Represent the biggest paradigm shift. The debate in the Republican Party now is, one, should there even be a Republican Party, and if there should be, which path instead of cronyism and corporatism, which path it should pursue in pursue what trump is advocating, a return to White Nationalist dixiecrat americanism, or it should be a truly conservative party that is trying to conserve the values that made this country exceptional. Host this is his most recent book. Heres a look at what is on primetime tonight. We kick off the evening at 7 15 p. M. Eastern with Katherine Ross argue. That students First Amendment rights are not respected. Then at 9 00, the 2016 guggenheim prize in military history is awarded. On after words at 10 00 p. M. Eastern, former u. S. Civil Rights Commission chair discusses voter rights, corruption,. And fraud. We finish up our primetime programming at 1 1with the tour of the Folger Shakespeare library in two weeks booktv will be live from the library with a program on the 400th 400th anniversary of William Shakespeares death. That all happens tonight on cspan2s booktv. Welcome, everybody. My name is mort. Im a retired reporter and ive covered or war on terror in iran and iraq, and ive been coming to this book festival i as an author and moderator and admirerrer and i cant remember a single event more crucial and timely than this one. Mohamedou slahis guantanamo diary is powerfully revealing nonfiction but also a mystery. When his handwritten manuscript was finally published after aa hard fight that terry duncan will tell you about. In some crucial places can even read between the lines. Thick bands of blank ink over the text in 600 places. One point entire pages are blotted out. But what remains, answers that question that we have asked yourselves with fast go growing frequency since 2001, why do they hate us . Despite its even handed and sometimes funny tone the book is about mans inhumanity to man, more specifically, inhumanity im an american man and by american men and american woman, and by american government. Slahi is a mauritanian text specialist who, arizona the book explains, was in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong acquaintances, and after nearly 14 years, of torture, suffering, the humiliation in guantanamo no one proved otherwise. Mark danners piece makes clear of the futility of torture and the damage it does to a society that condones it. Im going to just very briefly cite the review in the guardian. Guantanamo diary reveals mow vividly than any book in the previous decade of shock and offer and awe ferocity. And the his captors tried to reestablish their full spectrum dominance in a variety of ways. There is among them the permissive libertarian who announces today were going to teach you about Great American sex. As two topless woman rub anywhere bodies against him and handle this penis and then to send him to prison. More thoughtful prim spes believes theres two kind of people in the world, white americans and the rest of the world. White americans are smart and better than anybody. The casual use of the phrase, i. I were you, incites a blistering reprompt dont you ever compare me with you or any american with you. Theres a cultural nationalist who informs slahi, we dont like you to speak english. We want you to die slowly. And another point monstrosities such as guantanamo and abu ghraib became inevitable when the wests holly warriors chose to stigmaize a range on human beings innocent and savage beasts who could only be annihilated. They did not consider the risk that men trying to convince. Thes of their strength and virtue through dehumanizing others can assume the most vicious traits of enemies. Any hatred of his torturers, he hopefully that day will come and well also learn about slahis last decade in purgatory that lawyer is here today with us and slahi will have his day in out in june. Some candidates want to expand some president ial candidates want to expand torture, making us far less safe and more hated, president obama is hurrying to keep an eightyearold promise to close guantanamo. Terri don danwest law school with honors in new mexico in two and within five years wag does stuff that Erin Brockovich look like a schlepper. He was in private practice before starting her own firm. Ill skip her long list of accomplishments but dont be surprised to find it replacing Antonin Scalia on the big bench before next january. Before you tell your next lawyer joke, er spent 3,000 unbilled hours going back and forth to guantanamo and working on this case because she believes in it. Shell be signing half an hour later than usual because shell be doing more stuff on air here put you can but she has stamu with mohamedous signature and you can find him in january for the signing, the planend leaves for guantanamo in an hour, so actually youll fine it. Its in the tent. So, terry. Tell us about this wonderful man, this family man, and how he wound up where he is and bring him to light for us. Sure. So, Muhammadu Slahi is a 45yearold man from more takenarch which is in africa, and when he was 15 years old he won a scholarship to study in germany, where he studied engineering and he was the hope or his family. Mauritania is a very poor country. N his family hoped he would go to europe and learn engineering and be able to support them, and he did that. So he went to school. He learned, and in the early 1990s, about 1990, 1991, like a lot of young arab men he went to afghanistan to fight against the soviet backed communist