dinner is has on the side -- has on ménage -- hasan minaj. week, ruth bader ginsburg offered what the hill describes as criticism of the process forrmation now justice neil gorsuch. and said that by comparison, her 1993 confirmation was collegial. she spoke at georgetown university while promoting her latest book. we will show the event in its entirety. it is a little over an hour and 15 minutes. afternoon everyone and welcome. it is a pleasure to be here with all of you. as our spring semester draws to a close for our bernstein symposia. i wish to begin by expressing our deepest appreciation to justice ruth bader ginsburg for joining us here on campus today. it is an honor to welcome her to gaston hall and you listen to her reflections this afternoon. i also wish to express our gratitude to the honorable robert katzman. for all of his efforts to make this extraordinary symposium possible for our community. i look forward to sharing a few more words about judge rubber katzman in just a few minutes. i would also like to thank the present mary hartman and professor wendi williams from center who will join justice ginsburg in conversation this afternoon. her authorized biographer's and co-authors of own words"book, "my published this last year. finally, i wish to thank all of you for being here today for the special gathering. the bernstein symposium was dr.ted under the memory of martha bernstein who is work in the areas of regulation, personnel and administrative reform continues to influence scholars today. he served as the founding dean of the woodrow wilson school of public and international affairs at princeton. as president of brandeis, and for the last seven years of his life as a professor of politics and philosophy here at our school of foreign service. we are deeply grateful to michael and susan gelman and all of those who have generously supported this symposium. and enabled us to bring such esteemed guests to campus including vice president al gore, tim russert, senator patrick leahy, and justices sonja sotomayor and stephen breyer to take part in this form which honors dr. bernstein's many contributions to our university community and to our understanding of the u.s. political system. today, we have the privilege of ginsburg,ruth ater associate justice of the supreme court of the united states. since her confirmation to the court nearly 25 years ago, she has brought a thoughtful, measured approach to her distinguished service on the bench, holding consensus and voicing eloquence in dissent. we are deeply honored to have her with us this afternoon to share her insights and reflections with our georgetown community. to introduce justice ginsburg, it is my pleasure to welcome chief judge rubber katzman of the u.s. court of appeals for the second circuit. judge katzmann was appointed to by federal bench in 1999 president clinton. and he began his service as inef judge, 14 years later 2013. judge katzmann is also an engaged member of our georgetown community, having taught as the walsh professor. the boardly serves on of visitors of our law center and is also one of the founders of this symposium. before his appointment to the second circuit, he was a fellow of the governmental teddies program at the brookings institution and served as president of the governance institute. in 2001, he received the marion a word the american political science association and in 2003, he was named a fellow of the american academy of arts and sciences. in 2011, he received the chesterfield smith upward from the pro bono institute in recognition of his house ending dedication to pro bono work including programs regarding immigration. this award was presented to him by justice ginsburg who engaged his guidance and expertise when he served as special counsel, pro bono to senator moynihan and then judge ginsburg, door -- during her confirmation process to the supreme court. it is welcome to welcome you back to campus this afternoon and i want to thank you again for your leadership, your generosity, and your sustained commitment to our community. ladies and gentlemen, please join me in welcoming the honorable judge rubber katzman. [ applause ] judge katzmann: it is nice to be back. thank you president john degioia introduction,ent or elevating our proceedings with your introduction and your efforts to promote understanding on difficult issues that confront our society. it was bernstein's idea that georgetown should create a position that would bridge the campuses between the law center downtown and the main campus and he worked with the law center to make that a reality. as a beneficiary of that effort, i will always be grateful to him. the bernstein symposium brings the campuses together and our -- and in our program this afternoon, we draw up on the talents of the main campus and the georgetown law center faculty. i know that my friend, bill trainor, dean of the law school regrets of being out of town today. and we appreciate his appreciate that his participation in previous years. this symposium series is very dear to me and i'm very grateful to still be part of it and grateful to the government distinguished its chair, charles king, for all of his wife's counsel. counsel.l of his wise i am also very grateful to the friends of bernstein that made this symposium possible including the gelman's as the president mentioned. this is, for me this afternoon, a particularly special occasion. for several reasons. music has always been important to me as it is for some many people. what else but music can give a person a sensation both soothing and inspiring, it transporting experience that has rich associations in its wake of the memory. verdir it be the notes of or beyoncé -- there is some music out there that