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"out front" next, breaking news, mike pence releasing his tax returns. why won't donald trump do the same? more breaking news, north korea exploding its powerful nuclear warhead ever? can kim jong-un launch a nuclear attack on the united states? can what really happened behind the scenes? he's my guest. let's go "out front." ♪ ♪ >> good evening. i'm erin burnett, out front tonight, the breaking news p taxing news. mike pence releasing his income tax return. pence following a decades-old tradition for presidential and vice presidential candidates putting out that in 2015 he and his wife karen made a combined $113,026 and paid $8,956 and their effective rate was 8%. this raises the burden for donald trump to release his. 8%, maybe his rate is lower than that. he continues to refuse to release them. he said they're nobody else's business. sunlen serfaty is out front in pensacola, florida. donald trump is about to rally supporters gathering behind you, sunlen tonight. trump still not releasing his taxes, but what are we learning from mike pence's? >> erin, there are a few key takeaways from what we've seen so far and first and foremost we're not some big seven-figure salary from mike pence. these are relatively modest numbers that we're seeing especially when you think about the potential to be compared about his running mate at the top of the ticket and some interesting things jumped out at them and showing us some insight on how the pence family earns and in this case loses their money. in 2006, the pence family lost $670,000 when their family business went bankrupt. that was the keel brothers oil and oil distributor and mike pence's father worked there and the spokesman for pence saying that pence had a minority interest in the company, but beyond the specifics of his tax returns, as you noted, this most certainly keeps the issue front and center for donald trump that he has simply refused to release his own tax returns, and it has long been an issue on the campaign. donald trump has said that he will not release them until -- because he's under audit right now although we do know most recent a letter from his tax council revealed certain years in the years 2002 to 2008 are no longer under audit meaning,ier irn, he could potentially release the tax returns and this is just a big issue dogging the trump campaign and this is shining a spotlight once again on trump's refusal to do so. >> sunlen, thank you very much. crucial, 2002 to 2008 aren't under oddity and that a lot of crucial information could be in those years alone. also tonight, both candidates talking tough in the face of a new threat to u.s. national security and i'm talking about north korea's massive nuclear test. that's what it was. it was twice as powerful as the test just nine months ago. clinton today calling it an outrageous threat. >> we are not going to let anyone who is a treaty ally and partner of ours be threatened and we are not going to let north korea pursue a nuclear weapon with the ballistic missile capacity to deliver to the united states territory. that is absolutely a bottom line. >> trump, meanwhile, laying the blame for the test squarely on clinton. >> just today it was announced that north korea performed its fifth nuclear test. its fourth since hillary clinton became secretary of state. it's just one more massive failure from a failed secretary of state. >> jeff zeleny is out front with the clinton campaign. clinton met with national security experts today before making her comments about north korea. i know you were there, and she was talking about north korea. also saying the obama administration's plan isn't enough. criticism there. >> some criticism and trying to put distance between herself and what clearly hasn't always been successful by this administration and administrations before it, but she did say this requires a rethinking of the u.s. strategy. perhaps that sounds obvious just given the news of the last 24 hours and given the successful test of yet another nuclear weapon and she called for more direct conversations on this. in fact, she was asked if there could be direct conversations like the iran deal and she said she would be open to more of that, but she also talked directly about china. this is perhaps the most interesting thing in terms of how she was trying to differentiate herself from the obama administration. >> she said we do have more leverage with china than you may think. she didn't necessarily elaborate, but this is something that has to be made clear to china that they are deeply involved in this and have to step up with this, as well. the leverage to china was interesting. all of this is coming as this presidential campaign suddenly got very real today. this threat from north korea making crystal clear the threats that are facing either of these two running to be commander in chief. that's why she was holding the meeting of her national security advisers and this north korea threat just happened to happen after she scheduled that. clearly, she was trying to show that she was presidential here and she also owns the obama administration's record here. >> she certainly does and donald trump trying to point out that the four tests since she came into office, three of them after she left office. thank you, jeff zeleny. president obama promising significant consequences and very unclear what it might do, the unshakeable