what's going to prevail in the long run. >> cnn's polo sandoval joins us now from west chester, pennsylvania. the entire country watching this manhunt. what are you learning today? >> reporter: paula, when we heard from pennsylvania state police fire house turned command center. when you really look at the state of this investigation right now and how much ground that investigators now have to cover, that could be an understatement, especially if you retrace the steps of 34-year-old danelo cavalcante. investigators believe sometime last night, he managed to escape that perimeter that authorities had been searching and made his way onto a dairy farm, which is where he, according to investigators, managed to steal a dairy van. the keys were left in it, according to authorities. he then went on a drive, about 22, 23 miles north of that dairy farm, eventually making his way to the house of a former colleague of his, that house near phoenixville, pennsylvania. that's where that ring camera video is from. when you look at that video, he looks in fairly good spirits, especially when you consider this is somebody that has been on the run for well over a week and a half. eventually, though, throughout the night, he resumes his drive, in this case heading west. and that is where authorities say he literally ran out of gas. so, that's where the big search is concentrated right now. i want you to hear from lieutenant colonel george bivens, as he addressed criticism and many questions right now about how this man was able to split past hundreds of law enforcement personnel. >> so, you do the best you can with any given circumstance. it's no different when it's a wooded search. it's no different when there are challenges with every one of them. so, we do the very best that we can. our people did a great job. and i applaud them. i wish that he had not been able to slip through there. but that does happen sometimes. and that's why we don't simply rest on our laurels and say, okay, we're going to take one approach. >> reporter: we know that the sister of cavalcante is currently in the custody of immigration and customs enforcement officers. they couldn't say exactly why. we can tell you that authorities are trying to cut off any potential support, reaching out to any associates of his. and lastly, one of the biggest concerns for investigators is with every day, cavalcante grows more desperate. a huge worry for authorities tonight, as we begin day 12, tomorrow, of this search, is that we could see a potential carjacking in play. back to you. >> it's a great p point. not just a concern for authorities but also for the residents of chester county and the surrounding counties in pennsylvania. polo, thank you so much for that report. joining me now is cnn senior law enforcement analyst, andrew mccape, former deputy director of the fbi, and charles ramsey, a former washington, d.c. police chief and the former police commissioner for philadelphia. all right. chief ramsey, cavalcante has been on the run for 11 days. he was spotted 20 miles outside the area that they were focused on searching. are you surprised by these developments? >> well, it's certainly a setback for the effort to try to arrest him. i mean, they had him contained in an area. he was able to slip through. he was able to get access to a truck so, he had transportation. and he was able to shave and he was able to change clothes. so, it is a setback. there's no question about that. but these things are difficult. i mean, it's not television, where everything, kind of, you know, turns out okay at the end. they're still on it. they're still after him. but he needs money. he needs transportation. he needs food. the longer he's out there, the more desperate he becomes. and of course i heard a reporter mention the possibility of carjacking or whatever. but he does need transportation. he's going to have to find a way to get out of this immediate area. and he's a desperate man. >> and andrew, on that issue of desperation, police say the suspect is looking for support. it appears that he's reached out to some associates. they don't appear to be responding. so, does that desperation make him more dangerous? >> well, certainly it does, paula. now that he's, kind of, out of the woods in chester county and moving, you know, in places pretty far from there, it's really no telling where he's going to turn up next. we know that last night he showed up at actually two former associates' residents, the first one where he was caught on the doorbell camera. and then a second location, where he knocked on the door in phoenixville, and the person who was inside the residence called a friend who came over and reported it to the police. so, he is looking for the things he needs. as the chief said, he needs money. he needs access to transportation. he could probably use a communications device of some sort, at least to be able to track the news media coverage of his manhunt and possibly reach out to other associates. he managed to go about, you know, other 13 or so miles west before he ran out of gas in that van. so, you can expect that having made some progress with a stolen vehicle, he will probably try to get his hands on another one. when he decides -- when he gets desperate enough to interact with a person who has a car to try to take that from them, either at knife point or out of threat or something like that, that's when things could get really dangerous. >> and ramsey, this afternoon, the state police confirmed its