speaks to each of us must something universal. thrillit is a distinct to me to introduce as our bernstein honoré someone who demonstrably understands something about universal values and someone who in fact, has performed twice on the opera stage with the washington national opera at the kennedy , no less. the washington post story recently praised our guest for not only her performance, but for her writing as well. "her timing, delivery and material that she wrote herself were all even more polished and ." every mark the headline observed -- before adoring crowds, justice prevails. [ applause ] justice,zmann: writing, superb delivery, i think you know where i am headed here. the post story was indeed not about the reaction to justice ginsburg reading of a consequential opinion from the supreme court bench come are the reaction to one of her well-crafted beaches to a to arsity -- speeches university, the washington post story was a review of justice ginsburg, already acknowledged as a veritable rock star, as always -- an opera star. the kennedy center opera house was filled with an adoring crowd that roared with adulation for her at every opportunity. ginsburg rules washington national opera. another washington post headline. is, of course,g also a supreme court justice, a national icon. [ applause ] judge katzmann: the subject of looks, pop art, -- the subject ooks, pop art, and soon a movie starring natalie portman. why is this so? in part, justice ginsburg had -- is celebrated for her impact as a judge on this country's highest court, the second woman ever on this court. for her path marking, contributions to the development for herher -- methodical and brilliant analyses and prose. in part it is because of her trailblazing role because -- before becoming a judge. i think it is also because the american public admires her character, her values, and feel a connection with her. i witnessed that connection for stance as president john degioia acknowledged. in the course of her confirmation journey in the summer of 1993 when she was first thrust international celebrity when i accompanied her to capitol hill at the invitation of her senate sponsor, daniel patrick moynihan . an experience i will always cherish. for me, the most telling moment of that confirmation hearing came in response to a question from senator kohl, of wisconsin. and he asked her -- how would she want the american people to think of her? and ruth bader ginsburg replied quietly, i would like to be thought of as a person who cares about people and does the best she can with the talent she has to make a contribution to a better world. that i think captures justice ginsburg's aspirations. she is a perth and desperate she is a person with seemingly endless capacities for friendship. no matter the weighty burdens of her daily life. she is a friend for the chilly winters of life. someone who places others before her own convenience as i have observed. andone of conviction determination. it person with the true sense of the aesthetic, taken by the simple pleasures of life. orther it be a beloved aria a horseback ride. to know her and her family, and her incomparable partner party and her accomplished children and indeed, her entire family is to have a sense of what to her our life's blessings. justice ginsburg is someone of great prodigious work habits, good humor, dignity, and style. in justice ginsburg, the public observes someone for home the law is not about distractions. her life in the law has been and can you -- and continues to be about working to ensure that each of us can really -- can realize our potential. she has always been determined to meet challenges and struggle through the obstacles to secure a better future for those of us and those of us that follow. that in during connection that she established with the american people who watched the confirmation hearing was based on their perception that in this age, too often ripped by lits and self-promotion, ruth bader ginsburg with someone whose virtues were and are very real. that on, i could sense connection as persons of all ages approached her for an autograph and she agreed with friendliness. it is a firming of our country and ourselves that this intellectual powerhouse woman draws huge crowds and is a fixture extolled in pop culture. of our bernstein program is the recent publication of my own work which is a collection of justice ginsburg's writings. it is a great read and i cannot recommend it enough. indeed, everyone here will get a copy. the book has been wildly heralded in book reviews as a collection of thoughtful writing about perseverance, and community and the law. reflecting an abiding commitment to protect outsiders and others as a core american value. required to the current national discourse. showing the justice's astonishing intellectual range. tribute to those who came before her and others who work with her. my own words as a model for all of us, precise, very, you to full structure, like a wonderful piece of music. nowing me in conversation are justice ginsburg and her two colleagues on the project, mary hartnett, and action professor at georgetown law that focuses on international women's rights, and when did williams, professor of law emeritus at georgetown law, that is known for her work on the subject of it gender and law. please join me now as we welcome justice ginsburg and her colleagues on stage for a conversation. [ applause ] judge katzmann: i have never heard such a applause at a university institution. that is extraordinary. justice ginsburg, if i might begin, why this book of writings and why now? the originalerg: maryis that windy and would write the biography, my authorized biography. you two started in 2004. they came to me and said -- someone is going to write about you. so, you might as well designate people that you trust. and we volunteer. that theye idea was would write the biography, and then as a supplement, we would have a collection of my writings. became 2010 -- so, i suggested, why not flip the order, do the book of writings first and then the biography. were enthusiastic about the idea and so was your publisher. [ laughter ] and someday, and maybe they can tell you when, the biography will be here. such aatzmann: bestseller as it is. there will be some lead time before the book is published. >> no pressure on us. judge katzmann: tell us, windy and mary, about the process of gathering and choosing the materials to be published. , the forthcoming biography, we cannot publish yet because justice ginsburg keeps doing amazing things. and we need to cover them all. applause ]d but, selecting the material was a lot of fun. i have to tell you that it was not easy. here is why. justice ginsburg is an extraordinarily prolific writer and speaker. and not just as a supreme court justice, not just as a judge, not just as a law professor or litigator. for the first piece in the collection, we went back over 70 years to a piece that justice ginsburg wrote when she was in eighth grade. it probably will not surprise you to know that she was the editor of her school newspaper at the public school in brooklyn. the name of the paper was the "highway herald." the first piece in this book she wrote when she was in eighth grade. other items in the school newspaper talked about the circus, the school play. but young ruth wrote about the 10 commandments. the magna carta. the bill of rights. the declaration of independence. and the united nation's charter which had just been adopted. [ applause ] to understand the enormity of trying to select just enough to fill a book as opposed to gaston hall. i met withdy and justice ginsburg and got a big picture, the sheep we thought we wanted the book to be in. and then, windy and i exchanged 28 drafts of an outline. and then, the nice thing about working with justice ginsburg is that she has a phenomenal memory. we would talk about a particular speech and she would say -- we might want to consider the version that i gave in paris in 2008 where i talked about brown versus the board of education and so we did. and justice ginsburg has an amazing staff led by kim mckenzie who would go and find that piece. we were aided in that. he other fun part about selecting the pieces was that we also needed to select photographs. justice ginsburg, when she was speaking at georgetown law last year, came in advance of her speech into my office which was literally wallpapered with pictures of justice ginsburg at every stage of her life and of omar to and her family. and so, we had a fun time with tina trainor -- with dean trainor picking out photos for the book. and then, the last part was an introduction to the book. and then, windy and i had a challenge in that writing the introduction to each section, we could not put in the whole chapter we had already written for the forthcoming biography. we had to winnow out if you keep parts and leave something for the future. >> just a few words. first of all, i just have to do a shout out to marry. mary.e to m -- to she keeps me on track and on time. which we all know is an incredible job. she has been the go-between among the three of us, making sure that we all produce. and telling us that there are certain things that cannot go in the book because we have a page limit. that is what i lived through. and it was extremely stressful but it was also wonderful. and i think, it is fair to say, that one of our goals, consistent with what we know is that of the justice, is that we would make it accessible, not just to lawyers and the legal profession. to the general public as well. and i hope we have achieved that goal. you will be the judge of that because you all will have the book soon and you can let us all know if you think we did it right or not. job wasourse, the main to capture the essence of the justice's style which is unique and her substance which is a remarkable performance. it down to, boil its essence and presented in a book. -- our i want to say efforts, i just cannot help myself. our efforts include not just her couple othert a tidbits as well. and one of them, well, you already know that she loves the opera. right? she starred in an opera. well, not quite starred but -- but the problem is she cannot saying very well. [ laughter ] -- she cannot sing very well. [ laughter ] >> she said if she could, she would be a diva but as it was, she had a pretty good job. one of the things we included in the book was an excerpt from an opera and some of you may have heard of it -- it is called scalia-ginsberg. and you get a little taste of an opera about the supreme court and these two justices in this book. and the second thing, i am thereally fond of here is are excerpts from two speeches in honor of the justice by a splendid guy ruth ginsburg calls her life partner. tax lawyer and, law professor at georgetown, martin ginsburg. known to all as marty. i think, you will find some there and th -- in she is byrue to who some others. and at the core of it are our efforts together to present you with the essence of what she believes and how she operates and how she thinks and what she has contributed. and so, that is it. judge katzmann: justice ginsburg, before you were on the supreme court, you of course litigated in front of the supreme court. and in the 1970's, you work had litigator in the women's rights the aclu. you took part in 34 cases before the supreme court as either the litigator or the code litigator. the sixfive out of cases that you argued there. can you talk about how you develop your legal strategy? were theinsberg: those good old days. legal strategies were created. first was to convince judges that there was such a thing as gender-based discrimination. think george is rists were convinced that race discrimination was odious. never saw acourt gender discrimination case that they regarded as anything but a favor to the woman. 