u.s. commitment taking necessary steps to defend our allies in the region. this was a major, major test of possibly new capabilities for new korea. will ripley is out front. >> reporter: north korea sending shock waves around the world, detonating a nuclear bomb the triumphant announcement is kim jong-un's fifth successful nuclear test and perhaps north korea's most powerful to date. seismologists detected a blast they say was slightly smaller than the bomb that fell on hiroshima triggering a 5.3 magnitude earthquake in the same area as four previous north korean nuclear tests in 2006, 2009, 2013 and in january. this latest test still unverified by the u.s. believed to be ten kill kilotons, twice powerful as the last. north korea detonated a nuclear warhead small enough to fit on a ballistic missile that could some day hit the u.s. the regime has successfully tested four missiles in the last two weeks. >> we are deeply concerned that continuing act of provocation by the regimes. >> u.n. secretary-general ban ki-moon joining a chorus of world leaders strongly condemning pyongyang's latest provocation. president obama called the nuclear test a grave threat. the japanese prime minister said it was absolutely unacceptable. the president of south korea called kim jong-un's regime fanatically reckless as the u.n. security council called an emergency meeting. >> clearly, they don't care what we think. they don't care about our admonitions. they don't care about joining the international community. >> reporter: believed to be in his early 30s, kim's profile and power inside north korea continues to rise. ♪ ♪ >> in may i went to this rare gathering of north korea's reshuffled party which unanimously approved kim's plan to aggressively expand north korea's arsenal. unprecedented sanctions, even those naming kim jong-un himself have failed to stop or even slow north korea's weapons development. >> so why would kim jong-un invest so heavily in these weapons programs given the sanctions and the likelihood of more, given the isolation and the suffering that his people endure as a result? the answer is clear. one, he wants to preserve his regime and by projecting power internationally and more importantly at home he gives an image that he is firmly in control of this growing nuclear arsenal. plus, north korea could sell these weapons, every time they perfect a weapon, they could sell it to a terrorist organization and he feels that this type of weapon will give him leverage, erin to force the united states and international commune toits recognize north korea as a nuclear power even though president obama strongly said today that absolutely won't happen. >> will ripley, thank you very much. out front now, the former chairman of the house intelligence committee mike rogers who is also advising trump's transition team on national security. clinton supporter julia kay em, former assistant secretary of homeland security and barbara starr, pentagon correspondent. barbara, this is pretty stunning that it was double the size of what they were able to test earlier this year. it is -- there's major concern here. >> tonight, really across the world,ier irn because the north koreans are saying and they are claiming that they tested a nuclear warhead. if that is true then that is a stunning development because it begins to put them much more firmly on the path. a missile, a warhead on the front of that missile and the possibility that they could put it all together and put it on a mobile launcher and it is very hard to keep track of in times of war and have a range to hold south korea, japan and even parts of the united states at risk. it's unprecedented. >> it is unprecedented and it truly is terrifying, mike, when you put this in context. when you heard about the size you heard will ripley talking about it as smaller than the hiroshima bomb. this is something that could kill what you're talking about depending on the metro area you hit millions of people. >> this is very, very concerning for a couple of things. they ramped up their testing and their first test was in 2006 and 2009 and 2012. multiple tests now in 2016 and there are three components you worry about on this, erin, the weaponization that barbara starr talked about, that's the hardest part and missiles, we've heard them fire missiles from a submarine. we've seen them test fire scud missiles in rapid fire to counter air defense systems like japan. all of this is reese leent and now they're saying they have the standardized, weaponized nuclear tip on these missiles. i'm a little skeptical that they've gotten that far on that, but i will tell you, they're playing a very dangerous game as they move forward with all of these tests. it's two-thirds of the bomb that we dropped in hiroshima. that is big and it is dangerous. >> you say they could hit elsewhere in asia, but also the united states. this has been their goal. this is something some in the u.s. military are deeply, deeply afraid of when you look at the fact they can strike the pacific northwest, hawaii, alaska, down in california is the goal. do we even know where they are? >> if you look at the map that's a stunning part of the globe that they could hold at risk with their nuclear weapons. i agree with mike. it remains to be seen how much of this arsenal right now really could work, but if they are on the path and they are having a successful test program they will get there