>> i feel more damaged now than i ever remember feeling as a child. >> this is "piers morgan tonight." now for the latest on the charges against conrad murray, let's go to ted rowlands in los angeles. >> reporter: here's another riveting day in the courtroom. prosecutors continued with their witnesses that were with michael jackson at the time he was dying, and specifically, the most compelling witnesses we heard from were the paramedics that responded to that 911 call. one paramedic said when he got there, jackson was cold and blueish, another -- actually, both of the paramedics testified they asked dr. murray point blank, what have you given michael jackson. and there was never any mention of propofol. >> did dr. murray ever mention to you having administered propofol to michael jackson? >> no, he did not. >> did conrad murray ever mention the word propofol to you during the time that you were at the location or in his presence? >> no, he did not. >> at the end of today, piers, we got a little bit of testimony from one of the emergency room doctors at ucla, we'll have more of that next week. and those doctors are going to basically tell the exact same story. that they asked dr. conrad murray, what did you give michael jackson? and again, no mention of propofol. over the week, we have heard the defense make some ground by bringing up dr. arnold klein. they didn't do that today, they did make some groundwork in that they were able to mess up a time line from one of the earlier witnesses, the paramedics basically refuted some of the details that one of the earlier witnesses had come up with. they'll be able to use that to their advantage down the road here. next week, we not only expect to hear from these doctors, we also expect to hear from the detectives who were assigned to this case from the beginning to this point. they've been in the courtroom all the way, so the jury's gotten to know them somewhat. they'll really get to know them next week. we'll also hear from two of dr. murray's girlfriends next week. piers? brooke shields was a childhood friend of michael jackson, and gave a poignant and emotional tribute to him at his funeral. i'm going to move on to why you're here a little later. but i can't not talk to you about this trial, which is engulfing everyone's thought process at the moment. shocking stuff coming out of this. very few people knew michael as well as you did. what would he make of all this? >> i haven't seen any of the trial. i refuse to watch it. for simple reasons, that i don't want to feel like getting engaged in conversations about it. all i knew was when he and i were friends as young people. and knowing the man that he was, the person, the genius that he was, the kid that he was. and he just -- he just always wanted to be the absolute best, best, best, most superior performer that ever lived. >> and to my mind, he was the best i ever saw. >> i don't think anybody came close, and i think so much was imitation. i think he was a one of for sure. >> i want to play a part of what you said at the funeral, it was incredibly moving. i remember watching this live and being moved by it. >> both of us needed to be adults very early. but when we were together, we were two little kids, having fun. >> the reason that resonated so deeply with people, everyone's known both of you, really were born into this. you never had any choice. you didn't bang on the door at age 20, the door marked fame. >> or 11 months. >> yeah, in your case you were a year old. tell me about that phenomenons you don't have a world of anonymity. which is one thing, you don't seek it, you're just born into this. >> in some ways, ironically, it's easier and healthier. because you don't have one form, like with anonymity and the peacefulness and the freedom in that, which is then completely usurped by this public life that's invading your life. so in a way i've seen it destroy young people who then all of a sudden come into it relatively quickly. then fame and money and all that that comes at them. growing up with it, it's less of a big deal. it's less of a phenomenon to you, in so far as you learn to navigate it early. i forced myself to be ingrained and an integral part of regular conventional childhood. >> notwithstanding that, do you still slightly damaged by the whole process of stardom for so long? >> i feel more damaged now than i ever remember feeling as a child. >> really, why? >> because i didn't -- because i was a kid, and i also had a lot of fun. and a lot of opportunity. and we made it a game. and then when i worked, i still had to go to school. so i only worked in the summers, i only worked after school. that piece was never broken up. and it never was -- it never did not take precedence. >> why do you feel damaged now? >> because in a way, i was so protected, and i was so naive, i was sort of -- i maintained a level of naivety for so long, now when i see things the way the world is, the way the industry, i'm so much more affected by it, because i can't believe -- i always say i hate people. i did not get hardened by it, and, therefore, i'm shocked when there's injustice done, and i'm shocked when someone hurts my feelings, and shocked when someone says something mean about -- there is -- in a sense, i don't know if you're allowed to call it that at 46. i see something now and i think, my god, had i seen any of this when i was younger? i'd be a statistic, i'd be destroyed. >> is this very similar, do you think, to the way michael jackson probably felt? >> i think -- we talked about it a little bit, i think that in any case, dealing with fame is an individual thing. your character gets challenged, your character gets revealed, your character, who you are, how you choose to live your day, and what you -- what you're ensconced in. i refused it to be bigger than i was, and inadvertently it still became very big. but it never -- i never said to myself, i'm going to have a healthy marriage, and i'm going to have my children, and i'm going to do this. these are things i set out, when i was a little child. >> how do you feel about your own children going into any sort of fame? >> i pray to god they don't want to, i can't be such a hypocrite, because here i am on