1872 or 1873k to -- a woman qualified to be a member of the illinois state bar in all respects but one. that she was a woman. and the court could rationalize unpleasanting -- things sometimes go on in courtrooms and a lady would not want to be present. one comes -- that will be reenacted at the supreme court on monday. this was a 1948 case. the michigan supreme court -- the michigan legislature passed a law saying that women may not attend our unless -- may not are thear unless they wife or the daughter of the male --. when that came to the supreme court, the opinion was rather live -- was rather glib. happened aty things taverns and saloons and it was best to keep the dainty woman out. later, 1961, there was a case where someone stood trial for the murder of her philandering and abusive husband. there were no women on the florida juries. thathe supreme court solve as a favor -- saw that as a favor to women who were the center of home and family life. and therefore, they should not be distracted by being called away from home for jury duty. let theobjective was to court to understand that these classifications, far from , not on women, kept her a pedestal, but in a cage. that was the job for us, to persuade that there was such a thing as gender-based discrimination. that were ouross immediate target were laws that windy williams described so well as creating separate spheres for people. and so, there was the woman who took care of the home and the children. and the man who took care of the family's economic well-being. and many laws were written with that picture of how life should be organized in mind. say -- effort was to there is something wrong with that picture of the world. women who are not particularly good at the home job but may be very good as a firefighter or a police. all of those were off-limits to women at the time. and there are many men who genuinely care for children. and so, the laws should speak about parent rather than mother or father. the object was to break down all of those explicit gender-based distinctions so that people as free to be you or me. whatever your god-given talent, you could be free to be. and whether you were male or female should not hold you back. windy, maybe you would like to add to that. 1970's, when date was a principal litigator for an organization based in san francisco called "equal rights advocates." wendi: still in existence and going strong. it was an amazing 10 years, it really nine years i guess that burgeoninged led the women's legal movement in this country. part of her strategy was -- she taught law on top of being a supreme court litigator. and she was very focused on schooling the justices rather than attacking way or bullying them in any and she did it brilliantly. -- i guess inshe the very early cases, she tried to get the court to understand race discrimination and sex discrimination are not identical phenomena, they both need to be closely scrutinized by courts to ensure equal protection of the laws for women. and for people of color. so, she tried to get the court to do that. and, characteristically, i would did when the supreme court not quite bring it self to do that, she picked a middle approach and brought them along. she went in the end, on the supreme court and got to write the opinion that pulled that all together for all time. judge katzmann: let me if i views ask you about your -- there is aense thoughtful reading in the book about the role of dissents. you discussed the importance of respecting and opponents point of view even when publicly disagreeing. as you exhibited for example in shelby versus holder. the voting rights act case. you talk about dissents and how justice brandeis would sometimes right a dissent and then not publish it as a whole book of his unpublished dissents. can you give us a sense of your , when you of dissents write about a dissent and how you think about them? i had greatberg: role models in that respect. brandeis and holds. i think it was homes that said -- if i dissented in every case where i thought the court got it wrong, it would ruin my dissent so i will save them for the ones that really matter. i keep on my desktop unpublished opinions of justice brandeis. these were opinions that he had labored over but in the end, he thought what the court had done would not do any harm and so he would bury it and it would become a graveyard dissent. so, his view was that his voice compellingl the more if he saved those dissents for when it really mattered. cardoza was the same kind of justice. , paul, who professor -- they knewandeis --tice cardoza very often when it came down to the published opinion, suppressed his vote at conference. many times, he voted one way at conference but then would go the view way, always with the that what the court was doing would do no harm. it was ok. and so, i do not take every opportunity to dissent. i do try to save them for when it counts, when it really matters. >> may i jump in? another example of justice ginsburg's generosity with her time is i taught a course on the role of dissenting opinions. we had a surprise guest lecturer when evening. i thought justice ginsburg's tourity detail was going have to administer cpr to half of this dudes. thank you again -- to half of the students. thank you again. book,katzmann: in your you include your rose garden acceptance speech. and your opening