wants everybody in america to go to college. what a snob! >> bill maher on presidential politics. >> mitt romney is running on that silly idea i ran a business, i know how to create jobs. no, actually, what he did was fire people. >> live and no holds barred. >> i never say anything purposely to piss people off but i say what i feel and that will piss a lot of people off. >> the piers morgan interview starts right now. good evening. two big stories tonight. a deadly shooting at a high school in ohio and a crucial election tomorrow and the presidential hopefuls are making a primary push tomorrow and bill maher will be signing off on this with an exclusive and my one-on-one with newt gingrich. i asked him if his strong performance in cnn's last debate makes him more comfort he can actually win the race. >> i think frankly my energy policy getting to $2.50 a gas on diesel fuel, there's so many things you can do so much better and smarter than barack obama that allows the country to create jobs, to have affordable energy, be independent of the middle east, i think there's a resonating effect going on. the size of the crowds we have been seeing as we campaigned. i am very excited by it. i will spend most of this week in georgia. we will have been in seven states in the last eight days and focused on winning georgia, tennessee, oklahoma, ohio, a number of states that will do better than people expect. i think super tuesday will be a very exciting day. >> more from newt gingrich later. we begin with breaking news of the school in chardon, ohio, killed one student and left four wounded. eyewitness ryan identifies the student as a t.j. lane, on a facebook photo and another student, nate mueller also identifies the suspect as t.j. lane. i want to bring in martin savage and knows the area well. bring us up to speed with the latest developments in this story. >> reporter: i grew up in northeast ohio and had family inside of chardon high school when the shooting occurred. i can tell you this is a story that is horrifying to this community and most people here are still in an absolute state of shock, whether it's the parents, whether it's the students, the community as a whole, they just cannot believe the violence that occurred inside what they thought was a very safe high school. ryan doyle was a freshman in the cafeteria and talked to me exclusively what it was like when it all went down. >> my back was turned, i heard one shot. i turned, i saw another one pointed towards the victim. then i went under the table and i heard two more and i saw coach hall, right when i was going under the table, he was running towards him. there was silence and wasn't any shots fired, so i got up and ran as fast as i could outside to the soccer field and across the street. as i was going outside, i heard one more shot. >> reporter: one of the fascinating things was during an all of that, not a single word was said by the shooter. no scream, no shout, nothing. just gunfire and absolute silence. that's what the victims remember most. piers. >> do we know anything about this alleged shooter, t.j. lane. we know he's 17, attends the school, a silent attack. is there any indication at the moment for any motive about what happened? >> reporter: you know, when you talk to people here and this sounds like cliche, it is so true with everyone i've spoken to that knows this young man. he was quiet, a loner, he had walls he essentially emotionally had built up from around himself. came from a broken home, raised by his grandparents, older brother in prison. he had a very hard upbringing. he looked different, skinny, skater haircut, a goth look and others say he was picked on a lot, going all the way back to middle school and maybe, just maybe it reached a boiling point today. nobody says that is justification, they just pointed it's a window on what was a very very troubled young man. piers. >> horrific story, martin savidge, thank you so much. lots to talk about in the news and luckily have a man who knows a lot about all the stories everyday. bill maher, welcome back. >> nice to be here. >> awful story to start with. another school shot shooting. what is your take. another boy went to school with a sack and a gun went off. coming from britain as i do, i find a lot of the gun laws in this country incomprehensible. >> do the bobbies carry guns now? >>. >> very few. you have to have a license. >> it's not a gun culture. this is a gun culture. we love guns. i would love somebody to make a speech and say, we will never get rid of all the guns. do we have to adore them? do we have to love them so much. i look at guns like antibiotics. you know, maybe sometimes you need them, but i don't kiss my antibiotics, i don't polish them, i don't worship my amoxy sill lin. if i need it, it's there. this country has a very bad relationship with guns. >> what is it about this ideological dream of the right to bear arms that overrides any rights, the rights to not have your children killed at school. it seems to me it's all a little warped here, ever since i've been in america doing this show from gabby giffords on wards there have been regular incidents involving guns you can't really work out how the perpetrators have got hold of these weapons in any sensible legal manner. >> and