government which was at that time prohibiting the practice of religion in afghanistan. He went for training there at an al qaeda camp. He left and went back to germany and then return for the final battle against the communist government, and then left when the different arab factions began fighting with each oomph he went home to germany and continued his studies. He married a fellow mauritanian, and eventually immigranted to canada for a brief period of time before returning to mauritania in 2000, and in 2002, he received a call from the mauritanian police, asking him to come in, and ill read later how he describes that meeting. He did as requested. To and at that point he disappeared, and his family did not know his whereabouts for approximately two to three years and did not see his face for another six years. Mohamedou is one of theesee funniest, smartest, most compassionate people i have ever met. I first met him in august of 2005 when i began representing him. He is funny. For example, one of my cocounsel once asked them to write down all the time he had been questioned by the government, and mohamedou laughed and say thats like asking Charlie Sheen how many men he has dated. And he is compassionate andhe generous in spirit so every time i go to visit him, i visit to talk about his case, and the first thing he wants to know, how am i and how are the members of my team . And when this family first spoke to him in 2002 this, had their first video call of him, rather than complain about what had been done to him for the last six years, the first questions he asked were, hough is everyone . Who has married who . Where are the children . Who is going school, and rep re manning the children who e wouldnt doing well in school. Very compassionate in march of 2014 i got to go to mauritania to immediate mohamedous family and i talked to a childhood be t friend who told a story. They used to play street socker and they would get very competitive and occasionally one child would trip or kick another and, oops, and the game would go on. Mohamedou got very excited in a soccer game and tripped another child. Well, whereas everyone else would just go on and keep playing, mohamedou stopped and apologized profusely and would not keep playing until he was sure that the other child was okay, and continued to apologize profusely for months afterwards to the point alf that all of his friends made fun of him for it because he was such a pacifist and in their terms not tough nut. But that cap tours what a kind person he is, and when you read the book the kindness cams off the page and the ways in which he tries to understand the people who did some horrible, horrible things to him. Thanks. I want to ask you to make this guess but just from what one cat see in afghanistan, the way people are picked off the streets for personal vendetta by army guys and just had no clue what they were getting. No cause and no investigation. Maybe half the people in guantanamo probably shouldnt have been there. The few times that these guys actually do get their day in court or that a judge is able to pronounce, there have been cases where the judge will say, let them go, and theyre still there. How is it for so long people have been under our american Juris Prudence how does this happen . Well, for the cases at guantanamo, one of the reasons why the u. S. Military chose the base at guantanamo because it believed because its outside the territorial jurisdiction of the United States, it wasy outside the jurisdiction of the u. S. Courts and took many years of litigation by lawyers other than me to finally get a Supreme Court ruling that said, no, because the u. S. Military was in charge of guantanamo this u. S. Courts had third to consider the detention of people there. Some at that point the habeas hearings began. So the hearings to determine whether orot the people at guantanamo should be at guantanamo. In mohamedous case we began that process in 2005. We filed a petition on his behalf in the District Court in the district of columbia, and sort of funny that right around the time we filed on his behalf, as brothers request, two pro se petitions came from guantanamo that mohamedou had written, asking the court to review his case. So it took several years and mohamedou finally had a hearing in front of a judge in d. C. And 2009. Just james robertson, presided over four days of hearings, two of which mohamedou himself testified 20010 the judge issued an order and found that the government was holding philadelphia unlawfully and the evidence was insufficient to detain him and ordinary mohamedou released. The Obama Administration appealed that decision. The d. C. Court of appeals held that the judge had the law had evolved so the department of justice is really litigating what the standards were so the law had evolved since judge robertson issued his opinion and the court of appeals sent th case back down to District Court for hearing. Since then nothing has really happened in the District Courts. President obama then issued an executive order requiring that everyone at guantanamo who wasnt charged by military commission get what is called a periodic review board hearing. So in habeas, in the guantanamo cases, the question is, was the u. S. Authorized in detaining someone at the moment they grabbed them. So, when the u. S. Government grabbed mohamedou in november of 2001, was it justified . And the judge robertson said no. The question in front of a periodic review board is, is this person today an ongoing threat know National