statement to the senate confirmation hearing. looking back, what stands out to you about the nomination confirmation experience? justice ginsberg: one vivid a very bright, then ,oung man, who was my guide daniel patrick moynihan. around theake me congressional office buildings. bob would be walking and he would say -- this is what she is interested in. to talkould be wise not about this, that, or the other thing. that was the honorable robert katzman. remember is the collegiality and the stability of that entire process. on june 14, 1993 3. i was confirmed on august there was a truly bipartisan spirit in the congress. my biggest supporter on the judiciary committee was orrin hatch. the vote was 96-3. thermind that i had been on board of the aclu and the cofounder of the women's rights process. not a single question was asked about my aclu connections. prior who came one year after, it was pretty much the same. a collegial atmosphere. recentg the most confirmation, i wish there was a way that we could wave a magic want and get back to the way it was and the way it should be. we can onlynn: help. we can only hope. what i remember about that process was that the white house brings in experts to talk to the nominee. and ruth bader ginsburg knew more about each subject than the expert. [ laughter ] judge katzmann: and it was a really humbling experience for all of those coming in. justice ginsberg: that was one of the best weeks for me because i could choose any law professor that i respected to bring me up to speed in various areas of the law. you realize how popular ruth ginsburg was, not just when people would come up autograph,ask for an but the senators a cross parties all wanted a photo opportunity. to talk to an senator and it became clear that what the senator really wanted was a picture to send back. and i also remember very fondly that senator grassley -- there was a group from iowa that was putting on some ice cream demanded -- some ice cream demonstration in the capital. and he said to then judge ginsburg, would you mind coming with me to this ice cream demonstration? and we went. and it was a different time than we have now. justice ginsberg: the dairy farmers. judge katzmann: exactly. it was thesberg: most spectacular selection of ice cream. every flavor. [ laughter ] judge katzmann: it was delicious. i remember. you have a new colleague as of a couple of weeks ago. how does the court change when the are having have a new justice of the supreme court, we have to get a photograph of the court. when we haven't done. ishink the person who happiest is the departing junior justice which is justice kagan. job ofey have the opening the door if anyone during the conference. they have to answer the telephone, most often at all they have to stay after we leave all the cases we granted review. she relays all of those to the entourage from the clerk's office and to the press office. has one junior justice more assignment and they have to to serve on the cafeteria committee. battle but uphill they did succeed in getting a frozen yogurt machine. [laughter] it is musical chairs because our seats change in the court. you ask about change with the new justice coming on board, i is whene biggest change justice o'connor retired. changesve been other but not with that kind of leaving us.of but just from a personal point of view when there are two of us we did not look alike or speak alike. but when justice o'connor left men andre these mostly their there was this small little woman. us, it is muchof better. >> i have talked about my who changedfessor the way i read and write. said whento what you you made that extraordinarily to tookroduction, courses at cornell university that have stay with me my entire life. fine arts 101. for any of you who are college thatnts i would recommend whatever your interest is due take music and art. >> i do agree. >> you made a lot of great decisions in your life and this goes back to something that wendy mentioned. a great decision to marry marty ginsburg, can you tell us something about that decision? >> we met when he was 18 and i was 17. he was a second year at cornell, he had a girlfriend at the time and i had a boyfriend at columbia law school. we would see each other on the so my friends thought we would like each other. started, just we as friends. his when he gave up chemistry major because it interfered with his golf practice. >> and fairness he was on the golf team. >> yes, he was. he switched to government and he would ask what courses are you taking and then we would sign up for the same classes. way iere along the was the first lloyd probably the only boy that i have ever known. who cared that i had a brain. a friend of mine a classmate said that you are fantastically lucky because he is so secure wouldhimself that he never regard you as a competitor or a threat. years we all the 56 spent together he was always my biggest booster. my first year of law school party was breaking to his classmates that his wife was going to be on the associate while review based on grades. board, only woman on the she looked at me and thought i was a -- and your husband is breaking about you. as i said marty was my biggest booster. another great thing about him is on fromlearned early two women that it would be good to develop skills in the kitchen. those women were his mother and his wife. think his wife does my care about his mother. i had an arrangement where would do the everyday cooking and he would do the weekend cooking. what's company came over i was never allowed to cook again. my daughter around her early has lawyers noticed this in enormous difference between us and mommy should be phased out of the kitchen. so marty became the only chef in our family and when i moved