stage and film and doing everything, and having a blast, and bringing them in on the experience, and they're seeing me perform and grow and make a living, and so i can't very well say do as a say, not as i do. however, i hope to give them enough of a field of view that allows them to see sort of all that it entails. and if they want to go to school, that's all i'm going to pay for is their schooling. they can do whatever they want and as a mom i will help them. >> i always wondered what it would be like on the on the school run when brooke shields has a child at the same school. a friend of mine's children go to score in london and gwyneth paltrow arrives -- >> it takes a team of people three hours to make me look like this to appear here. it's probably have i've made some really good friends at the school, the moms. i look wretched when i got, and they know i could look that way and they can see it on google or whatever. >> you were born two months before me. and i think most viewers will be deducing, i'm surprised you're in the same decade, morgan. so i wouldn't worry too much. we're going to take a break, when we come back, i'm going to talk to you about your latest passion, which is the broadway stage. welcome. kristin. kasey. come on in. kasey, kasey! kasey, what about the new edge drew you to it? the look of it. i love the sleek design. i like the rounded edges. what does the technology in your edge make you think of ford? it just makes me think that ford is in it to win it. ford is trying to get to the next level. you really have to make yourself stand out, and i think ford has done that. looking over there, how does your car look? is this my car? (laugh) (laugh) for medicare made clear, we're here to answer all of your questions. call unitedhealthcare medicare solutions. what are you doing? >> listening. >> to what? i don't hear anything. >> exactly. no phones, no traffic. no nothing. >> oh, i know, so annoying. >> "the greening of whitney brown." a pretty powerful performance. it's an interesting thing, because it kind of plays on american dmik hardship, she's very timely. what do you make of what's happening to your country in terms of so many people now out of work, suffering financial problems? >> it's devastating. i feel like there is so much that i do believe is available for us to do, to create jobs, to keep to -- to make that happen. and there's certain industries that can do it, and i'm ignorant as to why it doesn't seem more obvious to our leaders. maybe it does many. >> are you a fan of president obama? >> i am. i mean, i am -- i was much, very much a fan in the beginning. i was excited about all the promise and all the prospect. but it's interesting, i was listening to clinton speak the other day, and there was just something about the fact that he had -- he had a very clear view as to the steps that do need to be taken. maybe that's intrinsic to when you were actually in office, you start to have to speak in these grand terms and not point specific. the things he was saying were so bright. i felt like saying, you guys talk to each other and get together. >> does he -- has it ever bothered you that you are considered this beautiful model/actress, and not necessarily a brain? when in fact you've got a great brain. >> thank you. i use that as an advantage, sometimes it's a lot easier to think that you're ditsy. if they think you're stupid they let you in on information they think you probably wouldn't understand. and you go, i know, i don't get it. and you go the other door and make the deal you want to make. >> what are the people that -- part of the interview i did with him is coming after this interview is chris christie, who people want to enter the race. he's a very big guy. and there's this huge debate about whether america is ready to embrace a fat president. >> oh, my god. >> what's your view of that? should it matter? >> here's the thing. none of these things should matter. but it's interesting when you take polls and you watch how people respond. it's like, they're going to respond to something pretty. they're going to respond to something well put together. maybe they'll respond more to tan than blonde. psychologically, i think we've been taught in this country to respond to the visual. if that -- the tragedy is if that is in fact what deters him, whether he -- for him or not, i just think it's so pathetic that we -- >> i think it's ridiculous. he's one of the smarter guys i've interviewed. charismatic, intelligent. i don't care what size he is. >> there's also this other piece to it, i'm getting into dangerous territory. i don't really care what people do in their personal lives. i really don't. if what they do in their job, yes, you can argue that it's a -- it explains their character to you, if they're a lying, cheating person. however, there's something to be said for letting what they believe in their politics be what takes precedent rather than they're fat, skinny, divorced, this or that. i mean, i think we have to move past that, just in so far as, we're going to spend time whether he should go on jenny craig or not? well, i'm already bored. >> do you love being on stage? >> i love it. i love the growth that i get to experience. i love the immediate reaction from the audience. i'm sort of an addict for it, and i watch -- i have to be careful that i keep the art pure and not just do it because that one person in the second row doesn't look like they're enthralled and my day's ruined. there are 900 other people to be accountable to. i love performing. i love doing it, i love being surrounded by a great cast. i love finding new ways of manipulating the material. what's great about the addams family, it's iconic character and family, and then you couple that with me, who's just been around forever and little kids know me from hannah montana's mom, their grandparents know me from "blue lagoon" or whatever. there's this coming together of two entities, it makes sense, it's not offputting or why would that make sense? and it's -- they're amazing sets. we were going to close earlier because these months are incredibly hard. but we decided to stay open and stay through december. and then the show's going to close. i've extended until december 31st. >> i owe you an apology. you're not two months older than me. >> darn it! >> you're two months younger than me. >> i wanted to be the elder. >> i would have loved that too. >> it's been a pleasure. >> thank you. >> beer next. >> you want a beer? >> not now. >> you can come and have free beer in my pub in london, as much as you can drink. >> thank you. you'll have to card me because i'm two months younger than you. chris christie who says he's not running for president at the moment. i'll show you what makes him tick. 