eventually and sooner rather than later, maybe, and that's why you saw president obama today remind the world that he will not -- he says he won't allow them to become a nuclear state and a nuclear power and he talked about the full u.s. capability to protect our allies in the region and what he's talking about is reminding kim jong-un, the u.s., too, has nuclear weapons. >> using them is something we never consider doing. donald trump comes today and says look, this is the fourth test north korea has performed since hillary clinton was secretary of state. granted, three of those tests were after she became secretary of state. her leadership or lack thereof is part of what caused this. why should we put someone in the white house who was unable to stop what could be an exi existential threat. >> let's just get the calendar straight right now. i also think it's worth noting, right, that there's only one solution to this problem and it's called china. that is it, unless you're going to commit us to -- >> using nuclear weapons. >> the solution is china because the only reason yet north korean regime actually can survive because everyone's starving. it has no economy is because of the influence and investments by the chinese. so why do we have this concerted effort of outrage? it's not because people are only talking and it is to convince the chinese that there will be penalties to china and particularly in iesh asia if t don't start changing the regime or stopping the regime. >> this isn't if only i had been president everything would be fine. this is a problem that china has had and there's only one solution. >> all right. mike rogers, this is something donald trump does say. he'll take on china, easier said than done, president obama would have done that if it were that easy. it's not that easy. >> here is the challenge for the next president and there are steps they're going to have to take. this administration is serious. i don't believe the president actually meant he was using nuclear weapons. i think he meant that we have kinetic strike capability that would exceed the north koreans' ability to stop it. i think, mike rogers thinks that's what he was trying to say and that's the right thing to say to the north koreans and that is a bit of a deterrent. we will also have to bring joint exercises closer to the korean peninsula with japan and other allies in the region that risk -- that are at risk including south korea, that are at risk from these nuclearis in ils and the other part of this, by the way, on china. it's not just china. we can get to the public on top of the table trading issues and those are easier to get to. what china will and has not done is stopped the black market trading on the north border. that's how they're surviving. the black market economy is huge. china doesn't want to touch it because they're in economic tough times, as well. we'll have to get at that. >> thanks to all. next, larry king on what happened behind the scenes in his now very controversial interview with donald 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but i think that it's -- it's pretty unlikely, but you know, who knows? i hope if they are doing something i hope that somebody's going to be able to find out so they can end it because that would not be appropriate at all. >> the trump campaign claims it had no idea that that interview was airing on a russian network. >> a former cnn superstar larry king has a podcast and mr. trump went on his podcast. nobody said it was going to be on russian tv. >> joining me now by phone larry king, host of larry king now and politicking with larry king. larry, let me start by asking you the very basic question. how did this interview come about? >> hello. let me give you a little history, erin. i find this amusing and a mountain out of a mole hill. i've known donald trump for almost 40 years. i've interviewed him probably 100 times. the last time before this time, he did a podcast. my wife and i do a podcast once a week, and he guested on that about six months ago. in the interim, i've talked to him on occasion, and i said you've got to be my tv show and he said i'm working on it and finally it was out of my hands and my producers worked with donald trump's people whoever they are and they finally settled on, okay, he can do it whenever that was, wednesday morning, early in the morning. our deal. i do "larry king now" three days a week "politicking" two days a week and we are distributed by various people, our own aura.tv, hulu distributes us, r.t. -- they pay -- i don't even know what they pay. they pay the company to carry our show. we are carried by cable companies all over the world. we just signed a deal with china. i just broadcast like you do. i go in and i broadcast. i don't know what trump knew. he couldn't have known it was a podcast because he just did my podcast. so -- by the way, on r.t. -- on most of our politicking shows, i would say 50% of the time russia is criticized. putin is annihilated and they have never edited it so what's the deal? >> your show airs on various distribution channels among them, aura tv, hulu, rt. brian stelter does report rt is the main distributor. if that is the case, let me ask you the question point-blank have they exerted editorial control over you, asked you to make edits in any way? >> never in my life. >> erin, i've been on the air 60 years. 