how many thousands have been shot since gabby giffords. to focus on that one woman and we're glad she resofrd to the extent she did and when she came back to congress, it was great feel good story. maybe we need a feel bad story to wake people up a little bit about guns. i thought obama was going to make a speech about them, we were promised that. the speech he made when he went to tucson. we can't point any fingers, we all love guns equally, is the not the time, read the book of job, stuff happens. that's not what we need. we need someone to stand up to the gun lobby. we don't have that in our country. the reason, al gore lost his home state of tennessee in the 2000 election, ever since, because he was a little not pro nra enough, and ever since then, the democratic party has punted on this issue. it's one of those issues we don't have a party at all that stands up for the millions of people in this country who believe we should take a different approach. >> i find it so strange there can't be at least some kind of positive debate about removing some of the 300 million guns that are apparently in circulation in america. 300 million firearms. it's no surprise to me there are so many crazy incidents because the access, ease you can get these weapons is there, anyone can get a gun. >> obviously. rick santorum likes to talk about theology. this is a theology in this country. guns are a religion. they're next to godliness for a lot of people. you wonder what they're doing with them. i know they love to blow the brains out of innocent animals for fun, i guess that's one thing. they also have this fantasy in their head, if you talk to a lot of right wingers that somehow they read the second amendment as necessary because we might have a tierney in this country, some sort of alien totalitarian menace might take over, not saying who specifically, but then they will have to rise and take this country back. they really have this fantasy in their head that they can take over the government. this may have made sense when the second amendment was written, when maybe you could defeat the government when everybody had muskets. now the government has nuclear weapons, the f22 and the marine corps and it's probably unlikely that vern and earl are going to be able to take over the government no matter how much they dislike it. >> how many democrats believe passionately in the right to have your own firearm, do you think? what's your sense? >> i don't think they believe it as passionately as the right. they don't want to oppose them on that. >> change will only come when a body of people, politicians, rise up and actually do something about this, because it can't just -- you can't just have endless proliferation of firearms. >> politicians are moved by voters. if they thought there were votes in there or more per tently not votes to lose. we have presidential elections that are probably only contested in 12 states. about 12 states, swing states. we here in california, we will never see a campaign commercial because we're already in the bag for the democrats and texas is already in there for the republicans. new york doesn't see ads. those 12 states, that's where they worry about, pennsylvania, florida, ohio, colorado. well, those are states you think about them, lots of people there love their guns. >> when i had people -- had this debate with them and get into an argument, they say, look, it is in the constitution of our country, the right to bear arms. it's there, it is written down, it is our right and it's hard to argue against that position, isn't it? it is in the constitution. >> of course, it's in the constitution but where does that end? the constitution could not foresee assault weapons or bazookas. should we be able to have those? what about a tank? what about a nuclear weapon if you could afford it? it's ridiculous. no one is say iing we're attempting to create a gun-free society. we know that's impossible, just reasonable limits. make sure that the mentally ill people don't get them, make sure you can't get them at these gun shows, these loopholes. i know people say, if we just enforce the gun laws, apparently we're not doing that either. as you say, it's so easy for any nut to get ahold of a gun and then to modify it, like the guy did in tucson, to the point where you can really do incredible damage in a short amount of time. >> we don't know the circumstances of this shooting today but the fact a 17-year-old boy can arm himself, i think very easily, still in this country, in many parts of america, any 17-year-old kid could get a firearm. that's my problem. i'm not trying to rewrite the constitution or tell people they can't defend themselves in their own home. i get that argument. i don't get the ease of access to people who should not be allowed anywhere near weapons. >> by the way, there's nothing wrong with saying we should rewrite the constitution. the constitution itself was where he written. the second amendment means we had a second thought about this and we needed to amend it. people, of course, they don't really read the constitution, not really sure what's in it. a lot of the right wingers in this country thinks the cushi constitution consists of the second amendment and blah blah yatta yatta whatever. >> are you disappointed obama hasn't done something more concrete about guns? >> of course. >> hold that thought. i want to ask you if you're so disappointed in him, why have you just given him a million dollars, bill maher? we'll come back after the break. 