to when we wouldurt meet quarterly, marty was always the number one pick to do the luncheon. there is a book that you can get at the supreme court get shop, it is called supreme chef. inspired by a very good she and when marty died thought the best gift she could give to him would be a cookbook of his recipes. >> the thing about him was he was so remarkable in so many ways, if you just thought about him as a tax lawyer or a professor of tax. he would be extraordinarily distinguished in those ways. , chef, these other towns golf, he really was a unique person and it was a privilege to be his friend and to be his colleague. you include some wonderful writings from marty, do you have a favorite? me --reat introduction of one of those is an marty's own words. it is in the audiobook. >> it was a fellowship anniversary program in georgia. >> i remember that. >> the other one was a speech , he washad written planning to give it to the 10th incuit judicial conference 2010. when he died that year his had been written out, i went to the 10th circuit and i read his speech. i don't have quite the timing he would have had, but it was ok. is the basis for this film that will begin in august. >> one last question before we turned it over to the audience, out,is as we have pointed in the book there are excerpts scalia andera ginsburg. we have excerpts from that conference and there have been full performances that i know about in virginia. is good to be on august 4 and 15th. us about yourl decision to include those about your talk relationship with justice scalia before we turn it over to the students? >> the opera was written by a music major at harvard and he has a masters. bedecided that it would helpful to know a little bit about the law. so he enrolled in his hometown law school at the university of maryland. taking his law class he was reading these dueling dissent of scalia and ginsburg. he decided that this could make a very funny opera. would convey a little bit about the law. it opensflavor of it, with scully is rage aria. it goes this way. blind, howices are can they possibly stand this. the constitution says absolutely nothing about this. him that you are making bright line solutions to easy questions. the great thing about our constitution is that like our society it can't evolve. >> that sets it up. it is roughly based on mozart's magic flute. he has been locked up in a dark room for defendant. enter. [laughter] [applause] i enter to help him get to these trials. commendatory who asks how can you come to his assistance, i say now he is not my enemy, he is my friend. that is really the theme of the opera. who think thate things very differently. they like each other and enjoy each other's company, one of the things that justice scalia did was he would read one of my opinions and he would call to correct my grammar. never on paper but he would always call. we disagree in the virginia that offered great advantages to women. we went back and forth and it was like a pinball game. scalia came to my chambers one with some paper and he so this is my penultimate draft, it is not yet ready to be submitted to the court but i want to give you as much time to do this. took this draft all the way with me to albany, i was going to the second circuit conference. reading it absolutely ruined my weekend. [laughter] i was grateful that he gave me the extra time to respond. this case was ever so much stronger because it had scalia. i call that case on accident. is entitled supreme court versus virginia, it is the case that she pulled it all together. off last month to celebrate the anniversary at the mi -- virginia military academy. this hugehere was group of people in identical uniforms. they gave her a standing ovation. they were all these women up there. now i have a photograph in my the recruits who are doing very well. we now realize we made a very wise decision. >> we will hear now from the audience. >> i knew this was going to happen. if you can ask your questions just for theis georgetown community. please tell us your name and what year you are in. of 2020,n the class this is the best moment of my life right now. [applause] is for all of the young women in this room, what do you see as some of the and whathallenges advice would you give them if you were to sit down with them? you, theallenges, for more daunting than the ones we faced. i spoke about the gender lines in the law. they cannot be police officers, army, those doors are now open to you. all that is left is what is called unconscious bias. that isillustration of an example of when i grew up, in aever saw a woman orchestra. critics in vacancy and differences in a woman and a man playing. one day someone came up with the of having the people doing the testing not see the people who auditioned. with that simple device, women began to show up to the symphony orchestra. sadly we cannot repeat that in , with my life in the 70's about the antidiscrimination laws, it was against at&t for not promoting women into management jobs. that was there is criteria but they flunked the total person test. which was interviewing the candidates for promotion. that was a deliberate attempt to screen out women. they are facing someone who looks like themselves. if you are confronting a minority group, goodness gracious, he felt an easy. it is getting over that unconscious bias that remains the problem. with this how do you work so that people can have a family life and so they can have a workplace. i think that are the two biggest hurdles. advice is find men and women who what to change and think of yourself like i did as a teacher, do not react in anger. if you call someone a sexist you will turn them off. ask if it is difficult, i felt more like a kindergarten