26 of them at your network. i have never been told what to ask or not to ask. i have never been sued. i have never had -- i have never had that in my whole career and the proof would be if you got every tape i've done the last three years on politicking, putin is criticized almost once a week, and they have never -- and if they would edit it i would demand that we stop having them license us. >> so have you had a chance to speak to donald trump since this interview or your producers to speak to his campaign? >> no, i have not. no one's called me. i mean, i'm friends with donald. hooim friends with hillary. i know a lot of people for a lot of years. i never say who i'm going to vote for. i'm always fair. we were doing an interview and it was supposed to be for ten minutes and right at the end of ten minutes i stopped. i never got to say good-bye. i don't know why i stopped so abruptly. if donald said he thought it was a podcast that stretches it a little because he just did my podcast. i did not make the arrangements for him to be on the show. my producers talked to his people, and they made the arrangements. so i never know what was said to him except he was doing my tv show. >> now, is there any chance that they wouldn't have known that this was airing on r.t.? >> i have no idea. >> i have no idea. >> so i want to play, larry, that moment because he hung up abruptly after ten minutes. it was very strange and here is the end of the moment interview. you actually asking donald trump about immigration, and here's how that played out. >> on this immigration issue, what are your feelings about mexican immigrants? what are your -- what do you feel about this? >> donald, are you there? i don't know what happened there. we did not lose the connection so something happened. >> larry, what do you think happened? was he uncomfortable with talking about immigration? exmexican immigrants? what happened? >> the strange part is the producers called my -- this is my producers telling me this, i did not speak to them and apologized. they said that a girl came in and for some reason told donald he had something else to do and he had to leave. it just was strange and not only did they apologize, but they were planning to reschedule another appearance next week. >> at this point it's unclear, right? 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>> do you think your birther position has hurt you among african-americans? >> i don't know. i have no idea. i don't even talk about it anymore. >> but just last year -- >> do you accept that president obama was born in the united states? >> i really don't know. >> the reality show man built a political name for himself in the run-up to the 2012 race by questioning president obama's citizenship. >> why doesn't he show his birth certificate? you know what? i wish he would because it's a terrible pell that's hanging over him that was march 2012 for weeks trump railed on this single issue. >> there's no birth certificate. thery is a certificate of live birth which is a totally different thing. >> barack obama should give his birth certificate. in june 2008 obama released a short-form birth certificate, chief among them donald trump in april 2011 he released his long form birth certificate. >> today i'm very proud of myself. >> trump claimed victory, sort of. >> i want to look at it, but i hope it's true. >> a year and a half later in october 2012 an emboldened trump insisted on even more documents, passport and college applications to bolster a birth certificate he still questions. >> if he releases these records it will end the question, and indeed, the anger of many americans. >> donald trump is here tonight. >> trump's single-minded focus on the president's birthplace became a joke to the president himself. >> no one is prouder to put this birth certificate matter to rest than the donald. and that's because he can finally get back to focusing on the issues that matter like did we fake the moon landing? >> trump, not laughing today. also not saying whether he thinks his birther obsession was a mistake or whether he now believes barack hussein obama was born in hawaii? >> the only thing that mr. trump will say today is that he won't talk about that issue anymore, but even his most prominent african-american supporter ben carson says it's probably a good idea that mr. trump apologize for his stance on the birther issue, something that mr. trump seems not likely to do. erin? >> miguel, thank you very much. out front now, presidential campaign correspondent for the new york times maggie haberman and boris epistein, basil smikle and washington post political reporter philip bump. let me start with you. trump believes that president obama was born in the united states. mike pence says obama was born in the united states. why can't donald trump say it directly? president obama was born in the united states? >> let's go to the facts here. this whole issue is born out of hillary clinton's 2008 campaign. it was a failing campaign and she tried to ask the questions and could aren't get an answer. donald trump succeeded in getting an answer and that barack obama was born in the united states. donald trump has moved on. the campaign has moved on and let's move on to the issues that matter, immigration and national security and whatever you want to talk about. >> that's fascinating. >> hillary clinton did not try to get answers about that. donald trump has never said publicly that he disavows what he has said and he