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>> i didn't do it one day but thought about it a long time. what i said right after that was that i wanted to make the point that this really hurt. it does hurt me to write a check for a million dollars. i wanted to sort of inspire a lot of the people out there on the left who are rich, who this wouldn't hurt at all. there's lots of people who will never miss a million dollars. i will miss it. i will miss it badly. >> how bad will you miss it? >> i'm driving a cab at night now. i'm not. i'm still going to eat the same but digest it a lot more peacefully. these republicans scare me. if this was europe and we had 10 parties to choose from, maybe i would feel different. yes, obama has disappointed me in some ways. after watching these republicans debate for this last year and hearing their ideas for the country, not only do i think is the for the betterment of the nation, i would do this on a selfish level because if we elect a republican and they go back to the policies that were there before obama, i could see my money getting vaporized like it did in 2008, when i had it with lehman brothers. i'm not blaming that specifically on the republican administration but the policy of not taxing the rich, which was bush's policy, the policy of deregulation of wall street, which was mostly a republican policy, you know, republican policies are failed ideas. to go back to them could be more disastrous for what money i have left than anything else i can think of. >> have you heard from the president since your donation? >> well, no, because it wasn't to him, it was to the super pac. >> super pac. >> which he has nothing to do with. >> nothing to do with! here's my issue with that. obama was always very anti-these super pacs and then he woke up and realized, i will get flattened by this. >> it's a silly argument. >> is it a silly argument? >> of course it is. this is what the republicans would like you to believe it's somehow hypocritical. you can be against something. as long as it's against the rules in the present, you can play in the present. >> can you? that's still hiypocrisy? >> he would out-and-out lose this elections. you have to keep two distinct thoughts in your mind at the same time. one, we're against the policy. two, as long as this is the rules of the game, we have to play by the rules. >> even if you think it's more rally and ethically wrong? >> of course. otherwise he doesn't win. if he wins, he might be able to appoint a couple nor supreme court justices to overturn that awful ruling citizens united that allows this to happen in the first place. >> given romney is out-spending the others 5-1 and still not getting the election battle at the moment, what makes you think the super pacs are that effective? >> that's true. money does not always win elections, mostly, it does, however. usually, it does. it makes a huge difference. obama beat mccain handily in the donation game in 2008 and that was a big reason why he was able to win, i think, also mccain was a horrible candidate and sarah palin and everything broke right for obama in 2008. the market crashed, all of that stuff. b but, you know, in 2008, the most you could give was $2300, i think. now, sheldon adele son talks about giving one candidate a $100 million. this game has changed completely. this is the reason i did this, to draw attention to something i don't think americans are aware of, this is a completely different world we're playing in now, a world of millionaires and billionaires. almost all the billionaires are on the side of the republicans. the common everyday millionaire has to step forward for the democrats. >> wouldn't a romantic part of you love it if president obama said i said super pacs are more rally wrong, i still believe they're more rally wrong, i'm not going to get involved in super pacs, i won't endorse any and don't want my supporters to endorse any. if they want to spend and spend and try to negatively blow me away, i'll take my chances. >> silly and naive. i don't believe in the designated hitter rule in baseball. if i'm the manager of the team and we're in the world series, am i not going to use the deg nated hitter? no. you will try to win the world series under the rules of the game as they are and after the series is over -- >> would every coach -- >> you will try to get rid of the designated hitter? >> would every coach do that? >> of course. they always have. >> what would we think of a coach who didn't do that? >> he was crazy is what we would think. he was a nut and an idiot for doing it and a loser on top of that because he would lose. >> let's take a break. i want to come back and talk to you about the theme of this show, keeping america great. it seems to be a little positive more than america's in the cart, we're all duped. let's try and be positive after the break, work out ways to keep america great other than pumping millions into obama's super pacs. americans are always ready to work hard for a better future. since ameriprise