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horrible memories? >> incredibly warm and happy memories for me. i mean, my -- almost all that i am was developed in this place. it really was. >> but in the gym specifically. >> oh, yeah, listen, i played sports here, and it was a great place to grow up, and we had great athletes that i played with the years that i was here. it -- you know, i watched my own son now play high school baseball and i -- >> i heard you were a bit of a baseball star here. >> listen -- >> trophy cabinet littered with your triumphs. >> i think that's probably overstating it. we had a lot of great players. i played, which was a triumph. >> but you were good? >> i was pretty good, yeah. >> you were a hot athlete in your day? >> i was a good catcher. i was a good baseball catcher and a good leader on the team. >> talking about being leader on the team, i loved this quote i found from steven sweeney, the democratic president of the state senate here. who said about the difference between his style and yours, "the difference is that i have an off switch and chris doesn't. you know, if i knock you down, i'll pick you up, brush the dirt off your back, try and build the relationship, and go forward. chris knocks you down, like with the teachers, and he'll stomp on you, kick on you until he can kill you." >> very dramatic but not true. you know. very dramatic but not true. >> not true? >> no. listen, i'm tough when i have to be the same way steve is tough when he has to be. but in the end i'm about getting things done and you don't get things done by stomping people until they're dead. you get things done by standing for your principles. and letting people know that that's what you stand for. and then that can make appropriate compromise possible. but being squishy does not allow you to make appropriate compromise possible. >> see, to a brit like me even your accent seems intimidating. it's the kind of thing -- >> good. i'm glad about that. >> yeah. you're like a political sort of tony soprano. >> others have said that, piers. others have said that. but you know, just like james gandolfini would say if he were here, there's some of that that is for effect. and you have to. i mean, part of what we do -- >> do you like the fact you have this slightly intimidating reputation? >> i don't like or dislike it. it's just kind of what it is. it's who i am. and i think what people in new jersey have gotten to know about me over the last decade that i've been in public life is what you see is what you get. and i'm no different when i'm sitting with you than i am when i'm at home or anyplace else -- >> but right now i'm getting sort of -- this is a very civilized conversation we're having, you're very polite, you're very friendly. but i've seen some of these youtube videos of you in action in these town halls, and you're on the rampage. >> well, and you -- listen, and teachers go into it knowing what the pay scale is. that's right. >> well, what i am -- >> lacerating these people. taking no prisoners. >> i'm responding to -- >> in the words of mr. sweeney, taking them down, stomping on them, and killing them. >> i'm responding to their attempted laceration of me. and if you look at the youtube videos, what you're going to find is -- i see this at my town hall meetings all the time now. here's the last rule. if you want to disagree with me, that's great. and if you do it in a polite, respectable way you'll get a polite, respectable disagreement back. but if you decide you want to take me for a walk you'll get that response as well. >> you take no prisoners. you like a fight. america right now is in the fight of its life as a nation, particularly economically. do you think america needs somebody like you who's going to be tough? >> i think america needs lots of tough people. not just me. i think america needs to get tougher, all of us. we need to understand that it's time to step up and pay for what we want. and you know, we haven't been doing that for a long time, and both parties have been guilty of it. >> tell me about your upbringing here. new jersey man, born and bred. tell me about the early days. >> well, my parents moved here to this town from newark. when i was 5 years old so i could go to this school system because it's one of the best school systems in the state. and they borrowed money. $1,000 from each one of my grandmothers. to put a $2,000 down payment on a $22,000 house that my father was able to get with his va mortgage from having served in the army. they wanted to come here for their kids. >> your mother died very suddenly five, six years ago. and it was an awful end to her life. you had this poignant time with her before she died. two things struck me. she said -- you can go back to work, because there's nothing left unsaid between us. which i found very moving when i read that. also, she said to you, going forward, and i'm sure like all mothers she had great aspirations for her boy. she said never worry about being loved, focus on being respected. if you're respected, you can find love down the road. people will love you for it. >> yeah. and listen, i miss her every day. she was incredibly, incredibly strong. and the end of her life was really very difficult for all of us, and it came very suddenly. but the greatest gift she ever gave me was that last moment i had with her in the hospital when she said go to work, there's nothing left unsaid between us. you know, that's the way she taught us to be our whole lives. >> if you were being honest, what do you think your mother would say are your best qualities and your not so good qualities? >> best quality, brutally honest, tough and compa