Security of the United States . And so president obama ordered that everyone at guantanamo who wasnt charged by military commission would get this hearing. And nothing happened. For years. For years. And its just the obstruction of the department of defense, and its resistance to president obamas lawful order, and what now four years later mohamedou will finally have the hearing in june. We feel very confident and hopeful that the periodic review board will take an honest and meaningful look at mohamedous case and hell finally good go home. Let me ask another question. [inaudible] wrote a book and said torture is a war time. We have a president ial candidate, i wont name him but his hair is orange help said anyone who thinks that torture doesnt work is stupid. L not na im stupid. I was in argentina when this waterboarding down there they call it was done over and over and over again, and ive people a generation later hate with such incredible any tactical advantage, and what it does to us. Why is it do you think, we continue to condone torture some n we have that the big report, 500 pages leaked in which the people who do it admit it opportunity work. Why does this continue . I think that the people who continue to condone torture dont understand torture and dont understand what theyre talking about. The people who understand it, understand that the torture does not produce reliable information. It just doesnt. In our american Justice System, we dont rely on coerced statements in court, not only because americans are American Values are threatened and compromised when we use coercion and physical violence, but because the court, social scientists, anyone who understands how the museum mind works know, if you beat someone long enough they will tell you whatever you want to hear. Its not reliable information. People onehalf movies like 24 where you see the star, the hero forks in and beat someone and that person gives this greatie information and then prevents the blowing up of the building, and in reality that just doesnt happen. If you beat someone long enough, if you hurt them long enough, if you threaten their families credibly enough. Human beings will tell you exactly what you want to hear, and that is not good information. It is not information that we should use to imprison people, not information we should use to make decisions of national policy. So, in my opinion, anyone who is saying that torture is a legitimate informationgathering tactic doesnt understand how doesnt understand that system and doesnt understand the flaws in it. Another thing, if i see my numbers right, it costs nearly a half a billion dollars, cost 445 million in 19 cost us last year to maintain guantanamo for, what, 891 prisoners now 91 prisoners and the pig argument is we cant bring them here. We live in a state where we got more prisoners than kids in elementary school. Theres prisons all over the state. Its not like were in danger from the prisoners. Were in danger from the people who put the prisoners in. Whats the resistance in america toward closing guantanamo . I have to say thats a good question. Dont know if its one i can answer other than to say i think its fear. I think its fear and a lack of understanding. We have been told since the very beginning that guantanamo holds the worth of worst of the worst and i dont think anybody human being wants the worst of the worst living in their town. I resist the option of bringing guantanamo or people from guantanamo well to the United States i guess its a twofold answer. I think that anyone who is going to be tried for a crime at guantanamo needs to be tried in an American Court with the full protections of american law, and i think that our Justice System has for centuries prosecuted people who have committed crimes against the country, and its fully capable of prosecuting the crimes that are charged against the men at go. Thats point one. Point two is bringing those men were not going to try into the continental United States, im opposed to that. The reason is because its not closing guantanamo. Its just moving guantanamo, and its moving guantanamo to a place that is less visible, and so i worry that the men at guantanamo their lives will certainly not be better, maybean worse, they will be forgotten, hidessen in some prison in illinois and as long as theyre at guantanamo, everybody is looking and the only way that these men will finally be released and justice will be done is we all continue to look and to watch until theyre out. Thanks. Met bring you back this wonderful book. An ununsung hero is larry who took this handwritten diary of 400 something pages keep in mine that slahi learned english the way conrad did, on the back of a receipt. Of its his fourth or fifth language. Spoke perfect german, to the point where in his notes the interrogators found something that said pc laden. He was in germany and laden is a pc store, a computer shop. L but this is a wonderfully written book because of the author and the editor who has never met the man. Ok and they have become great friends as terry tells me. So i know you have marked a bunch of pages you. Know this book better than anyone besides those two guys. So, mohamedou and larry have never met. Larry had asked the u. S. Government to let him meet with mohamedou, and the government said, no. Ne ironically enough, citing to the Geneva Conventions and its prohibition on making someone into a public curiosity, refused to allow them to meet. Over time, larry sees through editing mohamedous book and