financial was founded back in 1894, they've been committed to putting clients first. helping generations through tough times. good times. never taking a bailout. there when you need them. helping millions of americans over the centuries. the strength of a global financial leader. the heart of a one-to-one relationship. together for your future. ♪ ♪ where the sun never goes out ♪ ♪ and the sky is deep and blue ♪ ♪ won't you take me american flight 280 to miami is now ready for boarding. ♪ there with you fly without putting your life on pause. be yourself. nonstop. american airlines. here's the good news for liberals. a new poll shows santorum and romney are beating each other up so bad that obama is now ahead of both of them. another tragic result of white on white crime. >> hbo's realtimer bill maher, bill maher is back with me now. what do you make of the -- you already said you found them ridiculous. what do you think of the chances against barack obama in an election. you were saying in the break, it could be a lot closer than people think. >> that's another reason why i did this. i was at party a few weeks ago, i guess it was grammy party and all the liberals were wanting to talk politics. these are celebrities so they're not the most you know informed people in the world generally. isn't it great obama has this election in the bag? i was like, he doesn't have this election in the bag. i would bet that -- not that i have a lot to bet with left, but i would bet on election night, the polls will show you a race that's too close to call. it's a very 50-50 country. what we were kicking around at our office today to work on our concluding essay for the show friday night is this idea of a bubble the liberals live in. i have talked a lot about the conservative bubble and they certainly do live in a bubble, an insane bubble where obama is this person that doesn't exist who slashes defense spending, who raises your taxes, who apologizes to other nations around the world, whose wife wants to out-law dessert, this insanity. but the liberals live in a little bubble, too, they look at rick santorum, as i do and perhaps you do, i would hope you do, and see an insane person and think, he could never be elected president but they don't live in america. they fly over it. it's true, when rick santorum says you can obama thinks -- i don't know what -- what did he say about obama that he wants to rule over you -- >> here's the problem. whatever you say about rick santorum, he, of all the candidates i've interviewed, at least has the benefit, i think, of being true to himself more than some of the others. he's quite authentic. i think he believes what he says most of the time. >> why else would you say that? that's the only reason i can think of. the father of lies talking about say tan. i haven't heard that one since i was in catechism. >> quite a good line. >> the father of lies. what year are we living in? i mean, and this controversy today about john f. kennedy, making him throw up. it's so funny the kennedy speech in 1960 was john f. kennedy basically saying, look, i'm not going to be taking my marching orders from the pope and now rick santorum in 2012 is sort of saying the reverse. how dare you say you won't be taking your orders from the pope? >> i don't think he read the speech properly because that's not what kennedy was saying. >> it doesn't matter. again, they live in their bubble. >> but he's doing it very deliberately and appealing to the conservative heartland in a way i think mitt romney is struggling to do. i thought the interesting thing today was an outrageous comment by rick santorum about the whole college thing obama came out with as though somehow encouraging americans to go to college was this appalling attack on working class people. >> trust me, i've been a comedian for 30 years, i could not even begun to imagine a political candidate coming out against college. >> no. >> if i went to write a sketch, i could not have come up with that. >> we have a miss marsh of a few other comments by the candidates. watch this. >> i like the fact that most of the cars i see are detroit made automobiles. i drive a mustang and chevy pickup truck. ann drives a couple of cadillacs, actually. >> president obama once said he wants everybody in america to go to college. what a snob. [ applause ] >> i mean, i actually like rick santorum. >> what a snob. >> i personally quite like rick santorum. he's been good to us and comes on the show unlike mitt romney and at least fronts out these debates. >> right. >> to call barack obama a snob, in that way, simply because he encourages americans to go to college at a time when more americans need to go to college. i mean, china and india and other countries are rapidly, in terms of education, overtaking america. >> let me tell you, the amount of material those two have given me, i should have written them a check for a million dollars. but, again, you're not thinking like a lot of the country thinks. that -- i know it sounds crazy to us, we're saying- >> you can't keep speaking for me here, i'm sorry. i need to interview these people. >> exactly. >> isn't that the central point, that it's not people like you they're concerned about. rick santorum may be watching this worrying about what bill