is the person who brought it very prominently into the public light in 2011 and he skyrocketed it to the polls and it was something that movement conservatives wished they would stop talking about it at the time because they considered it a fringe movement that was basically debunked over and over again. donald trump will likely get asked about this at at least one of the debates and i suspect that one of this is either has advisers trying to talk to him over tv or in person or what have you to get him to focus this, but this issue is not going to go away. >> from someone who has talked to him on a lot of issue, this is not an issue that is in the top ten of this campaign. >> this is an issue -- hold on. if people at this table have questions about barack obama's birth, you can talk about it. our campaign, donald trump do not. >> donald trump, but why donald trump has not directly said it, philip, is the point. >> in january, wolf blitzer when ted cruz wasn't born a candidate. he said who knows? he doesn't want to focus it. right now the donald trump is extensively reaching out to african-american voters and they're doing this outreach and it is clear this is an issue and that's why -- and that is why the trump campaign, if donald trump were serious about reaching out to african-american voters this is a fairly easy thing to do and he is not. >> basibasil? >> your outreach to african-americans did not include an apology for the birther question -- >> let me talk. it's an abject failure of this and indeed his campaign because this comment that he's not born here is a proxy for delegitim e delegitimizing this man. the fact that he had to do a press con -- the fact that a president had to do a press conference to produce his birth certificate. what does that say? >> she did not. >>. [ indiscernible ] >> and the fact of the matter is to this day most republicans and probably 20% of this country believes that he is foreign born. in many polls -- in many polls -- at least 50% --? 50 to 54 republicans. >> here's part of the issue boris. the issue is now he doesn't want to talk about it, but since president obama released the long form birth certificate which they said they did because of donald trump. they have admitted that that's why they did it. since he released that here's what donald trump has said. >> who is satisfied? all you have to do is pick up the newspapers and there are many, many people, tremendous numbers of people that are not satisfied. there's tremendous skepticism as to what he pressented. >> some people say that was not his birth certificate. i don't know. nobody knows. >> john mccain failed and couldn't get it and trump comes along and said birth certificate. now all to do is find out whether or not it was real. >>. >> don't you need to say you're sorry? >> no. there's no -- >> that's absurd, boris. >> this is an issue that's been put to bed and it was resolved and barack obama was born in the united states and donald trump has moved on and he said so last week. hold on -- he said last week i'm not talking about this anymore. we're moving on. >> and as far as not moving on -- >> now let me finish. >> we're at 8%. mitt romney received 6%. mccain received 2% and we're doing well because the voters out there don't care about this. they care about the economy and national security. >> have you gone to the african-american community and asked them if they care about this because that's real outreach. >> maggie? >> the point i was trying to make before is the point that philip made is black voters do care about this and polls do show this. when he's reaching out to black voters to engage them and to try to change opinions of him among other voters there is a very easy way to put this to rest as hillary clinton said by answering e-mail questions, she -- give me a second, okay? 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talk to your rheumatologist. this is humira at work. tonight, new photos released that show bill clinton palling around with the trumps. the clinton presidential library putting them out, not by choice, after a freedom of information request from the media. here's a picture showing bill clinton with his arm wrapped around melania who, of course, is now married to donald trump, at the time was his girlfriend. trump's arm wrapped around "sports illustrated" swimsuit model and trump laughing having a great time together. >> brianna keilar, trump and clinton have tried to downplay their ties over the years saying, no, no, no, no. clinton said i happened to be in florida so i went to trump's wedding. these photos show something that seems to be very different. >> it's hard to know because obviously, if you've been around bill clinton he is someone who engages with a lot of people in a very familiar way. he leaves people and is very outgoing, but you see in these photos that they're laughing. there are big smiles. they're kind of palling around. the clinton library, actually put these photos out, 22 of them because there was a freedom of information act request from politico and these were put out. so in them you see clinton here and they were the final months of his presidency with trump and it's actually official white house photographs. this photo you're looking at now, this is when bill clinton went to a fund-raiser and donald trump and they're wearing the suits there and the more casual dress was because it was taken in a box during the