hearing his voice has become t friends well mohamedou, andr mohamedou cant have his book at guantanamo but he has seen the ed edited version of his own text and i just wanted to we have quoted a lot from the book, from mohamedous words. I want to read a brief passage from larry roz introduction because it talks to the relationship between two writers, who recognize each others gifts although they cannot meet of speak to each other. Larry is talking about the world at guantanamo, which is a world of incredible cruelty but also these moments of brilliant humanity, of guards who, at risk to their own career, show compassion to the prisoners. So this is the secret world of guantanamo. A world of startling premeditated brewe tallity and incident al degradessations and world of gestures and kindnesses, acknowledgment and recognition, mule to all curiosity and risky more more rays of deep divides and suffering the most arbitrary treatment and in in midst of guantanamos moe horrendousal interrogation says a great deal about his own market and his humanity. Says even more about his skills as a writer he was able so soon after most traumatic of those experiences to create from them a narrative that managed be both damning and redeeming. And yet this is not what impressed me most as a reader and as a writer. When i first opened the file with the handwritten manuscript what arrest met were the, whichs and escapes far removal from guantanamo. The hard luck stowaway in a prison, a sunset after a dust storm, heartbreaking moment of home sickness during a ramadan call to prayer. The airport approach over chanty towns. A runway in cypress. A lull on ai cia rendition flight. Heres where i first recognizes mohamedou the writer. His sharp eye for character, his remarkable ear for voices, the way his recollections are infused with information recorded by all five senses, the way he accesses the full emotional register in himself and others. He has the qualities i value most in a writer. A moving sense of beauty and a sharp sense of irony. He has a fantastic sense of humor. He manages all of this in english, his fourth language, language he was in the most as mastering even as he wrote the manuscript. This accomplishment testifies th a life long facility and fascination with words and stema it is clear, from a determination to engage and to meet his environment on its own terms. On one level mastering english in guantanamo meant moving beyond translation and interpretation, beyond the necessity of a third person in the room, and opening the possibility of that everynt contact with a capper could be a personal exchanges. On another it meant tee coding and understanding the languageom of the power that controls his fate, a power as his 20,000mile odyssey of intersituation and and detention illustrates, staggering influence and reach. Out of this engagement comes a truly remarkable work. O a mr. Er in which for the first time in anything i have readen from guantanamo i have recognized aspects of myself in both the characters of my cam patriots and those of my come those my country is holding captive. Me on another it is a lens on an empire with a scope and impact few of white house live inside it fully understand. Untry. Thank you. Its funny, you mention the reason these two didnt meet is because of the Geneva Convention. Is there any phrase in the Geneva Convention we havent violated in the last 15 years . . Im not sure about that. In seriously, as a lawyer, and knowing this case well, what is the ration real . The point of the Geneva Convention is not only because we try to do the right thing when we know what that is, but when our guys get captured by somebody else, which happens often and will happen more, depending on who gets elected,me we invoke the Geneva Convention and say, how dare one things i remember that well, the question if we dont respect International Norms toward the treatment of people we hold in custody, how can we expect their respect and protection when it happens to us . That is a real concern. That you use uphold the law in the hopes and as an example to others to uphold the law, and we clearly didnt do that at guantanamo. The u. S. Government used the Geneva Conventions as a shield to sort of protect itself from exposure of what it had done but surely didnt respect the prohibitions and the genevaio convention when it treated the men at guantanamo. As you read the book mohamedou was tortured at guantanamo. Its not just his words. Its the words of the fbi, the words of the Senate Armed Services committee, its welldocumented. Beyond just his book. It was torture and theres no excuse for what we did, and it is hypocritical to then use to violate the conventions to try to obtain information from someone, but then to invoke those conventions to try to block their words, their description of their experience, from reaching the public. I mean, the kind are arbiter is the red cross guys that enforce this and thats the one neutral bunch of people who come in and look around, and in jordan where slahi was first taken, before then going to bagram and then going to acting in our behalf, the icrc would come in and the jordanians were hiding him from them, and i mentioned this to terry, and apparently we are were doing the same thing in guantanamo. Thats right. Theres a publicly released memt from the administration at guantanamo the icrc. Icrc was asking do see mohamedou and administration told themfr that he was not available, and he also talks about that in his book, about getting a letter