maher says but the heartland of choosing their nominee, there is something about santorum that is energizing the mass of the republicans better than mitt romney. >> this is what i thought as i was watching the oscars last night as the french movie kept winning over and over. in an ll of middle america, thi is what happens, a jew and his french movie have taken over our motion picture show again, a movie most people in the heartlands will never see or never be interested in seeing but somehow that's the big winner, the french, you know about them -- >> i haven't heard newt gingrich exploding. he must be furious at this french silent movie has won everything. >> they're not completely wrong that hollywood is not always in touch with the regular people out there. you know, it's funny, somebody said to me the other day, have you ever known anybody who watches ncis? i said, no, i haven't. i cannot think of one person. i've never seen it and somehow it's number one in the ratings. who are these people watching ncis? they live in america, they just don't come in contact with me. >> that is true, isn't it? the other thing that struck me in the last week, i interviewed chris christie. he suddenly lost his rag about warren buffet, said if warn buffet wants to be taxed, just shut up and write a check. warren buffet replied today and watch this response. >> it's a touching response to a 1.2 trilli$1.2 trillion deficit sudden the american people will write checks and take care of it. >> there's warren buffet on cnbc saying it's a ridiculous argument. what do you say about the argument on both sides? >> like the designated hitter, how it's a hypocrite. it's a fake argument that will get people to follow it closely to agree but, of course, warren buffet is right, certain things cannot be voluntary, one of them is paying taxes. another one is fixing the environment. you said before you were going to ask about how we can improve america. some things only government can do. you know, thinking that we can fix our environmental problems by just voluntarily having people recycle, it's like saying we could have won world war ii by just having them voluntarily collect tin and stuff like that, as they did, but you also kind of needed the government to make tags and planes. that was sort of a big part of winning world war ii. >> how much should the government lead and how much strays into nanny state do you think? >> sometimes you do need a nanny state. that old thing about the constitution isn't a suicide pact. i mean, at what point does the environment get so bad that the government says, yes, we're going to have to infringe on your freedom a little. these people don't want any infringing on freedom. that, to me, is a suicide pact. i don't know what -- i don't know what it is with republicans that they think that they're not breathing the same air. >> if you were president, what are the three quick things that you would strive to do, to put america back on its feet, do you think? >> well, first, i would invest, you know, i would try to do what obama has been trying to do, which is get the economy moving by stimulating the economy a little more. it worked as well as it could with the limited amount they allowed him to do it the first time. the idea of pulling back and retrenching and saving now, we've learned that economists know that doesn't work. again, the economy -- the environment, i feel, is an issue that is just not going to get any better. every time i read a headline in the paper, it's something super scary, like worse than the worst predictions were four years ago for the polar icecaps melting, for example. i would try to link those issues, as obama has. you know, try to -- there's way to get the economy moving by these new green industries if they could stop the republicans from blocking it. >> i will take another break. another way to keep america great. more tim tebows. you met the great man last night at party. >> the great man. >> tim tebow. everything. but why energy? we've got over 100 years worth. is it safe to get it? but what, so we should go broke with imports? look, i'm just saying. well, energy creates jobs. 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>> no one -- piers, i love the way people who are pro-choice find the most grotesque possible moral dilemma to set up one side or her to. why don't i sometime give you the same choice in the other direction? the fact is no one and to the best of my knowledge no religion would advocate the death of that mother. what they would advocate is every possible step be taken to save both. if in the end that means only the mother's life can survive, that would then be the outcome. nobody would accept the principle of killing the mother. that's just -- the way that was posed -- >> that isn't actually true, though, actually, many republicans, i think, rick santorum would be one of them, would say that you cannot abort a baby from the moment of conception because the baby's life is as valid as anybody else's and he doesn't agree. i think your position with abortion is you don't agree with it under any circumstances including rape and incest. this is not something i made up, a lead letter in the "new york times," this was a real story and a real woman. >> all right. yes. and in