u.s. open. as i mentioned this was a foyer request and these were newly public and they are also according to the national archives which runs the clinton library, erin, 59 photos that they found of hillary clinton in 1994 at a fund-raiser that donald trump attended. they are not going to release those. they say those are personal which protects them from release, but it is unclear how many of these may be pictures of donald trump and hillary clinton together, but those would be some really interesting photos to see. >> they certainly would. thank you, brianna. and out front now the communications director for the rnc sean spicer. you see these photos and donald trump laughing it up with bill clinton and posing for photos, very friendly. trump has run on being an outsider and constantly slamming the clintons for these kecks and doesn't this prove he's friends with them and make his criticism ring hollow? >> no. it means that he's a businessman and he's made very clear his connections to not just the clinton, but politicians in the past and he's a successful businessman that played in the political world, but as a dennor and a successful businessman than a politician. this is something that he's talked about in the past his association with prominent politicians and he's a former president and a successful businessman that connected. it's nothing that unusual. >> he's facing criticism for giving an interview to larry king and it aired on russian television and he said positive things there about russia. the trump campaign said it didn't know that that interview would air on russian television because they thought it was for a podcast, but i just talked to larry king and he told me this, quote, if donald said he thought it was a podcast that stretches it a little bit because he just did my podcast. at the least, doesn't this show the trump campaign isn't organized to know where interviews will be airing which is a basic thing that they need to know? >> well, unfortunately, the difference is that larry king and donald trump go back farther. in a lot of cases people who have known mr. trump for a long time including members of the media will call and we'll go through a different channel, if you will. again, i've done larry king's podcast and his show to be honest with you and several people have done it and part of it is because larry king has a lot of great connections and knows a lot of people and he's a legacy-type journalist so people do it because he's got multiple platforms and sometimes people just don't ask. frankly, when i did it the first time i didn't even know where he was. people called and said larry king wants to put you on his show, and i just did it. >> the chairman of the rnc, reince priebus, of course, your boss, tweeted on the national security forum this week. hillary clinton was angry and defensive the entire time. no smile and uncomfortable caught that she was wrongly sending our secrets. a lot have said it was sexist and at the least it does not seem this was a tweet that would have been said about a man. what is the relevance during a national security forum one would think it was a negative that one would be smiling a lot. does he wish he hadn't sent that tweet? >> she having to defend the improper use of classified information and the improper setup of the illegal secret server and she looks uncomfortable. frankly, let's be honest. maggie haberman from the new york times said she looked irritated and angry. david axelrod on your air said she looked irritated. the clinton campaign is pivoting and trying to be positive and tapped matt lauer as the moderator. she did look angry, irritated and upset and she had a bad night. >> irritated and angry, but why no smile? irritated and angry, why say smile relevant? >> look, i think you're interacting with folks and part of it is to show that you're comfortable part of media training 101 and it was a town hall forum and you're being asked by voters and interacting with them and the clintons realize they had a bad night and what did they do? they went and blamed people because they went out and recognized the obvious and second they went out and blamed matt lauer for saying he was over the top. it was other veterans that asked those questions, too. are they mad at them? at some point they have to take responsibility for their own actions. hillary clinton has a history of making everything about somebody else's problem. it's always someone else's mistake that caused her to do something. it's the policies of this. it's someone's bad advice. it's colin powell's bad, you know, advice. it's never her fault for not obeying the rules that everyone has to obey. >> sean spicer, thank you very much. >> thank you. have a great weekend. >> next, a man called the world's youngest self-made billionaire donating $20 million of his own dollars to stop donald trump and help hillary. who is he? next. it's not something you do now and then. or when it's convenient. it's using state-of-the-art simulators to better prepare for any situation. it's giving offshore teams onshore support. d s riano etoe r at bp, safety is never being satisfied. and always working to be better. at bp, safety is never being satisfied. soon, she'll be binge-studying.. get back to great. this week 50% off all backpacks. office depot officemax. gear up for school. gear up for great. >>psst. hey... where you going? 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