officers are authorized to use deadly force if they encounter cavalcante and he doesn't surrender immediately. do you think that this will have a peaceful end? >> well, first of all, you have to be very careful how you communicate that sort of thing if you're a police chief. obviously this is a dangerous individual. but quite frankly, we arrest very dangerous people all the time and don't always have to resort to lethal force. that is always an option. if the circumstances presents itself where that is necessary in order to, you know, end the situation. but only if it's absolutely necessary. you're under threat of death, of great bodily harm, or another person is. so, you just have to be a little careful about that. police are well trained. they know the circumstances under which you can use lethal force. so, i would just be a little careful if i were running this thing about how i communicated that to the officers. >> and, andrew, clearly he's gotten his hand on new clothes. he appears to be eating. he also stole a car. how big a concern is that that he's going to be able to get his hands on weapons? >> well, you know, it could happen very easily, paula. we know that he's gone into residences in search for the basic support that he needs in terms of clothes and food and things like that. it's not a big leap, if you've broken your way into someone's house and you're in their kitchen looking for food, it's not hard to find a carving knife or a pair of scissors. he could very easily arm himself pretty quickly. and we know that he has killed two people in the past with a bladed -- with an edge weapon. so, you know, it's -- he doesn't have to get his hands on an ar-15 to become lethally dangerous to the people he interacts with. >> chief charles ramsey and andrew mccabe, thank you. and a stunning toll. more than 2,100 people are dead after an earthquake in morocco. rescuers are now scrambling to find people who may still be alive under the rubble, as survivors sleep outside. what kind of help is most needed there now? 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>> -- with every person i've met with. >> joining us now to discuss is democratic congresswoman zoe lofgren of california. thank you so much for being with us. we know you serve as the co-chair of the congressional vietnam caucus. you and other lawmakers recently sent a letter to the president, urging him to address vietnam's human rights abuses. what do you make of that answer he just gave? >> well, it sounds like he has raised that issue, and i'm pleased that one of the prisms of conscience that i adopted, as we all do, has been released when -- has been released. but reprovided president biden with a long list of prisoners of conscience who we hope that we can get released. the human rights record of the communists in vietnam is terrible and getting worse. so, we -- i'm pleased that he said he's raised these issues. let's hope we get some progress on it. >> i want to turn now to georgia. earlier this week, the special grand jury's report and its recommendations -- they were unredacted. and one of the biggest surprises were the fact that the special grand jury recommended charges against senator lindsey graham and two former senators. was it surprising to you that the district attorney did not pursue charges against any of those current or former lawmakers? >> well, obviously i didn't know about that until you did. but it shows that the district attorney was very careful in her decision making on who to prosecute. obviously the grand jury felt that these two former senators and current senator had violated the law. and certainly mr. graham tried to assert that his activities were within his duties as a senator. that was rejected by the courts. he was not acting in the course of his duty as a senator. that's why he didn't get the protection of the speaker debate clause. so, i just assume that it has to do with the weight of the evidence that was available to the district attorney. and i'm glad that she used the discretion that she did in deciding who to indict and who to leave behind. >> and former white house official peter navarro -- he was a senior trump official -- he was convicted this week for defying a subpoena issued by your committee. what was your reaction to that? he's now, of course, the second trump adviser -- the first, steve bannon -- to be convicted for this exact crime, contempt of congress. >> well, it was the right decision, and i felt a sense of relief that finally he's been called to account. the committee had questions for him as well as mr. bannon. there are things that they knew about this. i mean, certainly mr. navarro was very much up to his neck in the spinning of the lies about the election. and of course he and mr. bannon were working together. i'm sure you remember that bannon, the day before january 6th, had this presentation that this is going to be very different than you think. you know, what connection did he have with the white house? was it through navarro? was it through meadows, who also refused to talk to us? there are things the committee could not get, although i think in the end we were able to present a clear picture of the conspiracy that the ex-president led to overturn the election. >> do you think these convictions send a message to people who don't want to cooperate with congressional investigations? >> well, i think they should. i mean, first, a committee has to be within their jurisdiction. and our committee was. and as a matter of