from his family and wanting to write back that letter but couldnt do so because he wasnt being given access to the icrc representatives who were visiting at guantanamo, which is in contravention of International Law. Were going to save time for questions so if any questions occur, theres microphones. Ill call for them fairly soon. Just come on up and then ask when you get a chance. Theres another thing. You mention 2005, a while back, kind of a turning point. There was a letter actuallyth cited in one of the footnotes of the book, which i went back to, New York Times editorial, entitle the women of gitmo and its essentially saying i notice in the redactions i love that word this blots of india eek. Gitpmo. Sometimes it is clumsy disguising the fact women are taking place in this torture. No one can approve of turning an american soldier into a pseudo lap dancer smearing menstrual blood on a man. These practicpractices are degro the woman as much as they are th rs. That doesnt make sensete to try to unnerve them to make them behave like that. Does it . I cannot speak to theving case of mohamedou but certainly not. Torture is is wrong for people who are tortured but one of the things that mohamedou talkedabout he tries to understand the people who are doing these horrible things to him to understand the consequences. Peop if you read the book you will hear young men and women were guarding him with the concerns they would go toen hell for what they did. But to put them in violence. But to talk about sitting down that release is about the and the standing the experience in the healing way. Lehigh has no animosity and it is true to the women that he interacted with. Ultimately his goal is to get the American Public to understand what happened and also by a dialogue with the people from all of us as americans. A show us this there is some examples how he turns people around in this guarded in p. R. Garden in porter rigo. Liat all in all the environment att guannamo is i not a place of love ted reconciliation but believe a not i see the guards crying i am your friend i dont care when anyone was says said one guard before he left. I was taught bad things about you that my judgment tells me something else. I like you very much alike speaking with you you are a great person said another. I hope you get released he l was told genuinely were all my brothers. I love you consider redacted mid i personally enjoy talking to he was shocked. De what . N i would laugh about the forbidden love. My job is to held rehabilitation. Tar fed governor realized i was deeply injured in neededy real rehab from the moment he started to work redacted h related to be heard the talk to anybody beside me he is to put hiss mattress in front cell door every would talk about all kinds oftory topics like old friends history culture politicsere religion women and everything that Current Events. He was taught was a detainee would try to rusbridge then totoan learn Current Events but i did not try tohey outsmart anybody know or was i interested at the time because it made me sick. And before he left dedicated a copy of pleasure of my pil company to me. Redactedd wrote, till, or the past 10 months have gotten to know you and we have g become friends. Ioo wish you good luck and i will pinkie of you often take good care of yourself. Redacted. , a palo good luck with your situation remember always has a plan. I think we all became friends. For the past 10 months i have done mye damnedest to maintain a detainee relationship i haveible failedke is almost impossible not to like a character like yourself keep your faith y that will guide you in theon. Redirection. My favorite redacted in the book he asks and ask for names in many years showed a bunch of 40 photographs. The dictator in egypt through 70 in city were making fun it of me argue . No. Ice data looks like jim bef dennis says redacted is a former egyptian president who died before i was born. [laughter] like it was a military ibhret. In then to talk about home and to say i heard that and iiyo wept like you will not figure that out and speaking of home a couple of times he had escaped per year he did talk to hisle family . So eventually in 2008ue began to start from calls those at guantanamo to talk at home. They are happening more frequently and now through skype. One of the most tragic moments at guantanamo for mohamedou it is the ongoinghat cruelty of the tension in the torture has stopped but the pain and suffering has not that in 2013 mohamedou had the skype call with his family and his mother wasnt there and there were always very close. They happen infrequently enough that his mother to a good vantage of every single one he asked the family where is my mom . They told him she was sick but it was fine and her h sensed something was wrong and it was right because his motherr had died but thet family was afraid to tell him because he was alone at Guantanamo Bay were hopingess. That when we went there we could k tell him and be there to help to the process. But he knew something was wrong, so he contacted theelpe military who contacted usdo great reliefu to help us set up a phone call that took severale weeks of himm wondering so finally i could have a phone call with him i had a heartbreaking job to say yes tor his suspicions were right and she was gone. C that is the torture those who are incarcerated in prisons they can call their families but regularlyha enought that he cannot doy to that so that is a cruelty that cause reald suffering not only to be separated