to figure out how to pay the bills we have to figure out how to pay the bills. Next month families and businesses will deal with a 40 increase of energy costs because the commonwealth the governor and attorney general who is close to be the advocate did not do the work they should have done that we knew we were taking three coalfired plants out of production which is fine but there for to build additional capacity. And with existing pipelines that is a Pretty Simple process. That is not a tax issuer. You are talking about taxes but the rate payer advocate. But the National Grid to make sure none of those costs were passed along. We have, lot further along with Clean Energy Technology then we would have thought four years ago. You cannot take this one season to say we have the energy efficiency. Guess what youre talking about and over 1 billion of new spending. The number of people say if you pull up the numbers you have to raise revenue. Baker and i will look to those it could afford it but give us some examples that you could do that without increasing on the middleclass. Coakley with the no new taxes pledge what were both talking about i have been straightforward i think in order to move forward we need to invest in businesses and in our kids and was Workforce Development otherwise theyre missing that equation by charlie proposes these 300 million a tax cuts may be 600 million according to the boston globe. We will find that money somewhere. He also talks about the things the Workforce Development. With the best thing since schools or building bridges why i support. What is the increase the burden . They are the top to. How to do that . Coakley that is what we are working on. Every four years someone says they will raise taxes on the middleclass we have heard that over the last seven years. Sales tax and middleclass. And all this on the middleclass. That is why i said i will not raise taxes their strapped already the last thing they need is another four years to be a nickel and dime began. But talking about the tax break and hundreds of millions of them they never revealed what they were supposed to to create the jobs. So with that legislature i think what we ought to do is a manual review of were getting what we think we are supposed to get. That is worth doing and i would do that as governor. Coakley totally. We did think those businesses of that. I dont support those that are undocumented the main reason know when can explain how you can document or verify someone who is not documented. And with so many people still fundamentally we need washington t deal was a question set the local level could feel the how to deal with it. In conjunction with mayors and other local officials that the people that live that the local level deal with the hard reality of a broken immigration system. But it works not to fix it. But were not doing anything. And said i with the gannett but now moving to a new system to realize they dont have the birth certificates this is the appropriate time with a medical emergency at and know exactly that we have to address this issue for Public Safety. Instate tuition are you for it or against it . Baker i do support the order because in my opinion we will get instate tuition subsidized by the taxpayer. But it is in no for the other. But those were you can with any of with instate tuition. To basically save the people that can now work here to access taxpayer funded. I want to extend that and then a young woman i can the four years i want to get a job. Now lets bring in the boston globe question. Half a Million People in massachusetts are not citizens of an able to vote half could not bow and a casino referendum because theyre not citizens so what would you do about it . Baker you need to be a citizen to vote. I come back to what i said at the beginning of a conversation both officials the issues associated with the federal government will deal with the immigration issue to make these people uncomfortable it makes me nets everyday to feel that they cannot address this. So the reality is that it falls back on the states governors with the absence of leadership from the congress. So what do you do . So a huge number we dont get to vote. Coakley that with these services i think there are some requirements but we have a lot of president s better here and will be here. The darr not doing what they should statement as a non citizen as the legal resident were legally here. 8q so much. [laughter] as that we have gotten a little hot wired over the last decade. [laughter] then with that decision but it does not matter in massachusetts. Because the supporters made a big deal about this. No ha bailout the issue basically i am over thinking it the floor that problem for the women in massachusetts slid as possible to make it possible and then have access and following that recommendation and will always support full benefits with services. You pleased with the response from every neighborhood men and women how we create more jobs and build great communities and bring balance and bipartisanship. That is a response we have gotten from everybody. Is a campaign. But i fully expect. [laughter] by these people going to let me have it. ; me ask you something is everything in his record that the jury to believe . Coakley no. The not accusing him of being sexist he has done great work and has done a good job but the real issue is hoodoos cq we work with and who we champion. But it is not just that but i have been very much involved in these issues because of the girls and women these are what i know are real issues. What is the one section of this campaign. Baker i care about the numbers that is the single biggest thing that drives me up the wall. My entire professional career has been about people. So i did do it for the numbers but to help the people i did not spend eight years in the administration for the numbers but to help the people. With thousands lose their jobs and millions Lose Health Care coverage we need to figure out to fix it. To meet it has always been knocked about people. But it doesnt matter with the 3 million budget that out to say you dont care