fact, we were sued over that. it was litigated. and the courts decided that these subpoenas were pursuing things that were properly within the jurisdiction of the committee. at that point, there's really no excuse. this is night suggestion. it's a requirement. and mr. navarro could have come in if he felt that he was in criminal jeopardy. he could have pled the fifth, as others did. but he has been saying, no, he did nothing wrong. he went on various media tours talking about what he knew. but he defied the subpoena. and you can't do that. and i think others that are thinking about that should think again because he will, i'm sure, spend some time in custody. and he should. >> congresswoman zoe lofgren, thank you. >> thank you. on friday, rudy giuliani filed a new legal challenge to his georgia indictment. former trump attorney claims there are deficiencies in the indictment and has asked for it to be quashed, or to set a hearing on the matter. so, joining us now to discuss, one of his attorneys, david wolf. you are one of the authors of "the giuliani filing." i want to start with a different story from friday, which is this idea of moving cases to federal court. giuliani has previously said on his podcast that he would like to try to move his case to federal court late friday. we learned that a judge had rejected mark meadows' attempts to move his case to federal court. he's going to appeal. but given the meadows decision, do you intend to try to remove your client's case to federal court? >> there's no deadline for a removal. and i'm interested in the detail in judge jones' opinion. of course there will be an appeal of that opinion. but at this point, no, i don't plan on doing that. i'm in the process of waiting on the discovery and trying to establish whether or not allegations in the indictment were properly brought. >> and so you're an expert in motions. and on friday, you filed this motion on behalf of giuliani challenging the indictment in laymen's terms. what are you arguing about this case? >> well, if you've read the indictment -- and, you know, it's 98 pages. and some people think you read that in 30 or 40 minutes. it took me three or four days to really read it, understand it, and see what's alleged. and there is no specificity in the indictment. there's no nexus between a lot of the acts, predicate acts, overt acts, and racketeering activity that necessarily connect the individual defendants to what they say was criminal. >> and going forth, we know at least two defendants are scheduled to go to trial on october 23rd. would you be ready to take your client to trial on october 23rd? because we know it's an outstanding issue as to whether this trial is going to be divided into subgroups. >> well, the two people that are scheduled to go to trial have demanded statutory speedy trials, and they've been granted that right. their cases are set for trial. none of the other people are set for trial that day. there was a scheduling order done for the two people who did move to sever and have the speedy trial. we don't have a scheduling order yet. we're anticipating that at the end of the next week. and certainly we can't begin to prepare for trial until we've received the discovery. on the indictment itself, there were only two witnesses listed, and they were investigators for the district attorney's office, while at a hearing they said there were going to be 150 witnesses. so, no, i couldn't be ready. and i wouldn't try to put mayor giuliani in jeopardy without being prepared to move forward. >> one of the interesting things from that unredacted special grand jury report that came out last week were the names of three trump advisers, cleta mitchell, boris epstein, and mike flynn, who the special grand jury recommend be charged, but she did not charge them. are you concerned any of them may have cooperated in any way against your client? >> well, if that's the case, then we'll find out about that. but, you know, the fact that a grand jury has indicted these people, there's nothing grand about a grand jury. the only people that presented evidence in the grand jury were ms. willis' group, and they presented it the way they wanted to present it, through hearsay. and there was nobody there to cross-examination or challenge the allegations that were made. it's just more people. and those people don't understand the sophisticated specifics that need to be pled in order to properly indict somebody. you can indict a ham sandwich if the whole speech is for killing the big. and at the end of the day that they've been indicted means nothing as to the strength of the state's case. >> i want to ask you about a dinner that the former president hosted for your client on thursday in an effort to help him pay down $5 million in legal bills. in addition to being at this dinner, they also had had a lunch. they were at a rally. our sources tell us the two men are quite close. but your client is barred from discussing this case with other defendants, which would include former president trump. so, how do you ensure that your client is not discussing this case with his long-time friend, former president trump? >> well, he said that he wouldn't. the court directed that he shouldn't. and the direction is that you shouldn't talk to codefendants about the case. i wasn't invited to the dinner. and, you know, who went, what they did, and where the money goes, that's up to them. i am defending mayor giuliani, and i'm challenging the indictment that is poorly drafted and that