teacher than anything else. i had the knowledge they didn't the would find appealing. >> they do so much, it was an honor to hear you speak today. i am focusing on security, i am who isng as someone interested in joining the legal profession. areas in which you feel when i could be more involved or make more of an impact at this time? can excellp excel -- in any area of the law if they are interested in it. it takes toat become an expert in an area. or in another. with no doors being closed, they should choose what they feel is there. that they are the best equipped to do. would you like to add to that? >> in a way. areas where the have forces.ately male i am sure there are, the general trend has been to include women everywhere. owed for that. also requires of course that you cannot be discriminated against for your sex. but there are jobs that are for reserved fore women, you could be a lawyer, you could work with united states, you could be security. step, no matter what area you go into it is a georgetown tradition to try to give back to changing the law for making the world a better place or tutoring someone. trying to do some pro bono work, some public interest work. be a partvileged to of that, we honor that fight to carry on the tradition. i would like to say that robert has been a great leader and that. he saw a great need in the lawyers toeeting and he made it happen with this project that is going for. lawyers?how many in two and a half years they serve over 28,000 immigrants and their families. ityou look at our fellows turns out that most of them are women. a lot of them are first , theation americans georgetown law center is well represented with the justice court. if you are interested, as college students when you graduate there is the community program for college graduates where you can work in community-based organizations and a large part of the problem is that there is fear. you can really be something by making their life easier by making them understand the american dream and making it easier for them. it is a two-year fellowship with a prospect of a third gear. -- third year. in aellows are trained boot camp, they then get to work with nonprofit organizations, a number of organizations have had to deal with women and children. a rapid response team and texas that has helped over 1000 women. and their children. bar and the immigration making a whole new group of leaders. it has been a real privilege to work with these people. there was nothing, these fellows. program, two middle schoolchildren and produced in schools across the country, but then that idea of seeing the need and knowing that you have a talent that can help respond to the need. the need. >> we are, too. >> i am a sophomore in school. i have two questions. the first one? >> have one question? will you do that? necessary to is tiny?scru >> because i think what we deal with, so i think we deal with it? >> there is a need to look with suspicion at any law that disadvantages a group of people. people arewhen those not proportionately rep accepted in legislative decision making executive decision making, e is as, i do think ther head to give heightened scrutiny laws to disadvantage of any class of people. >> we have time for one last question. >> wow. >> i am a student of chemistry at the college and i was just wondering. you have impressive tep ur on the court. i was wondering what decision you were most proud of and what most disappointed you? >> that question is like asking six grandchildren of? most proud all of them. i love my job. every case is important. ut anyonet single o case that is my favorite. casethink the case the bmi gave me great personal satisfaction and even the title of the case. u.s. against virginia. aspared tofirst tary,e leaders in the mili the air force academy didn't gation was so rele started in the '70's against the military academies and we started by women who thought they prosessed the necessary excluded,ion but were by the time we get to the cases, no longer the women seeking to get in although there were many, who didn't seek admission to bmi, it was the united states' government telling the state of virginia. the government has antidiscrimination policy who cannot exclude people and simply gender,asis of their whether it is excluding a male from a nursing college in mississippi or a woman from the nited. so it was the u states' government saying that is policy of the united states, and virginia. so then, wendy and mary were ruary and it was most exhilarating to see and meet and talk to the women. we're going to be engineers, nuclear scientists. so that is one decision of which i am very proud. i also look the lily led better decision. [applause] i went on the losing side. it was 5-4 decision, buy thought that may colleagues had misinterpreted title 7. describing what the tag was really about, my he ball is now in correct theurt to order in in short both huge majority on sides has. adopted the position as a defense, the defense. >> justice ginsburg, it has been allxtraordinary honor for of us. here. you for being i would like to thank wendy har ary and wendyean, m williams. here is the book. you can get a close-up of the back. [applause] i would like to thank georgetown university president, jack, professor charles king, chairman of the government department for hosting this symposium, and i to also thank jeffrey bible, mary haines, for all of their, their support, andrea barrels. as noethed in your program, please exit boston hall and head firste hallway on the floor of the building in order to see the copy of your "my own words" make sure to bring along in youret located program. thank you all for coming. have a good evening. 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