about people. Coakley so i will put my record up against yours i am not criticizing what you did that i think it shows that your salary goes up that in my lifetime as a prosecutor and attorneygeneral always make a decision to not lose their jobs. There were outsourced the people are represented from health care. We can debate but it is about the value. I am proud of the work that we did in the 1990s creating and building a communitybased Health Care Delivery system for no one that was in an institution those places were not great places to take care of anyone. Many in that Community Supported much of what we chose to do during that period of time and as we sit here 20 years later you dont see them now but a good piece of the work structurally to put in place and those solutions are exactly the way the system works today. Coakley but that is the piece of that but assume we want to keep people lot of the institution but the missing piece was providing support. 700 workers lost their job and 60 went to Outpatient Services provider market in the District Attorneys Office at the same time i see that uptick for more Mental Health problems because we did not take care of them spin if there is a misconception about you . Coakley that i had worked years to overcome that we have another question from a reporter at the boston globes been recovering to see new shoes the past three years the casino law survives a repeal challenge on the day you are elected then others will be likely to open during your first term as the governor of massachusetts with the casinos . Tel much casino and gambling have you done personally it life how does that inform your policies on gambling . [laughter] baker i only do black jack and have never done well i said i would quit my day job become a professional gambler then i gave it all back the next day. But i said all along i am a big fan of one casino i would prefer just of the state of connecticut they miss out not even to build one but there are a lot of people from massachusetts who enjoy the atmosphere and hospitality and restaurants and all the rest. By a voice said one casino made sense. Coakley i am not a gambler. But let me tell you. What i have done because when this first appeared as a proposal we did not have the Money Laundering statute the new jersey and nevada with trained oversight around to everything from Money Laundering to organized crime so as attorneygeneral is to look at what we have to do a massachusetts to maximize the economic benefit. Both of you have said that you would likely look at the springfield casino. Baker if the voters turned it down it is in the votes. Awad this question is on the ballot i think it should have been from the of beginning if you collect the signatures to go on the ballot. But i am pretty sure im doing a candidate that has an interest in springfield from right before. It is a 600 Million Investment it is the innovative model it is a casino then they build the streetscape to rebuild part of downtown with the of hospitality and restaurant and retail peace and it is connected to the civic center so mgm is the player to bring the entertainment venues. But i think having a conversation about it at that point of legislature could say no. Coakley but looking at this Economic Development from the industrys image were halfway through so we will pick up the pace. More is better and lost from the lottery by far. If we have three casinos and a slot parlor are you troubled by the fact we have is increasing huge reliance on low or moderate income people who were on state and local services . That is one of the reasons im against internet gaming and have very strict consumer protections. So there are consumers projections. Baker that is one of the reasons i support the bill. I cannot imagine but it has a huge impact will lottery is a big supporter. Best lot farther and casinos will have an impact. The others hospitality and restaurant and retail and entertainment the dollars that people spent keeps that springfield project interesting apparently there is not a lot going on. With talk about a judges and one judge after another has jail time after he murdered a lot of us thought that judges are getting tougher about repeat violators but now we have another one to get off with no jail time even after he dried his girlfriend with his car. What should happen to the judges . Should they retire or should there be something . First of all, we have made changes because we make sure there is more information and frankly judges should reduce some of the decisions they make. There is a review process they have not made public and we have said this for years. Obviously it is not the reside the right result. But it happened again. I understand to unveil but this is minimum sentencing. We have sentence guidelines and the ability to appeal it to get in front of the judges. To review five weeks certain makes . Who does it . A democrat now it is done by the courts with litigants and they have not made that public. Should day . Budding cases like this the results appear to be not sufficient for Public Safety with using . Baker first of all, we made a series of recommendations associated with the wake of the case and one of the things is to hear that court system is has to be part of the game plan with for five different judges people behave like it is their first trip into court so the judges can make informed decisions about everything. I have no problem at all and i think it is a good idea. Neither of you though have talked about adding more money for the agency. A federal judge recently said that the primary problem with dcf is a budgetary shortfall and more than anything else. My question is do you think you can fix dcf without adding more money . Baker i supported the governors proposal for dcf in this past legislative session both the social Records Technology and for a variety of other pieces but i also think their management requirements set out to part of what happens there. I made reform proposals when Jeremiah Oliver case that tragedy broke earlier this year. I think in many respects dcf has a very difficult and comp