that tragic circumstance, you would hope the doctor would find ways to potentially put her in bed rest, potentially put her on clot controlling medications, take a variety of steps to maximize the steps of her surviving. the same point i made the other night in the debate, piers. nobody stops and says, do you f barack obama voting to protect doctors who kill babies who survive abortion, which is called infanticide. you had a president of the united states who voted for infanticide. i don't hear anybody on television who's preparing to talk about that issue. so if you're going to take one extreme, you need to take the other extreme. now let's measure the pain involved. this is a very hard, very painful process, and part starts with when do you think life begins? if you think it begins at conception, then you have two lives in the balance and the first duty of the doctor is to try, if possible, to save both lives. >> where do you think life begins? >> i think it begins at conception. that's why i think the doctor has a moral obligation to try to save both lives. i just outlined for you a procedure. and since you raised the question, i had no knowledge of before the show, i'm going to take this exact story, i'll have my staff get the letter and i'm going to go talk to some folks who i trust in the catholic hierarchy and say what would their advice be in a catholic hospital in exactly this kind of setting? because it is an important moral dilemma and i think it's legitimate to talk it through. >> if you're the doctor in this case and you have to make a decision, and you're the woman and you're a christian and you are struggling with your religious beliefs and so on and you want to make the right decision, ethically, morally, religiously, if you like, the decision you think she should be taking collectively would be that the mother's life should be saved. the reason i'm pushing it is because if that is the case, then clearly there are exceptions to abortion -- >> no, but i didn't say that. >> -- after conception. >> what i said was every effort should be made to try to save both lives. and the first stage would be to go to bedrest and using anti-clotting medicine, and i can't tell you beyond that until i look at the case and talk to some doctors. you know, i'm -- i'm running for the presidency. rime not running for head of ob-gyn at a major hospital. so i can't give you an answer. you come down to a very narrow, very specialized case, and i'm going to go and ask some very smart people what do they do in this circumstance? but i think what they'll tell you they do is they urge bedrest and anti-clotting medicine and they do everything they can to save both lives. >> i would be fascinating to see if you do look into it more. it's an interesting debate. a lot of reason for a more discipline campaign is your wife. how do you plead to that charge? >> well, i guess i'll use the word guilty. maybe very happy is a better word. you know, calista is a very disciplined person. she's's a class call pianoist and plays french horn and sings at the basilica. all require discipline greater than mine. we kid that i'm a jazz musician and i go with the crowd and i do rifts and she wants to be much more structure pd .but i think she has brought a disciplined bowe to me and the cam feign that's been frankly very helpful. >> speaker gingrich, thank you very much indeed. >> good to be with you. coming up, only in america the good, the bad and the ugly of the oscars. the awards that probably shouldn't be given out. >> tonight, only in america, the oscars, more than 39 million people tuned in. tonight, i've come up with my own awards, the morgans. let's get right to it. the most dishonest speech from the oscars. every one of the 3,500 wins wh said wow, i wasn't expecting this. christopher plumber surely spoke for the whole room when he said when i emerged from my mother's womb, i was already practicing my academy award speech. angelina's leg now has its own twitter account, which has more than 19,000 followers. the worst foreign language accent, christian bale. >> five women nominated for actress in a supporting role could not look, sound or be more different from one another. >> trust me on this. there isn't a single inch in the british isles where you'll find another human being who speaks like he just did. the best impersonation, billy crystal doing martin scorsese doing nick nolte. that was the best of billy crystal. now the not so good. his joke from the opening. >> and then we're going to go kill hitler. >> that kind of impression may have worked back in the old snl days of 1970 perhaps, but today it just felt a little offensive. the best dress, sophia. and she wasn't even at the ceremony. she just went to a party. the greatest did it or didn't it internet debate since janet jackson at the super bowl. possession of an offensive 1980s hair style, brad pitt. raise your game, son. and finally, the second best impression of the night goes to colin firth who, according to twitter, played off the dramatic lead role brilliantly of me. and all the cynics moaning about t "the artist" winning best picture, the american dream was built on the premise of thinking the impossible and making it possible.

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