fromman his mother hoping that reunited but but to be so isolated to find information that is critical to your wellbeing. Ou you probably have a silver medallion with all yourrstle trips tell us a little bit about this place that flies our flag. Ontr said mexican liability, if day military planes over there flights witht charter flights city flight to florida the new flights to guantanamo and one of these flights in delays joke cig they say you are going to cuba that is so great can give me cigars or music . Im basically been dropped to the a middle. [laughter] so a at the military base and housing and early ago for two days at a a time seeto s him for seven and a half hours but it is said to day trip there and back it is quite your deal. Will deliver . I cannot get into details but guantanamo looks like a campus a campus of has a. Starbucks in a mcdonalds[l and subway but i cannot talk about the facility. What is the combination to the front gate . [laughter] are there any questions . Coming from another republican candidate foror president idea respond toto those whose say these are prisonerssou of war and therefore they should beng tried by a military tribunal as opposed to the courts here in the United States . Also something marco rubio said it is the best president the world and they retreated better there than anywhere g else. Of the government hasth gone back and forth that theyutsi should be civilians are enemyl la combat since they actr as if theyre outside the scope of International Law jus altogether the government has to decide one or the other if it is the finestry prison is just not true. It is like every other that i have been too low even with prison and youou cannot call your family if you are worried and the american prison yard 18th pretrial but the time he spent has gone to trial look the full justice rates and have been foundmoha guilty by independent unbiased tribunal where mohamedou has not so theree is thus saithan the in is suffering inherent if you it will endhen you dont have the means forng it to end anbar powless that way. He there is nothing you couldwho pay me to put me in o guantanamo is an awful place it is up prison only those that belong there who were those who are t convicted under a fair process. As the Obama Administration then heroic or villainous. The Obama Administration has been just in its casely h saying that the tension and was of lawful and the aclu has a petition up right now asking u. S. Government to withdraw its appeal of that determination and never should have been appealed in the first place it is not just toase delay a in delay and delay his hearing to have his case reviewed. To me it is always said someone a fair m opportunity when you detain them without charge. It is hard to say he wrote villain although it has done some great things that they may disagree with strongly but i am heartened by a the president s commitment to closing guantanamo others have also been waiting three years are now getting scheduled seidel told him to his promise to get people out of here if he fulfills the promise it is 100 percent hero m for me. Get backea to how he ended up there in the first place categorically withoutfrom sources he plays and 9 11 darr we talk about that but from the very beginning does anything really wing cam to something that should be punished for . Sho rt initially the allegations have changed over the years and then tried to cross the border with a car full ofeen explosives and tending to block the los angeles airport so there was suspicion because he was ingove montreal that there was a link but the government hased abandoned that. Pe the other guy was arrested and charged and testified in with his opinion ordering his release he made those statements of against mohamedou then there was an allegation an 9 11 they he recruited those involved in 9 11 that in the judges co opinion ordering his release kn reviewing all the evidence that the government could muster that there is no way mohamedou even knew about 9 11. Says he describes the case of guilt by long ago associations, a meaning he went to afghanistan in the earlyat a 90s and during that time he swore an oath of loyalty to al qaeda which was in its wholly Different Organization atport that time fighting against the communist government with the support of the unitedead States Government if you ever those watch Charlie Wilsons war you would know. Tinu some of those people continued so that a subset of sums up thet a governments case. T quiche billed to get a medal taken duet without hurtingelec anybody. N who was selected to be on those . Re what factors do they look atmb toer determine if there is a continuous threat . There three panel membersyve a changeover time so the question is how has someone behavior while they were at guantanamo . He has been exemplary they look at conditions of the country so theyll look at mauretania if he is released today provide for his safety . So the review board can ask him fa questions and i will beh there is private counselwil like to make a statement. T we can pull evidence from is family members and peopleking that knew him what is life is like outside of theat t tribunal but mostly it is a3 forward looking process. There has been 23 review board hearings 19 were found not to present a current threat so the state department has repatriated or in the process to find a place fort them to go i know how you got connected with him. In 2005 and theyre dis trying to find added he was in guantanamo there is annoth article suggesting