is not going to be able to sustain the demurs and challenges that we've made to it. >> and lastly, we know that giuliani has had difficulty finding lawyers because of his legal debt. how did you come to represent the former mayor? did he reach out to you? >> well, of course they reached out to me. and there were recommendations made by other lawyers here in georgia who know the nature of my work. you know, i've been doing this 42 years. i think at tus finch was a senior when i was a freshman in law school, so i've been around the block. >> that's a good line. are you getting paid for your work? >> well, of course i'm getting paid for my work. you know, i'm flying this aircraft, and when i'm riding as a passenger on the aircraft, i've never had the pilot come back and say, who paid for your tickets? i'm doing my work, i've been paid to do my work, and it's going to cause some problems for the state to respond to it. >> i love your analogies. you brought up flying. last follow-up question. your client owes $5 million in legal fees. i've spoken with multiple lawyers who are owed upwards of millions of dollars. your client flew in a private jet down to his arraignment. do you know who paid for that transportation? >> i just told him he had to be here. that he got here was all that i was concerned about, private or commercial. you know, i wish the folks in the media would focus on this indictment because it's not properly drafted. and there are going to be some problems timing-wise when the case is attempted to be presented. we look forward to litigating. and how people get here, i don't know. i really don't care just as long as they show up on time. >> david wolfe, thank you. i'll be right back. >> i'll take him -- >> we'll be right back. soso caramel swirl is always there for the taking. 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(farmers mnemonic) we're following breaking news. one of the highest paid coaches in college football is off the job for now. michigan state head coach mel tucker has been suspended for the program without pay amid an ongoing investigation that started back in december. this follows an explosive report from usa today that was published last night. according to that report, a woman, who is a rape survivor and victims' advocate, is accusing tucker of sexual misconduct. cnn has not independently verified these allegations. university officials say a formal hearing will take place next month. joining us now, cnn world sports anchor, don riddell, and cnn sports analyst, christine brennan. she is also a "usa today" columnist. all right, don, what more do we faux had? >> paula, this investigation began back in december, and it comes on the heels of a report published in the "usa today." according to the report, tucker is alleged to have engaged in sexual misconduct while on a phone call with brenda tracey. she was raped in 1998 and has since begun an advocacy group to help other victims. cnn has not independently verified the details of the report. tracey served as a michigan state honorary captain for a michigan football team. tucker told title ix investigators, quote, ms. tracey's distortion of our intimate relationship into allegations of sexual exploitation has really affected me. he went on, i'm not proud of my judgment, and i'm having difficulty forgiving myself for getting into this situation. but i did not engage in misconduct by any definition. michigan state's interim president says an investigative report was submitted in july and a formal hearing will take place october 5th. secondary coach harlan barnett will take tucker's place on a temporary basis. we've reached out to tucker's agent following the announcement of his suspension. but we have also not heard back. >> wow. kristine, what is your reaction to how michigan state is handling this incredibly sensitive situation? >> paula, as you know, and don, of course, has just detailed what we know so far. as we all know, michigan state was the epicenter of what is the worst sexual assault scandal in olympic history and also one of the worst, if not the worst, in u.s. history. and that is of course the larry nassar story and the hundreds of gymnasts and michigan state athletes who were sexually assaulted, the horrors of larry nassar over many, many years in michigan state, for up to two decades, turned a blind eye to that absolutely disgusting and horrible scandal. so, the fact that michigan state has acted quicker than that is a good thing. although it would be hard to act any slower than what michigan state did while many, many children were being raped and sexually assaulted by the team doctor. so, it's good that they have acted now and they have suspended tucker. but one wonders what would have happened if my colleague, kennedy jakobi, had not reported the story that he did and broken that news. would michigan state have allowed tucker to keep coaching? and why didn't they suspend him sooner when they started to get the information, which the athletic director said he knew in december? lots of questions still for michigan state and its leadership. >> and we will continue to follow this story. dawn riddell, christine brennan, thank you. and still ahead, china is buying american farms left and right, and lawmakers are alarmed. why the food on your table is just one of their concerns. >> this is something we've kind of woken up to and thought, we should do something. muscle, bone, and heart health. yaaay! 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