that nobody knew. Said he contacted a lawyer mo in france who worked with my former partner of in civilrights cases so the french lawyer said can you had figure out if this person is in guantanamo . We were talking about representing someone when the litigation started as a wit lawyer if i do we will suspend the rule of law without any type of process they would be angry i wanted to be a part of the effort to push back. We called up the government and said is mohamedou at guantanamo and said we cannot tell you that until you file so there was another lawyer who had been f asked to work on the case for Constitutional Rights is f one of the former the four runners that took on the task so then rejoining to join him on his position so i came on to the cageht marchi 2005 then met mohamedou an august we haveve been fighting ever since. I get confused and then end game initially said you dont like the idea to shipping the not too different prisonsa around the world and you are hopeful before he leaves office switches to. So that will be a longterm put process. This is just my position personally is if you have charges to put someone onne trial who are currently facing charges with the military, yo commission if theres anybody in charge of the criminal offense and you should do that. Then you can find and if you y can than they need to be som released it has been 15 years if you cannot charge somebody with a crime they should be released. [applause]eall i was intrigued with one paragraph talking about some horrible examples in he saysexam since they speak about myat t experience 72 talkedabout every single case or maybe in another case will there be another book . I hope so. He writes prolifically so ihims hope so i hope his next book he is here talking to all of you. I have questions and getting the logistics to get the book out in the tha meeting around the geneva of convention but talking about a threat to nationalues security i am surprised there were not confiscated a ute or for surprise he hadover access to paper or writing utensils but i cannot abo imagine that there wasnt a some controversy around that . Ith i am curious of that process to begin with and how he gotn. Connected with the editor a. M. Thetio process. A good question. Went they first met in early t 2005 theha guards had given him the notebook he had written 90 pages of hiswhen story that was the very beginning and in the months of after that he wrote the book us byrtedend them to the end of the year we had the t full 400 pages so we started to work everythinglea that they write to their deterrent attorneys is presumptively classified we cannot share it and tell the government clears that and there is a process of resubmitted the book into the process to determine if it was classified and the government refused to do that. So the legal team litigated the issue seven years wea foughtll to get his book out and we fought and finally in 2012 we realized this book would not get out so alternately to be waived attorneyclientt privilege to go back to guantanamo at which point they would review that and release it restricted with a stamp that says protected datasets made wit up designation just for guantanamo cases we can share with our team that not use a we had to say that is not right we know you want to add the unclassified version but one year isll later the unclassified version is what you see together but to take on the royall as editor it was all along hardfought process and even though the las book was written in 2005 he only got to see it last year in the book feels gets is is mad at the mauritanian authorities. To say your country, we agreed not to use any fou words. [laughter] but it is screwedrmer up. S [laughter] but is there any thing happening as a result . Specifically is thereesom flowback from theseau punishmentsri . I am not sure. The United States and mauritania continue to have a positive relationship and mauritania has been asking for mohamedou to be releasednk there are three mauritania and to have returned home. The and the government wasse continuing to ask for his release. Tent one of the ironies of mohamedou story is one of who the major arguments is he has the cousin who was a spiritual advisor to osama bin maudlin and he returned to mauritania man and 2012 ande. Has been living there as a free man since then and wasciat of blessing with theoham blessing of the United States government so they use that association but everybody else is walking down to and u that is frustrating tose us. We do believe it is used as a recruiting tool. Do you believe those who time there are moreow likely to fight against the United States because of the way they were treated . I dont know. I dont know. Ell with your second question they are a very diverse groupup of people. O i can tell you thatstra mohamedou will not commit is a commit acts of violence with his frustration landing gear, all was done to him but he just to engage in meaningful dialogue. Ingth it is dangerous when we talk about a group of people as denvers to say they will do this or that it passed to be a case by case basis. S. Clearly did says stain on our history as it isu committed to the rule of law and human rights. And with this initiative in the world. That isis probably the biggest. Is there a final thing . Another portion of mohamedou but to what sounds so t powerful would he know and what he said said end what he did. D, t he says crisis always brings the best and the worst doesnt really do torture detainees are is a part of a conspiracy